HonData Flash Pro for '07-'08 Base TL and '07-'08 TLS
12-19-2012, 08:21 PM
#121
At guys are screwed yet again, the 07-08 AT has 4 shift control solinoids vs the 3 the 7th gen and 3rd gen TL have. To make matters worse you can't just throw the newer AT in , the engine bell housing pattern is very different so you would also need the 07-08 engine to go with it.
But MT looks pretty damn doable now that I have looked at the diagrams and researched the ther subsystems.
But MT looks pretty damn doable now that I have looked at the diagrams and researched the ther subsystems.
12-19-2012, 08:25 PM
#122
At guys are screwed yet again, the 07-08 AT has 4 shift control solinoids vs the 3 the 7th gen and 3rd gen TL have. To make matters worse you can't just throw the newer AT in , the engine bell housing pattern is very different so you would also need the 07-08 engine to go with it.
But MT looks pretty damn doable now that I have looked at the diagrams and researched the ther subsystems.
But MT looks pretty damn doable now that I have looked at the diagrams and researched the ther subsystems.
Thanks for the input Paul!
12-19-2012, 08:51 PM
#123
At guys are screwed yet again, the 07-08 AT has 4 shift control solinoids vs the 3 the 7th gen and 3rd gen TL have. To make matters worse you can't just throw the newer AT in , the engine bell housing pattern is very different so you would also need the 07-08 engine to go with it.
But MT looks pretty damn doable now that I have looked at the diagrams and researched the ther subsystems.
But MT looks pretty damn doable now that I have looked at the diagrams and researched the ther subsystems.
One pin, K-Line exists on the older but not on the newer that has something to do with the HDS.
I may just pick up a used 07 ECU and see if it works......
I also found a source for the ECU plugs. Ended up ordering the parts and was going to use the AEM harness to cut and pin into the plugs to eliminate splicing. Could be I won't need it.
I'm concerned about the VIN matching because the inspection here is strictly OBDII scanning and the fact that the licensing from Hondata is based on that value.
Last edited by KN_TL; 12-19-2012 at 08:55 PM.
12-19-2012, 10:18 PM
#124
I just did a quick comparison of the 06-6MT to the 07 ECU pinouts and at first glance looks like it is one for one compatible. As Paul says, there are A/T pins that aren't matching up.
One pin, K-Line exists on the older but not on the newer that has something to do with the HDS.
I may just pick up a used 07 ECU and see if it works......
I also found a source for the ECU plugs. Ended up ordering the parts and was going to use the AEM harness to cut and pin into the plugs to eliminate splicing. Could be I won't need it.
I'm concerned about the VIN matching because the inspection here is strictly OBDII scanning and the fact that the licensing from Hondata is based on that value.
One pin, K-Line exists on the older but not on the newer that has something to do with the HDS.
I may just pick up a used 07 ECU and see if it works......
I also found a source for the ECU plugs. Ended up ordering the parts and was going to use the AEM harness to cut and pin into the plugs to eliminate splicing. Could be I won't need it.
I'm concerned about the VIN matching because the inspection here is strictly OBDII scanning and the fact that the licensing from Hondata is based on that value.
Last edited by Euro-R_Spec_TSX; 12-19-2012 at 10:20 PM.
12-19-2012, 10:43 PM
#125
I like turtles
So there will be base maps to use out of the box right? For people who aren't going to dyno tune their cars. Also, how much power should one expect with little to no bolt on mods? I know there's a video of the tsx stock vs hondata, and it got walked on.would the same go for the TL-S?
12-19-2012, 11:38 PM
#126
6mt swapped..smart
Does anyone know if this can be used on a 6mt cl-s? Or are the ecus totally diff from the 3gs and we'd have to look into swapping ecus if that would even work?
12-19-2012, 11:48 PM
#127
Suzuka Master
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While I certainly understand the volatility of re-writing any type of software on any type of electronic equipment as well as a car's ecu when it comes to power outages, and the obvious increased risk the longer the re-writing takes, I still don't understand why it's such a taboo subject with Hondata and ISO-9141. I mean, Subaru used it in the WRX/STI right through 2006 and I believe Mitsu used it through the EVO 8 or 9, and yet Cobb, as well as others has tunes galore for them. I bet 65-75% of all mid 2000's EVO's and WRX/STI's are tuned with something and you don't hear about them locking up ECU's.
I dunno, I think most of us are pretty big boys, understand the associated risk and would be willing to accept full responsibility if something goes wrong. I'm sure a used ecu from a wrecked '04-06 TL could be had for less than $250 or so. Even a new one can be had for low $400's, except the '04, which is upper $500's for some reason.
I dunno, I think most of us are pretty big boys, understand the associated risk and would be willing to accept full responsibility if something goes wrong. I'm sure a used ecu from a wrecked '04-06 TL could be had for less than $250 or so. Even a new one can be had for low $400's, except the '04, which is upper $500's for some reason.
Last edited by anx1300c; 12-19-2012 at 11:52 PM.
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12-20-2012, 07:12 AM
#129
Burning Brakes
I'm sure Hondata is working on this matter as which easiest route and less money as can be. Give the credits to them as they will be putting $ on these tests for us. I'll be waiting patiently.
12-20-2012, 07:41 AM
#130
K-Line is for diagnostics. It runs to the OBD2 port. This is the communication line that is 10.4k bits per second. It can be left in place if the same pin location is blank on the 07-08 ECU. You would have to add the CANH and CANL lines to the OBD2 connector. Hondata sells the CAN line cable for the TSX and it would probably also work for the TL.
According to the ETM, K-line also exists on the 07 DLC.
I'll also need to move pin 14 to pin 1 (10.4k comm line) because pin 14 is also the F-CAN Low line.
Do you know if any of these lines need to be shielded?
If PAUL is chiming in then the minds are rolling for a solution!
12-20-2012, 11:23 AM
#132
Suzuka Master
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check out what it says for 06 6mt for ecu?????????????????
http://www.acuraoemparts.com/delray/...All&vinsrch=no
http://www.acuraoemparts.com/delray/...All&vinsrch=no
12-20-2012, 12:18 PM
#133
Make your DLC match the 07' DLC. The K-Line is also used for the ABS module, so leave it intact. No shielding is needed. The CAN lines are differential and usually twisted, but the short lengths involved here won't really affect the performance if it's not a twisted pair.
12-20-2012, 02:54 PM
#136
Suzuka Master
Is it to much to ask for Hondata to give us a little summary on the issues with the 04-06 so that we can understand exactly what we would have to overcome? After all its Christmas!
12-20-2012, 02:55 PM
#137
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so this will NOT work on automatics? or am i reading it wrong?
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12-20-2012, 03:28 PM
#139
The Track Terror
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12-20-2012, 06:39 PM
#143
As far as the VIN, if you do a replace ecm/pcm from the HDS is will put your vin into the ECU.
Last edited by NVA-AV6; 12-20-2012 at 06:42 PM. Reason: Dying keyboard
12-20-2012, 06:42 PM
#144
No, it will not work with the 04-06 tranny directly, the 07+ AT has a extra shift solinoid among other things, you would first have to swap to the 07+ AT and since the bell housing bolt patteren is very different you will also need a engine from a 07+
12-20-2012, 09:35 PM
#146
The 04/05 is all over the place.
As for the additional circuits, the 2nd ECT is at the bottom of the rad and switch detection is easy but I can't figure out where the engine pulse output is going. It's an output so it shouldn't cause me any problems as long as there isn't an input expecting a signal.
Last edited by KN_TL; 12-20-2012 at 09:38 PM.
12-20-2012, 09:53 PM
#148
Suzuka Master
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I've got an 06/6MT and the ECU pinout is pretty much one for one.
The 04/05 is all over the place.
As for the additional circuits, the 2nd ECT is at the bottom of the rad and switch detection is easy but I can't figure out where the engine pulse output is going. It's an output so it shouldn't cause me any problems as long as there isn't an input expecting a signal.
The 04/05 is all over the place.
As for the additional circuits, the 2nd ECT is at the bottom of the rad and switch detection is easy but I can't figure out where the engine pulse output is going. It's an output so it shouldn't cause me any problems as long as there isn't an input expecting a signal.
12-20-2012, 11:52 PM
#151
Suzuka Master
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Is that the part number for one of the Type-S 6MT ecu's? It's odd the two Type-S's are different, but the base shares the same number for '07 and 08.
12-21-2012, 07:32 AM
#153
The pinouts on the 07 and 08 are identical. Does anyone know what the differences are between the different part #'s? The Hondata site doesn't list the 08 Type-S ECU in their table. The part numbers below are from the acuraoemparts.com site.
2007 TYPE S-MT 37820-RDB-A04
2007 TYPE S-AT 37820-RDB-A55
2007 BASE 37820-RDA-A84
2008 BASE 37820-RDA-A84
2008 TYPE S-MT 37720-RWC-A01
2008 TYPE S-AT 37720-RWC-A01
2007-08 Acura TL Base
RDA-A82 through RDA-A84 FP-TL-US
2007-08 Acura TL Type-S
RDB-A02 through RDB-A63 FP-TL-US
2007 TYPE S-MT 37820-RDB-A04
2007 TYPE S-AT 37820-RDB-A55
2007 BASE 37820-RDA-A84
2008 BASE 37820-RDA-A84
2008 TYPE S-MT 37720-RWC-A01
2008 TYPE S-AT 37720-RWC-A01
2007-08 Acura TL Base
RDA-A82 through RDA-A84 FP-TL-US
2007-08 Acura TL Type-S
RDB-A02 through RDB-A63 FP-TL-US
12-21-2012, 07:36 AM
#154
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i have a 07 TL-S (AT) so i'll be sub'd to this thread.
12-21-2012, 07:50 AM
#155
All motor
Hopefully Hondata will clear some stuff up.
12-21-2012, 08:00 AM
#156
The pinouts on the 07 and 08 are identical. Does anyone know what the differences are between the different part #'s? The Hondata site doesn't list the 08 Type-S ECU in their table. The part numbers below are from the acuraoemparts.com site.
2007 TYPE S-MT 37820-RDB-A04
2007 TYPE S-AT 37820-RDB-A55
2007 BASE 37820-RDA-A84
2008 BASE 37820-RDA-A84
2008 TYPE S-MT 37720-RWC-A01
2008 TYPE S-AT 37720-RWC-A01
2007-08 Acura TL Base
RDA-A82 through RDA-A84 FP-TL-US
2007-08 Acura TL Type-S
RDB-A02 through RDB-A63 FP-TL-US
2007 TYPE S-MT 37820-RDB-A04
2007 TYPE S-AT 37820-RDB-A55
2007 BASE 37820-RDA-A84
2008 BASE 37820-RDA-A84
2008 TYPE S-MT 37720-RWC-A01
2008 TYPE S-AT 37720-RWC-A01
2007-08 Acura TL Base
RDA-A82 through RDA-A84 FP-TL-US
2007-08 Acura TL Type-S
RDB-A02 through RDB-A63 FP-TL-US
2008 TYPE S-MT 37820-RDB-A12
2008 TYPE S-AT 37820-RDB-A62
12-21-2012, 03:00 PM
#157
I've got an 06/6MT and the ECU pinout is pretty much one for one.
The 04/05 is all over the place.
As for the additional circuits, the 2nd ECT is at the bottom of the rad and switch detection is easy but I can't figure out where the engine pulse output is going. It's an output so it shouldn't cause me any problems as long as there isn't an input expecting a signal.
The 04/05 is all over the place.
As for the additional circuits, the 2nd ECT is at the bottom of the rad and switch detection is easy but I can't figure out where the engine pulse output is going. It's an output so it shouldn't cause me any problems as long as there isn't an input expecting a signal.
12-21-2012, 05:18 PM
#159
Big plans not enough $$$
I've been talking to my friend at a tuner shop here, he works a lot with Hondata, I'm gonna see what we can do to make this work, hopefully we can make something work so we dont get left out.
