04accordcpe

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thanks paul. my inbox is all F'd up here. ill pm you over at V 6 p about sending out the harness

Hi speed

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What is involved in re-mapping the O2 sensors and are you willing to do another harness? It would be nice to get rid of the Comptech black box and tune this thing.

ussi

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Let me know if you make progress on this.

I built a relay bc I was having vtec issues after my 3.5 swap but it in only after I had already got the FI/C tuned. I'll prlly have to go back to churches also. I also have a CEL for the rear cat secondary O2 sensor.

TL|GTX

Unless, ppl are telling the truth about actual tunning, and have a reliable car, this is still not worth it.

TheChamp531

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I hate cars, give me your car wisdom. Tell me how he is doing this, what about Automatic?!

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Automatics and turbos go together very well. I would bet money that an auto turbo TL will run the 1/4 quicker than a manual.

I like the single GT35r that's being proposed. Great turbo with good spool and power potential on a 3.2L. I love the feel of a large single much better than twins.

As for the TL specific engine management, I don't pay attention. You have to be able to retard timing, enrich the mixture, supply additional fuel for the 50% more hp you'll be making, pull back the pulsewidth on the large injectors for normal driving, etc. Until there's something that can do all of that I have no interest in learning TL specific units. I'm not being negative but I usually go off the deep end in my research and I don't have the energy.

It's too bad these cars didn't come with a mass air setup like most cars instead of this speed density system. Tuning even without cracking the ECM would be 10X easier. Question, has Honda used a mass air setup on anything?

My temporary fix is to run stock management with a boost sensitive progressive methanol kit. It takes care of additional fuel, enrichment, don't have to retard timing due to the additional octane, etc. It's not the proper way but it's better than what's currently out there. By not proper I'm talking about if it fails, the car leans out big time and engine damage can result if you don't back out of the gas quick enough.

MobTownTL

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finally some reason enough for me to like my 5at. LOL x_X

god i really hope someone isn't bsing and we finally get a turbooooo x_X then i can go shit all over my friend's srt and his piece of shit interior =]

Meek32v6

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Good progress - hoping to see a final result. ( << me trying not to be excited )

Elegant TYPE S

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How would a tubo'd auto compare to a SC'd manual?

MobTownTL

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^^^ +1

also what makes auto so good for turbos anyways?

CocheseUGA

I'll preface this by saying I have very little experience with turbos.

But, lag? I mean, your manual shifts are always going to be longer than autos, except for some really skilled individuals. Keeping the power in the band should decrease dropoff from the turbo.

But I could be totally wrong.

stillhere153

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... Also an auto gives you consistent times... For Manual you have to factor in the driver as a variable...

ludachrisvt

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i agree

tldrummer89

Hopefully it works, its about time we saw a turbo TL the pics look hot

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You can build boost at the starting line. One foot on the brake, one on the gas and you can have as much boost as you want before the car even moves. I start off the line with 15psi before the car moves an inch.

Then there's the shifts. Even if you're a very fast shifter, you're letting off the gas and pushing the clutch in to shift. Turbos work based on load and with the clutch disengaged and no throttle, you lose boost on the shifts. With an auto, boost holds steady for the whole run.

MobTownTL

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[QUOTE=I hate cars;10844248]You can build boost at the starting line. One foot on the brake, one on the gas and you can have as much boost as you want before the car even moves. I start off the line with 15psi before the car moves an inch.QUOTE]

so you keep the boost up by keeping a steady rev while holding onto the brakes? does that damage the car? o_O and can't mt guys do that too? not too familiar with MT racing but i mean shift into first and keep revs high?

TL|GTX

Auto's dont lose as much psi when u have to shift.

I hate cars

[quote=MobTownTL;10844563]
Nah, it's got to have a load on the engine. RPMs alone won't build boost.

anx1300c

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In a BMW maybe, but not a TL. My grandmother could shift a 6MT TL quicker than a 5AT shifts itself.

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Reaction wise yes. The auto TL is super slow. Still, there's a continuous load on the engine which is what keeps the boost rock steady during a shift.

bukjoe15

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videos please

TLAdvanced

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very interesting. I hope this works and they can figure out the ECU for the 3.5L...

BLACKURA_NY

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whats good with that boosted TL on J&Rperformance..... is that the OP's car???

bzyrice

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Im going to be in the area of that shop the end of this week.. I am going to try and go there... If I get any info I will post it here..

dan.....k

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No, I think the OP said that was kit #2. He said something about his turbo being underneath the car or something like that.

Banelba, since I'm local, can I check this thing out when your done?

AcuraVic

Good Luck and Thanks for Trying!!

I'm excited by your progress and would love my TL to be as fast as she looks.

Also, anyone reading this thread, do youself a favor and read all 7 pages (so far, 7). Most questions and comments have been addressed inteligently and accurately.

04_NBP

Benelba, I'm also in the Atlanta area and interested in the turbo kit, but won't pull the trigger until an ECU tune is tested and proven. Hondata wasn't able/interested in getting a tune for the supercharger , so not going that route. If your contact gets this kit developed, I'm sure he'll be bringing in some great business. Thanks for the updates dude.

Trew

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I was fortunate enough to see this car in person today. quad150db and I went up to the Palm Beach track today and this TL was there.

Aesthetically, it looked very nice. Even the intercooler fit snugly between the bumper and the radiator. Didn't look rigged or anything. I asked the driver if he drove it there and he said yes, so I'm assuming it's functional. We didn't get to hear it though. He wouldn't answer any of my questions. I'm guessing P2R has him on a tight leash

He said to check the www.jandrnextlevelperformance.com website on Thursday for a write-up.

Brad has pics. I took some crappy iPhone pics but they're not worth posting. Maybe he'll post them when he gets home.

TL|GTX

Anythings right now is better then nothing. Plz post lol

ludachrisvt

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Sweet!

Hi speed

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I am not sure what he could reveal from answering questions or allowing you to hear it run. The only real question anyone really has is how to tune it.

Being so secretive about the set up makes me more skeptal that the set up is jimmy riged and the guy doesn't have it running right.

sunny201

Another thing is that maybe he didnt know anything about it, as in maybe he didnt do it himself and just paid somebody to have it done. So he might not have known how they tuned it. I know alot of people who dont know how anything is done to a car(modification wise), they just have the money and get it done at a local shop.

Then again he might not have it tuned lmao

I hate cars

That's the gray area. The STS kit will make just as much power as a "normal" turbo kit. The problem comes when you go with a turbo large enough for 500whp, the STS will be a laggy SOB while a kit with the turbo in the engine bay should have decent spool.

Oh, and I have friends running 350 shots on stock 5.0 Mustangs running bottom 11s/high 10s with only exhaust. They typically last a few months lol.

On guy literally leaves the line on the 100 shot first stage and then hits the 250 second stage in second gear.

TLAdvanced

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So, this shop is in south Florida? ROAD TRIP!!

MobTownTL

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was it just sitting there o_O did you get to see the car run or at least crank? lol did he do anything at the track with it?

Elegant TYPE S

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Ok I have a basic question.. and maybe someone can clarify this for me. I understand most of this through but there is one concept that I do not get. I get that Methanol increasing the octane of normal fuel upward of maybe 15 points... but what I do not get is how? Just by mixing methanol and water and dumping that into our fuels we get more octane? I do not understand why in that case that normally aspirated cars can't install a meth injection kit and instantly improve HP?

Or is it cuz if we do that, the ECU compensates and dumps less fuel?

I hate cars

Methanol is 130 octane. You can't mix it with gasoline, which would be nice, so you inject it into the airstream.

So one way it helps is by the octane alone.

The other way is on a forced induction car, air inlet temps can easily hit 250 degrees. When the meth is injected into the airstream if evaporates nearly instantly and has a very noticable cooling effect, it knocks my inlet temps down by over 80 degrees.

It can also be used as a supplimental fuel instead of upgrading injectors.

The reason it doesn't help a NA car much is air inlet temps are much lower and once you have enough octane to suppress pinging, more octane is of no benefit.

On turbo cars where the boost is easily adjusted, methanol is a huge benefit. I can run roughly 15psi on 91 octane but on methanol I can run upwards of 29psi without detonation. It really saves money on $10+/gallon 116 octane leaded race gas.

I don't like the water/meth mixes. Water suppresses detonation ok but not as well as meth. Since water doesn't burn, you can easily lose power by injecting too much even as a mix. Also, water works it's magic in the combustion chamber but there's very little cooling of the inlet air with water since it doesn't evaporate as quickly as meth.

Elegant TYPE S

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80 Degrees! Wow... ok.. so I mean theoretically speaking if you do this on a NA vehicle I know you won't increase power but you can practically create frost in there.. LoL.

So the added benefits aren't just via octane boost but also has to do with air temps, obviously colder air = more 02 delivery for combustion.

So why aren't the SC guys running meth kits so that they can virtually get rid of all detonation or is there some angle of disadvantage that is not so intuitive?

CJ0920

What about with nitrous applications? Can Meth and Nitrous be used at the same time? Or will it be too much for our TL's?

salu8819

HOLY SHIT!!! cant believe they made a turbo kit for the TL....... what will be faster, the CT supercharger or the R&D turbo????? on a manual of course