HonData Flash Pro for '07-'08 Base TL and '07-'08 TLS
12-18-2012, 07:56 PM
#81
Big plans not enough $$$
12-18-2012, 07:58 PM
#82
All motor
Yes, the 04-06 TL ECU is indeed rewritable.
I would buy the TL ECU if I had to in order to get it workin on the Accord. I thought the 03-07 Accord V6 used CAN, but I could be wrong.
I would buy the TL ECU if I had to in order to get it workin on the Accord. I thought the 03-07 Accord V6 used CAN, but I could be wrong.
12-18-2012, 08:27 PM
#83
MANY OF US!!!!!!!!!
IM sure there are a lot more modded 04-06 TLs than there is 07-08. Remember by this time the 04-06 owners have had their car paid off n gotten time and money to modify their cars. While more than likely the 07-08 owners r just starting to buy parts n whatnot, or are a couple years away from paying it off, in example if u just bought a type s!
Come on HONDATA PLEASE WORK WITH US! WE HAVE BEEN WAITING 8 LONG ASS YEARS TO BE ABLE TO TUNE OUR CARS
IM sure there are a lot more modded 04-06 TLs than there is 07-08. Remember by this time the 04-06 owners have had their car paid off n gotten time and money to modify their cars. While more than likely the 07-08 owners r just starting to buy parts n whatnot, or are a couple years away from paying it off, in example if u just bought a type s!
Come on HONDATA PLEASE WORK WITH US! WE HAVE BEEN WAITING 8 LONG ASS YEARS TO BE ABLE TO TUNE OUR CARS
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12-18-2012, 08:45 PM
#85
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MANY OF US!!!!!!!!!
IM sure there are a lot more modded 04-06 TLs than there is 07-08. Remember by this time the 04-06 owners have had their car paid off n gotten time and money to modify their cars. While more than likely the 07-08 owners r just starting to buy parts n whatnot, or are a couple years away from paying it off, in example if u just bought a type s!
Come on HONDATA PLEASE WORK WITH US! WE HAVE BEEN WAITING 8 LONG ASS YEARS TO BE ABLE TO TUNE OUR CARS
IM sure there are a lot more modded 04-06 TLs than there is 07-08. Remember by this time the 04-06 owners have had their car paid off n gotten time and money to modify their cars. While more than likely the 07-08 owners r just starting to buy parts n whatnot, or are a couple years away from paying it off, in example if u just bought a type s!
Come on HONDATA PLEASE WORK WITH US! WE HAVE BEEN WAITING 8 LONG ASS YEARS TO BE ABLE TO TUNE OUR CARS
Not everyone sits on a car payment for 5 years.
The real reason there are more modded 04-06 TL's than there are 07-08 is because you can't get a manual transmission on the 07-08 base model, only Type-s offered that in those model years. Typically people who mod want a manual. Most people driving auto TL's aren't going to mod.
all that being said, I truly hope that 04-06 gets a Hondata tuning solution at some point, because I do believe there is a large pool of owners with 04-06 that would jump on the opportunity.
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12-18-2012, 08:55 PM
#86
It is highly unlikely that Hondata will change their FlashPro hardware to support the slower communication protocol. The 04' ~ 06' TL uses ISO9141 and runs at 10.4k bits/second (think dial-up speed). The 07' and later TLs as well as all other Honda/Acura vehicles use CAN. This runs at 500k bits/second (think broadband speed).
Using the older protocol, it could take 15 minutes to re-flash the ECU. That's like an eternity.
There is absolutely no reason that a later ECU couldn't be used in the 04' ~ 06' TLs. You would have to either re-pin the ECU connectors on the existing wire harness, or swap out the entire engine harness (2 pcs).
Using the older protocol, it could take 15 minutes to re-flash the ECU. That's like an eternity.
There is absolutely no reason that a later ECU couldn't be used in the 04' ~ 06' TLs. You would have to either re-pin the ECU connectors on the existing wire harness, or swap out the entire engine harness (2 pcs).
12-18-2012, 09:02 PM
#87
It is highly unlikely that Hondata will change their FlashPro hardware to support the slower communication protocol. The 04' ~ 06' TL uses ISO9141 and runs at 10.4k bits/second (think dial-up speed). The 07' and later TLs as well as all other Honda/Acura vehicles use CAN. This runs at 500k bits/second (think broadband speed).
Using the older protocol, it could take 15 minutes to re-flash the ECU. That's like an eternity.
There is absolutely no reason that a later ECU couldn't be used in the 04' ~ 06' TLs. You would have to either re-pin the ECU connectors on the existing wire harness, or swap out the entire engine harness (2 pcs).
Using the older protocol, it could take 15 minutes to re-flash the ECU. That's like an eternity.
There is absolutely no reason that a later ECU couldn't be used in the 04' ~ 06' TLs. You would have to either re-pin the ECU connectors on the existing wire harness, or swap out the entire engine harness (2 pcs).
12-18-2012, 09:05 PM
#88
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I fully expect to see some people start trying to do an ECU swap for their 04-06 TL's.
12-18-2012, 09:30 PM
#89
I bought my type-s on Dec 17th last year, almost exactly 1 year ago, and am paying it off tomorrow. I have 300 dollars left on the loan. I've also sunk about 6k into modding my car aesthetically and performance-wise over the past year that I've had it. Having an $800/mo payment doesn't stop me from modding my car.
Not everyone sits on a car payment for 5 years.
The real reason there are more modded 04-06 TL's than there are 07-08 is because you can't get a manual transmission on the 07-08 base model, only Type-s offered that in those model years. Typically people who mod want a manual. Most people driving auto TL's aren't going to mod.
all that being said, I truly hope that 04-06 gets a Hondata tuning solution at some point, because I do believe there is a large pool of owners with 04-06 that would jump on the opportunity.
Not everyone sits on a car payment for 5 years.
The real reason there are more modded 04-06 TL's than there are 07-08 is because you can't get a manual transmission on the 07-08 base model, only Type-s offered that in those model years. Typically people who mod want a manual. Most people driving auto TL's aren't going to mod.
all that being said, I truly hope that 04-06 gets a Hondata tuning solution at some point, because I do believe there is a large pool of owners with 04-06 that would jump on the opportunity.
how many ppl here have an income like yours that can pay off a $20k + car in a year?
u are prob the only ONE, even if u traded in ur old car $800/months for a car payment is extremely high for most 3G owners
i was too spending money in my car even before it was paid off, but i dont have a family to support or extremely high student loans to pay off.
also with that car payment i would be driving a Maserati...
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12-18-2012, 09:31 PM
#91
shit, i've been waiting for 4 years now. 15min would be NOTHING!!!! I WOULD EVEN LEAVE MY CAR SITTING FOR A WEEK IF THAT'S WHAT IT TOOK.
12-18-2012, 09:50 PM
#92
All motor
I have to believe its more in depth than just waiting an extra 10-12 minutes to tune...
12-18-2012, 09:58 PM
#93
It's not a "bug". It's how the system works. FlashPro re-writes the entire program in the ECU, not just the calibration, so if there is any sort of hickup while it is being programmed, then you could have a dead ECU on your hands. This is only a possibility, but needs to be considered by Hondata or any other company that offers a re-programming tool.
12-18-2012, 10:10 PM
#94
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LET'S BE REALISTIC!
how many ppl here have an income like yours that can pay off a $20k + car in a year?
u are prob the only ONE, even if u traded in ur old car $800/months for a car payment is extremely high for most 3G owners
i was too spending money in my car even before it was paid off, but i dont have a family to support or extremely high student loans to pay off.
also with that car payment i would be driving a Maserati...
how many ppl here have an income like yours that can pay off a $20k + car in a year?
u are prob the only ONE, even if u traded in ur old car $800/months for a car payment is extremely high for most 3G owners
i was too spending money in my car even before it was paid off, but i dont have a family to support or extremely high student loans to pay off.
also with that car payment i would be driving a Maserati...
touce on the Maserati except that the *only* reason went for 800/mo payments was because I would get it paid off in a year, knowing that I had my '05 TL paid off already and was able to sell it for enough cash to split my loan amount in half right off the bat. NO way in hell you'd ever catch me dropping a 800/mo payment for 5 years on a Maserati LOL
but it would be sweet to drive one of those, i can't deny
so bottom line is I still agree that for Hondata there is a large community in 04-06 that would love it, I just don't think it has anything to do with them not having loans vs. people with 07-08's
lol
12-18-2012, 10:23 PM
#96
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It is highly unlikely that Hondata will change their FlashPro hardware to support the slower communication protocol. The 04' ~ 06' TL uses ISO9141 and runs at 10.4k bits/second (think dial-up speed). The 07' and later TLs as well as all other Honda/Acura vehicles use CAN. This runs at 500k bits/second (think broadband speed).
Using the older protocol, it could take 15 minutes to re-flash the ECU. That's like an eternity.
There is absolutely no reason that a later ECU couldn't be used in the 04' ~ 06' TLs. You would have to either re-pin the ECU connectors on the existing wire harness, or swap out the entire engine harness (2 pcs).
Using the older protocol, it could take 15 minutes to re-flash the ECU. That's like an eternity.
There is absolutely no reason that a later ECU couldn't be used in the 04' ~ 06' TLs. You would have to either re-pin the ECU connectors on the existing wire harness, or swap out the entire engine harness (2 pcs).
The '07-08 base ECU is $457 at Delray Acura. So you're looking at that, plus the price of said adapter harness ($100-150?), the price of the FlashPro and then I believe you're going to need the immobilizer reprogrammed by the dealership (~$100).
So basically around the price of the JnR ecu, but with less headaches.
Hondata, would you be willing to R&D an adapter harness?
12-18-2012, 10:51 PM
#97
Wow! Amazing news! I'm getting close to the supercharger install and I got the ACM that comes with the comptech blower.
Questions to ziggy since you and I both have 3.2L with the comptech blower, I have stock injectors and using the ACM, Can hondata just send me the one they did for you like a plug and play without me doing any sort of outside tuning?
Do I still need to run the ACM?
I may not know a lot about this, however I'm willing for Hondata to help me out on a my 04 Manual trans TL with Comptech exhaust and Comptech blower, with stock injectors.
EDIT: I re-read most of the thread.. so they it's still not confirmed if this works with the 04-06 TL ecu's Darn...
Questions to ziggy since you and I both have 3.2L with the comptech blower, I have stock injectors and using the ACM, Can hondata just send me the one they did for you like a plug and play without me doing any sort of outside tuning?
Do I still need to run the ACM?
I may not know a lot about this, however I'm willing for Hondata to help me out on a my 04 Manual trans TL with Comptech exhaust and Comptech blower, with stock injectors.
EDIT: I re-read most of the thread.. so they it's still not confirmed if this works with the 04-06 TL ecu's Darn...
I foresee a HUGE potential market for an adapter for the harness.
The '07-08 base ECU is $457 at Delray Acura. So you're looking at that, plus the price of said adapter harness ($100-150?), the price of the FlashPro and then I believe you're going to need the immobilizer reprogrammed by the dealership (~$100).
So basically around the price of the JnR ecu, but with less headaches.
Hondata, would you be willing to R&D an adapter harness?
The '07-08 base ECU is $457 at Delray Acura. So you're looking at that, plus the price of said adapter harness ($100-150?), the price of the FlashPro and then I believe you're going to need the immobilizer reprogrammed by the dealership (~$100).
So basically around the price of the JnR ecu, but with less headaches.
Hondata, would you be willing to R&D an adapter harness?
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12-18-2012, 11:26 PM
#98
You WILL have a dead ECU on your hands.
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12-18-2012, 11:42 PM
#99
Suzuka Master
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Hondata, you offer an adapter to allow the '04-06 TSX to run the newer ECU. Can you do this for the '04-06 TL as well?
http://hondata.com/flashpro_tsx.html
http://hondata.com/flashpro_tsx.html
12-19-2012, 06:51 AM
#101
It is highly unlikely that Hondata will change their FlashPro hardware to support the slower communication protocol. The 04' ~ 06' TL uses ISO9141 and runs at 10.4k bits/second (think dial-up speed). The 07' and later TLs as well as all other Honda/Acura vehicles use CAN. This runs at 500k bits/second (think broadband speed).
Using the older protocol, it could take 15 minutes to re-flash the ECU. That's like an eternity.
There is absolutely no reason that a later ECU couldn't be used in the 04' ~ 06' TLs. You would have to either re-pin the ECU connectors on the existing wire harness, or swap out the entire engine harness (2 pcs).
Using the older protocol, it could take 15 minutes to re-flash the ECU. That's like an eternity.
There is absolutely no reason that a later ECU couldn't be used in the 04' ~ 06' TLs. You would have to either re-pin the ECU connectors on the existing wire harness, or swap out the entire engine harness (2 pcs).
12-19-2012, 06:51 AM
#102
Pro
Web site updated:
- Why wont this work for the 04-06 Acura TL?
The 07 Acura TL was the first TL to use the CAN programming protocol. This allows the ECU to be programmed in under 2 minutes and easily recover from programming mishaps such a drop in battery voltage or accidentally disconnecting the FlashPro during programming. The 04-06 TL ECUs take much longer to program (making them less suitable for dyno tuning) and are susceptible to damage rendering them unusable should the programming process be interrupted.
- Why wont this work for the 04-06 Acura TL?
The 07 Acura TL was the first TL to use the CAN programming protocol. This allows the ECU to be programmed in under 2 minutes and easily recover from programming mishaps such a drop in battery voltage or accidentally disconnecting the FlashPro during programming. The 04-06 TL ECUs take much longer to program (making them less suitable for dyno tuning) and are susceptible to damage rendering them unusable should the programming process be interrupted.
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12-19-2012, 07:56 AM
#104
Personally that is NOT a good reason to not make it available. We don't care how long it takes or the risk (I'd take out my battery in the other car and wire it up to mine in the car to insure I didn't loose juice). Simply put out a disclaimer and make them available and watch your sales triple.
So for a swap, what are the implications for the VIN#, Odometer and everything that is stored in the ECU? With the TSX swap, is it just left as is?
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12-19-2012, 07:57 AM
#105
Hey doug can you make & sell jumper harnesses to go along with this flash pro please. 1 jumper harness for a 04-06 tl and 1 jumper harness for 03-07 accords...
We would have to buy ecu,Fp,jumper harness,imbolizer for a clean setup.
Peeps who know how to wire/solder would save on this harness
We would have to buy ecu,Fp,jumper harness,imbolizer for a clean setup.
Peeps who know how to wire/solder would save on this harness
12-19-2012, 08:16 AM
#106
Hey doug can you make & sell jumper harnesses to go along with this flash pro please. 1 jumper harness for a 04-06 tl and 1 jumper harness for 03-07 accords...
We would have to buy ecu,Fp,jumper harness,imbolizer for a clean setup.
Peeps who know how to wire/solder would save on this harness
We would have to buy ecu,Fp,jumper harness,imbolizer for a clean setup.
Peeps who know how to wire/solder would save on this harness
12-19-2012, 08:38 AM
#107
Don't the same issues with the 04-06 TL apply to most GM vehicles using HP Tuners? J1850 and ISO 9141-2 both run at a blistering 10.4 kbit/s. My understanding is they both have the potential to brick an ECU with a bad flash. People tune those things no problem.
12-19-2012, 09:29 AM
#108
Guys keep in mind the 04-05ecu pinout is different than the 06!!! Especially on key wires like CAM n Crk sensors and the 02 wires used for skewing!!! So it is not just one harness we will need!
12-19-2012, 10:56 AM
#110
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I went in to King Motorsports this morning and have it on order. Gonna have them tune on my existing bolt-ons, and then look at bisi cams and porting the heads depending on how well the first tune works out.
couldn't have asked for better timing as my bonus gets deposited Dec 31st and sounds like the flashpro will be available a few days later
Gonna be a happy new year for the TL
couldn't have asked for better timing as my bonus gets deposited Dec 31st and sounds like the flashpro will be available a few days later
Gonna be a happy new year for the TL
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12-19-2012, 10:59 AM
#111
6mt swapped..smart
Sigh...can't ever be easy with these cars can it.. Stinks even more for us j32 guys with older platforms such as CL's as this probably won't work without some major rewiring/pinning
12-19-2012, 12:17 PM
#112
iWhine S/C 6MT TL
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ah, oh well... Fun while it lasted.
12-19-2012, 12:50 PM
#113
All motor
I wouldn't be too down thus far. It hasn't even been released yet. If there is a harness made that lets the 07-08 ECU work with the 04-06 TL, that would eliminate any problems I would assume. If so.....I'm buying the 04 ECU 
12-19-2012, 02:29 PM
#115
Pro
The problem seems to be the ecu takes to long. So buying an 04 wouldn't solve the problem. Is this correct? Plus since you would be able to tune it the 07-08 would work once tuned. I just don't know how much wire cutting and harnesses would be needed?
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12-19-2012, 05:34 PM
#117
Suzuka Master
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You can't blame Hondata for not supporting this. It is a 100% certainty that someone will brick their ECU and then just badger the hell out of the vendor even though there is a disclaimer.
So for a swap, what are the implications for the VIN#, Odometer and everything that is stored in the ECU? With the TSX swap, is it just left as is?
So for a swap, what are the implications for the VIN#, Odometer and everything that is stored in the ECU? With the TSX swap, is it just left as is?
12-19-2012, 07:01 PM
#118
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new to the world of tuning but definitely interested, can someone give me a tuning 101 on what this can do for a daily driver (self proclaimed idiot when it comes to this)? i know you can adjust AFR and smooth out some of the engine characteristics, what can this do for a bolt on only DD, 15 hp and 15 wtq or so? how does it affect mpg and engine longevity...
been reading up on it online and seems like i just opened pandora's box with all the info haha. at least i know what i'm reading this weekend
been reading up on it online and seems like i just opened pandora's box with all the info haha. at least i know what i'm reading this weekend
12-19-2012, 07:38 PM
#119
All motor
