Turbo Kit for Acura TL '04-'08
#246
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I like the single GT35r that's being proposed. Great turbo with good spool and power potential on a 3.2L. I love the feel of a large single much better than twins.
As for the TL specific engine management, I don't pay attention. You have to be able to retard timing, enrich the mixture, supply additional fuel for the 50% more hp you'll be making, pull back the pulsewidth on the large injectors for normal driving, etc. Until there's something that can do all of that I have no interest in learning TL specific units. I'm not being negative but I usually go off the deep end in my research and I don't have the energy.
It's too bad these cars didn't come with a mass air setup like most cars instead of this speed density system. Tuning even without cracking the ECM would be 10X easier. Question, has Honda used a mass air setup on anything?
My temporary fix is to run stock management with a boost sensitive progressive methanol kit. It takes care of additional fuel, enrichment, don't have to retard timing due to the additional octane, etc. It's not the proper way but it's better than what's currently out there. By not proper I'm talking about if it fails, the car leans out big time and engine damage can result if you don't back out of the gas quick enough.
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god i really hope someone isn't bsing and we finally get a turbooooo x_X then i can go shit all over my friend's srt and his piece of shit interior =]
#251
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I'll preface this by saying I have very little experience with turbos.
But, lag? I mean, your manual shifts are always going to be longer than autos, except for some really skilled individuals. Keeping the power in the band should decrease dropoff from the turbo.
But I could be totally wrong.
But, lag? I mean, your manual shifts are always going to be longer than autos, except for some really skilled individuals. Keeping the power in the band should decrease dropoff from the turbo.
But I could be totally wrong.
#255
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You can build boost at the starting line. One foot on the brake, one on the gas and you can have as much boost as you want before the car even moves. I start off the line with 15psi before the car moves an inch.
Then there's the shifts. Even if you're a very fast shifter, you're letting off the gas and pushing the clutch in to shift. Turbos work based on load and with the clutch disengaged and no throttle, you lose boost on the shifts. With an auto, boost holds steady for the whole run.
Then there's the shifts. Even if you're a very fast shifter, you're letting off the gas and pushing the clutch in to shift. Turbos work based on load and with the clutch disengaged and no throttle, you lose boost on the shifts. With an auto, boost holds steady for the whole run.
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[QUOTE=I hate cars;10844248]You can build boost at the starting line. One foot on the brake, one on the gas and you can have as much boost as you want before the car even moves. I start off the line with 15psi before the car moves an inch.QUOTE]
so you keep the boost up by keeping a steady rev while holding onto the brakes? does that damage the car? o_O and can't mt guys do that too? not too familiar with MT racing but i mean shift into first and keep revs high?
so you keep the boost up by keeping a steady rev while holding onto the brakes? does that damage the car? o_O and can't mt guys do that too? not too familiar with MT racing but i mean shift into first and keep revs high?
#258
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Nah, it's got to have a load on the engine. RPMs alone won't build boost.
You can build boost at the starting line. One foot on the brake, one on the gas and you can have as much boost as you want before the car even moves. I start off the line with 15psi before the car moves an inch.QUOTE]
so you keep the boost up by keeping a steady rev while holding onto the brakes? does that damage the car? o_O and can't mt guys do that too? not too familiar with MT racing but i mean shift into first and keep revs high?
so you keep the boost up by keeping a steady rev while holding onto the brakes? does that damage the car? o_O and can't mt guys do that too? not too familiar with MT racing but i mean shift into first and keep revs high?
Nah, it's got to have a load on the engine. RPMs alone won't build boost.
#259
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I'll preface this by saying I have very little experience with turbos.
But, lag? I mean, your manual shifts are always going to be longer than autos, except for some really skilled individuals. Keeping the power in the band should decrease dropoff from the turbo.
But I could be totally wrong.
But, lag? I mean, your manual shifts are always going to be longer than autos, except for some really skilled individuals. Keeping the power in the band should decrease dropoff from the turbo.
But I could be totally wrong.
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#266
Ak Ting Up
Good Luck to all the Turbo TL Tuners !!!
Good Luck and Thanks for Trying!!
I'm excited by your progress and would love my TL to be as fast as she looks.
Also, anyone reading this thread, do youself a favor and read all 7 pages (so far, 7). Most questions and comments have been addressed inteligently and accurately.
I'm excited by your progress and would love my TL to be as fast as she looks.
Also, anyone reading this thread, do youself a favor and read all 7 pages (so far, 7). Most questions and comments have been addressed inteligently and accurately.
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#267
Benelba, I'm also in the Atlanta area and interested in the turbo kit, but won't pull the trigger until an ECU tune is tested and proven. Hondata wasn't able/interested in getting a tune for the supercharger , so not going that route. If your contact gets this kit developed, I'm sure he'll be bringing in some great business. Thanks for the updates dude.
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Drifting
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I was fortunate enough to see this car in person today. quad150db and I went up to the Palm Beach track today and this TL was there.
Aesthetically, it looked very nice. Even the intercooler fit snugly between the bumper and the radiator. Didn't look rigged or anything. I asked the driver if he drove it there and he said yes, so I'm assuming it's functional. We didn't get to hear it though. He wouldn't answer any of my questions. I'm guessing P2R has him on a tight leash
He said to check the www.jandrnextlevelperformance.com website on Thursday for a write-up.
Brad has pics. I took some crappy iPhone pics but they're not worth posting. Maybe he'll post them when he gets home.
Aesthetically, it looked very nice. Even the intercooler fit snugly between the bumper and the radiator. Didn't look rigged or anything. I asked the driver if he drove it there and he said yes, so I'm assuming it's functional. We didn't get to hear it though. He wouldn't answer any of my questions. I'm guessing P2R has him on a tight leash
He said to check the www.jandrnextlevelperformance.com website on Thursday for a write-up.
Brad has pics. I took some crappy iPhone pics but they're not worth posting. Maybe he'll post them when he gets home.
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I was fortunate enough to see this car in person today. quad150db and I went up to the Palm Beach track today and this TL was there.
Aesthetically, it looked very nice. Even the intercooler fit snugly between the bumper and the radiator. Didn't look rigged or anything. I asked the driver if he drove it there and he said yes, so I'm assuming it's functional. We didn't get to hear it though. He wouldn't answer any of my questions. I'm guessing P2R has him on a tight leash
He said to check the www.jandrnextlevelperformance.com website on Thursday for a write-up.
Brad has pics. I took some crappy iPhone pics but they're not worth posting. Maybe he'll post them when he gets home.
Aesthetically, it looked very nice. Even the intercooler fit snugly between the bumper and the radiator. Didn't look rigged or anything. I asked the driver if he drove it there and he said yes, so I'm assuming it's functional. We didn't get to hear it though. He wouldn't answer any of my questions. I'm guessing P2R has him on a tight leash
He said to check the www.jandrnextlevelperformance.com website on Thursday for a write-up.
Brad has pics. I took some crappy iPhone pics but they're not worth posting. Maybe he'll post them when he gets home.
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Being so secretive about the set up makes me more skeptal that the set up is jimmy riged and the guy doesn't have it running right.
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I am not sure what he could reveal from answering questions or allowing you to hear it run. The only real question anyone really has is how to tune it.
Being so secretive about the set up makes me more skeptal that the set up is jimmy riged and the guy doesn't have it running right.
Being so secretive about the set up makes me more skeptal that the set up is jimmy riged and the guy doesn't have it running right.
Then again he might not have it tuned lmao
#273
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Oh, and I have friends running 350 shots on stock 5.0 Mustangs running bottom 11s/high 10s with only exhaust. They typically last a few months lol.
On guy literally leaves the line on the 100 shot first stage and then hits the 250 second stage in second gear.
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I was fortunate enough to see this car in person today. quad150db and I went up to the Palm Beach track today and this TL was there.
Aesthetically, it looked very nice. Even the intercooler fit snugly between the bumper and the radiator. Didn't look rigged or anything. I asked the driver if he drove it there and he said yes, so I'm assuming it's functional. We didn't get to hear it though. He wouldn't answer any of my questions. I'm guessing P2R has him on a tight leash
He said to check the www.jandrnextlevelperformance.com website on Thursday for a write-up.
Brad has pics. I took some crappy iPhone pics but they're not worth posting. Maybe he'll post them when he gets home.
Aesthetically, it looked very nice. Even the intercooler fit snugly between the bumper and the radiator. Didn't look rigged or anything. I asked the driver if he drove it there and he said yes, so I'm assuming it's functional. We didn't get to hear it though. He wouldn't answer any of my questions. I'm guessing P2R has him on a tight leash
He said to check the www.jandrnextlevelperformance.com website on Thursday for a write-up.
Brad has pics. I took some crappy iPhone pics but they're not worth posting. Maybe he'll post them when he gets home.
#276
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Ok I have a basic question.. and maybe someone can clarify this for me. I understand most of this through but there is one concept that I do not get. I get that Methanol increasing the octane of normal fuel upward of maybe 15 points... but what I do not get is how? Just by mixing methanol and water and dumping that into our fuels we get more octane? I do not understand why in that case that normally aspirated cars can't install a meth injection kit and instantly improve HP?
Or is it cuz if we do that, the ECU compensates and dumps less fuel?
Or is it cuz if we do that, the ECU compensates and dumps less fuel?
#277
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Methanol is 130 octane. You can't mix it with gasoline, which would be nice, so you inject it into the airstream.
So one way it helps is by the octane alone.
The other way is on a forced induction car, air inlet temps can easily hit 250 degrees. When the meth is injected into the airstream if evaporates nearly instantly and has a very noticable cooling effect, it knocks my inlet temps down by over 80 degrees.
It can also be used as a supplimental fuel instead of upgrading injectors.
The reason it doesn't help a NA car much is air inlet temps are much lower and once you have enough octane to suppress pinging, more octane is of no benefit.
On turbo cars where the boost is easily adjusted, methanol is a huge benefit. I can run roughly 15psi on 91 octane but on methanol I can run upwards of 29psi without detonation. It really saves money on $10+/gallon 116 octane leaded race gas.
I don't like the water/meth mixes. Water suppresses detonation ok but not as well as meth. Since water doesn't burn, you can easily lose power by injecting too much even as a mix. Also, water works it's magic in the combustion chamber but there's very little cooling of the inlet air with water since it doesn't evaporate as quickly as meth.
So one way it helps is by the octane alone.
The other way is on a forced induction car, air inlet temps can easily hit 250 degrees. When the meth is injected into the airstream if evaporates nearly instantly and has a very noticable cooling effect, it knocks my inlet temps down by over 80 degrees.
It can also be used as a supplimental fuel instead of upgrading injectors.
The reason it doesn't help a NA car much is air inlet temps are much lower and once you have enough octane to suppress pinging, more octane is of no benefit.
On turbo cars where the boost is easily adjusted, methanol is a huge benefit. I can run roughly 15psi on 91 octane but on methanol I can run upwards of 29psi without detonation. It really saves money on $10+/gallon 116 octane leaded race gas.
I don't like the water/meth mixes. Water suppresses detonation ok but not as well as meth. Since water doesn't burn, you can easily lose power by injecting too much even as a mix. Also, water works it's magic in the combustion chamber but there's very little cooling of the inlet air with water since it doesn't evaporate as quickly as meth.
#278
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80 Degrees! Wow... ok.. so I mean theoretically speaking if you do this on a NA vehicle I know you won't increase power but you can practically create frost in there.. LoL.
So the added benefits aren't just via octane boost but also has to do with air temps, obviously colder air = more 02 delivery for combustion.
So why aren't the SC guys running meth kits so that they can virtually get rid of all detonation or is there some angle of disadvantage that is not so intuitive?
So the added benefits aren't just via octane boost but also has to do with air temps, obviously colder air = more 02 delivery for combustion.
So why aren't the SC guys running meth kits so that they can virtually get rid of all detonation or is there some angle of disadvantage that is not so intuitive?
#279
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Methanol is 130 octane. You can't mix it with gasoline, which would be nice, so you inject it into the airstream.
So one way it helps is by the octane alone.
The other way is on a forced induction car, air inlet temps can easily hit 250 degrees. When the meth is injected into the airstream if evaporates nearly instantly and has a very noticable cooling effect, it knocks my inlet temps down by over 80 degrees.
It can also be used as a supplimental fuel instead of upgrading injectors.
The reason it doesn't help a NA car much is air inlet temps are much lower and once you have enough octane to suppress pinging, more octane is of no benefit.
On turbo cars where the boost is easily adjusted, methanol is a huge benefit. I can run roughly 15psi on 91 octane but on methanol I can run upwards of 29psi without detonation. It really saves money on $10+/gallon 116 octane leaded race gas.
I don't like the water/meth mixes. Water suppresses detonation ok but not as well as meth. Since water doesn't burn, you can easily lose power by injecting too much even as a mix. Also, water works it's magic in the combustion chamber but there's very little cooling of the inlet air with water since it doesn't evaporate as quickly as meth.
So one way it helps is by the octane alone.
The other way is on a forced induction car, air inlet temps can easily hit 250 degrees. When the meth is injected into the airstream if evaporates nearly instantly and has a very noticable cooling effect, it knocks my inlet temps down by over 80 degrees.
It can also be used as a supplimental fuel instead of upgrading injectors.
The reason it doesn't help a NA car much is air inlet temps are much lower and once you have enough octane to suppress pinging, more octane is of no benefit.
On turbo cars where the boost is easily adjusted, methanol is a huge benefit. I can run roughly 15psi on 91 octane but on methanol I can run upwards of 29psi without detonation. It really saves money on $10+/gallon 116 octane leaded race gas.
I don't like the water/meth mixes. Water suppresses detonation ok but not as well as meth. Since water doesn't burn, you can easily lose power by injecting too much even as a mix. Also, water works it's magic in the combustion chamber but there's very little cooling of the inlet air with water since it doesn't evaporate as quickly as meth.