TheChamp531

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I'm assuming the Turbo gives bigger gains. Supercharger is more reliable and doesn't cost as much though in the long run. Auto wins against Manual with turbocharger.

louie7691

i would definetly do that...i want a turbo fro my car so badd....let me knww

quad150db

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Here are a few pics from Moroso yesterday of the turbo TL... I wish me or trew had more information to share with you about it but couldnt get anything out of the guy about tuning. He did drive the car around at the show and did drive it from his house to the show which is about 65-70 miles each way.

He said to look out on thursday for an real update with more information I hope he goes into detail about tuning as well as the power output...

NAiL05

Autos are great for turbos. The only problem is how much power can the auto hold before giving out. I say this since honda autos arent the strongest compared to other companies like the TH350/400's that people use if not the 4l60's. MT transmissions nowadays have systems to help it build boost off the line. Time is still lost between shifts but there is full throttle shifting. I had that software on my old h22 accord to where i could keep the throttle pinned all the time and shift without letting off. The only time lost was clutching in. I only did it a few times as I was worried about it not working but when it did it was pretty crazy because it throws your senses off. But after you get off the line depending on software you can set antilag and so on to keep the boost up. Its kinda like the systems used in WRC cars. Only problem with that setup it kinda eats up turboes lol.

gerzand

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holy shit thats hot!

MobTownTL

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hopefully we get a dyno and price thursday if things are actually functional xP

04accordcpe

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^nice, BUT will that intercooler get enough air going through it due to the design on the oem bumper?? hmmm.. =l

TL|GTX

lol lets hope this thing makes more then 300hp, and lasts

I hate cars

Not only that, I hope it doesn't become a restriction being that it's a dual pass. I wonder why they didn't choose one with the tanks on the top and bottom.

Elegant TYPE S

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Where did they relocate the battery?

quad150db

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Battery was relocated in the trunk.

bzyrice

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ooh im going to that shop on friday.. hope that car is there so I can see it in person!!

NedShneebly

possible sleeper [stock wheels]...

jisleyjr

I am curious to see how the rear exhaust is routed to the turbo. Looks like it has to go around the passenger side because i didn't see it coming around the drivers side.

stillhere153

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don't hit nothing or bumper will go bye bye without the support

bzyrice

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Since I am going on Friday, does anyone have a list of questions they want me to ask about the kit? Please give me a list of questions! I have a few in mind already, like tuning blah blah blah.. but just in case let me know if there is anything specific you guys want me to ask!

Trew

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I just found out this guy lives like 5 minutes away from me. Meesa thinks meesa pay him visit

dechlin

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wheres the air filter gonna go?

Elegant TYPE S

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I know he's only at 1psi but I wonder if he still has to give it warm up and cool down time before taking the car on the road and before turning the car off.

bzyrice

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Maybe a mesh grill over the turbo inlet?

AcuraVic

Thanks...
1. Is that the stock radiator ?
2. Does the intercooler cause a noticible increase in engine temp seeing its blocking 75% of the radiator.
3. Does the intercooler pipes get hot ? And if so, will they get hot enough to melt the bumper cover?
4. How is the traction control handling the added HP at hard takeoff ?

MobTownTL

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+ grandpa colored paint xP

Rick_TL-S

Seeing the pictures, what exactly has he hooked up to the intake?

And like others, I too, am wondering about the bumper & where the exhaust has been modified.

I hate cars

Still not a bad idea since it's the exhaust side you're trying to cool off. Some easy driving a mile or so before you get to your destination is all it takes. No reason to sit there idling even if it's running higher boost.

I hate cars

It goes turbo to intercooler, intercooler to throttlebody.

I hate cars

I can tell you from experience that the radiator is now almost 100% fan cooled instead of ram air from the car moving. The stock fans better be pretty bad ass or a cooling system upgrade will be needed.

At less than 5 psi on a turbo car the intercooler is barely needed. The pipes should remain pretty cool. FWIW, turbo discharge temps on mine at 20psi are only 170 degrees before the intercooler. I don't think there will be any problems on this car with melting the bumper.

NBPacuraTL

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That's exactly what I stated before but no way it would go around the passenger side of the motor. Not enough space (picturing an image in my head).

And I think you can fit a small filter on the turbo.

Elegant TYPE S

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Lets start the debate.. on Supercharger vs. Turbocharger for a Daily Driver... in terms, cost, RELIABILITY and performance..LoL.. I know this one is going to end up creating controversy.

From what I can tell, supercharger is much easier to maintain and more reliable, but a turbo is easier on the engine and costs less.

This thread is very informative.. lets keep it going.

bzyrice

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OK I will add this to the list of questions I have!

I did give him a call about an hour ago.. His name is Rodney and the kit already has 400 miles on it.. He told me that like any new turbo kit he is still working out the kinks. But, he said by Thursday he would give an update good or bad. He also said that the piping would be made by P2R. So I will be meeting him there on Friday if he has time.

NVA-AV6

Another option that is now avalible to us is to replace the rack with one rom a 09+TL ($460 new from Acura), the rack in the 4th gen is electric assist like the S2K so you can then remove the hydraulic power steering system and flip the intake and runners and use a single pass IC. The only trick to this is to re-route the EGR passage from the front head to near the throttle body using something like SS tubing and fittings.

I hate cars

If anything the turbo is more reliable. They have been in use in the diesel industry and decades and regularly go 500,000+ miles. The turbo's journal bearings and the new ball bearing units have only two wear points, the journal/ball bearing and the thrust bearing. It's very, very rare to wear a turbo out.

A supercharger has vanes that rub, screws that rub, or gear drives to wear depending on the type of supercharger. I wouldn't want to say one is more reliable than the other, it's really too close to say but I would have to go with the turbo.

The turbo is easier on the engine at the same power level. The engine has to make more hp with the supercharger just to show the same power at the wheels since the superchager takes power to run. There's also no oil to change. Really, a turbo requires no maintenence.

Performance wise the turbo is just in another league. Boost will come in very low in the rpm range and hold until redline. The discharge temps are usually much lower than a comprable supercharger.

For daily drivability, it's preference. A large single sometimes takes a little getting used to. It generally will have a more on/off feeling. Twins will be more linear but won't spool as fast. If someone stole my car and decided to drive it hard it would be wrecked quickly. If I floor it for the first 1/2 second it feels just average. Then all hell breaks loose and you're sideways. You get used to it and I can make it feel completely linear by modulating the gas.

A roots blower will usually have full boost instantly low in the rpm range but may run out of breath up top. I'm not sure why the supercharged TLs don't hit full boost instantly, it has to be with the programming and done on purpose.

A centrifugal blower (belt driven turbo) won't hit full boost until redline. Boost builds with rpms.

Superchargers are great and have their place, don't get me wrong, but if you're going for all out power a turbo will put it to shame.

TheChamp531

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I will not buy this turbo until a user from this forum or someone else uses this for at least 6 months with no problems. At least if this turbo works out, I'm not sure of it in the long run. The supercharger has lasted a long time for some member cars. I cannot risk two engines blown in less than a year!

I hate cars, Just say I had a 10k mile TL and I got a reliable and working turbocharger for our cars. Does it necessarily decrease the life of the engine or any working parts? What do you have to do to maintain the car every day, weeks, months and/or years. Will this substantially decrease the life of the engine? (Just say our engines should last too 200k would it decrease the life to 125k or 150k?)

I hate cars

Anytime you increase the power, life will be reduced. Tuning is the key here and if you keep it out of detonation, the engine should still outlast the rest of the car. Simple precautions such as driving easy for the last mile before you turn the engine off, runninng a high quality 30wt oil, and reducing your OCI to 5,000 miles regardless of what the OLM tells you should be good.

If it's driven somewhat normal and tuned well the difference in life probably won't be measurable.

Even though it's not a TL, my GN is pusing 2.5 times it's stock power on stock parts. I swapped the heads a couple months ago and at 30K miles on it with most of them very hard miles, the cylinders looked brand new.

Either way, at the same power level the engine will last longer with a turbo.

MobTownTL

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not trying to put a damper on things but lets just pray that a working turbo can be made for a decent price and produced more than once before we go saying which is better on the TL, nawmeen? we can all throw out theories on what the turbo will/should do on the TL but since no one has had one successfully working and shared their results on here, i guess all we can do is wait =]

i say lets not dispute on which one is better right now but throw in ideas on how to make each one, mainly turbos in this thread/case, a better working system.

like my football coach use to tell me, "don't start running with the ball until your holding it in your hands."

I hate cars

I can say with confidence which will be better because it's been done so many times on so many cars. There are certain facts that aren't TL specific but are turbo/supercharger specific that don't change. I will say with confidence the turbo even at the same boost will make more power and will start making power at a lower rpm.

MobTownTL

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how bout a "I Hate Cars" Turbo tuned ecu ahem ahem LOL

I hate cars

Never happen lol. I've only done stand alones in the past 10 years. The factory stuff isn't safe enough at the hp level I'm at. Unfortunately everything is tied into the factory ecm on the TL, otherwise this would've been solved many years ago.

Edit- in other words I don't know enough about the TL's ecm to do it.

Elegant TYPE S

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Wait what.. did u just say you don't know something?!? Haha..

sunny201

I think the world just stopped spinning

Rick_TL-S

Forgive my stupidity, but what happens if the last mile isn't taken easy, and you turn the car off? What exactly would cause the turbo to wear itself or the car?