NIGHTEHAWK

I think its in the middle of the dash... not sure though.

the fenda rolla

Another question for Hondata, will there be any type of control over the automatic transmission, such as adjusting line pressure or firmness?

KN_TL

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If you have a 5AT, short of replacing the engine, transmission and harnesses, it is simply not physically possible.

It's behind the center console compartments. You get to it by popping the retainer and pulling back the carpet. I am pretty sure the sticker is on the side you can't see so you'll have to remove 2 bolts one accessed on the driver side and one on the passenger side. The connectors are on the passenger side.

NIGHTEHAWK

I know what you mean but anything is possible with money, there must be something that can be done without swapping engines and tranny's other than the current option.

ziggyh22

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Ive asked that already and thats a negative. Strictly anything that deals with engine management with the exception of there traction control system.

LaCostaRacer

You are correct. I just checked the FAQ section at the Hondata site- the following blurb does not sound promising:

- Why wont this work for the 04-06 Acura TL?
The 07 Acura TL was the first TL to use the CAN programming protocol. This allows the ECU to be programmed in under 2 minutes and easily recover from programming mishaps such a drop in battery voltage or accidentally disconnecting the FlashPro during programming. The 04-06 TL ECUs take much longer to program (making them less suitable for dyno tuning) and are susceptible to damage rendering them unusable should the programming process be interrupted. FlashPro cannot program ECUs using the earlier K-Line communications protocol.

paperboy42190

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Important question: can hondata do anything about the heatsoak issues that TL's have? Now that it's winter I have been getting so much more power and throttle response. Some ppl speculated the heatsoak is due to sensors and stuff retarding timing or whatever, so can hondata fix this by any chance?

pohljm

^ you can fix that yourself! UCM

Euro-R_Spec_TSX

You would need a thermal intake manifold gasket and possibly a thermal throttle body gasket.

NIGHTEHAWK

^ I know, I did the coolant bypass amd took the engine covers off...no more heat soak.

the fenda rolla

I believe flashpro will allow you set all those timing and fueling parameters according to RPM and load even without all those gaskets or other cooling mods you do...but you can still have those gaskets if you really feel like it...

Flashpro pretty much tells the engine what to do at all times regardless of the temperature. It overrides the sensors that would tell the factory ECU what to adjust... it gives you almost complete control of the entire engine...

Check this out:

http://hondata.com/help/flashpro/ind...rol_tables.htm

the fenda rolla

http://hondata.com/help/flashpro/ind...ion_tables.htm

EL BAN

Very interesting.. watching thread for more info and results..

G*LUVA

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TmaX

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HonData appears to make heat shields for other vehicles already.
http://hondata.com/heatshieldgasket.html

I would be interested in an offering from them as their price point is half what P2R or Outlaw Engineering charge.

UCM is a great mod to help address the issue of heatsoak as well.
There are various iterations of UCM that allow you to retain your wipers and look fairly clean once done.

t0talacuratl

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Since it looks like no hope for the 04-06 TL, will the swap for the newer TL's ECU's work without issues? And if so, will the TL-S 6mt work in the 04-06 6mt since all the 07-08 base are autos?

KN_TL

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I don't know if anyone can answer that without actually trying.

The Type-S has some additional pins and I don't know if the firmware will act gracefully if those are absent.

I was going to try but the ECU is going to be around $400, then you need an HDS, HIM or something to setup the ECU/Immobilizer which at this point the cost is unknown to me. If you have an 04/05 you'll need to rewire your harness or use a boomslang or aem to match up the pins. I've got all the pins mapped out so it's seems physically possible.

The other complicating factor is that Hondata doesn't support J32 swaps so they may not support this either. I emailed them but they're closed all this week.

type-s'er

interested in this but only if gains would be around at least 20 hp for type s with a few bolt ons...its still pretty damn expensive for what it is

i_love_cars

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C'mon man don't mislead people by saying it's expensive for what it is. It's actually pretty affordable. This is for a TL, not a Honda civic. The mod community isn't as big for the TL so things will always cost a bit more. This is more than affordable for what it gives you control over.

The only other tuning solution available for the TL is the JnR which clearly won't ever be more than the few people who bought it initially for twice as much money as the Hondata Flashpro costs, lol. Then there's the minimal AEM FIC which gives you such limited control AND you have to build the harness for it.

700 bucks for the Flashpro is going to give you the ability to actually take the car beyond just bolt-ons. The base maps alone should give you 10 whp which for 700 bucks on *this* particular car is a good amount, but unlike bolt-ons like PCD's, this lets you go beyond just the initial gains.

I fully expect 15-20 whp with full bolt-ons, which is damn good gains, but to have a solution for 700 bucks that allows us to take our cars beyond just bolt-ons is invaluable. This creates tons of potential for NA builds i.e. cams, higher compression, ported heads, and those of us who are running the 3.7 intake manifolds.

I don't blame you for waiting at all to see what people will get out of it, but really I think you should have a bit more faith. This is Hondata, after all. Have you seen the gains that their flashpros give on a bone stock RSX Type-S? Pretty impressive.

Sonnick

^ It's actually not a bad price at all. ILC beat me to it.

the fenda rolla

^^^ fixed....and just to reiterate what ILC and Sonnick just said, this will clearly be the best mod for the TL...it does so much for what it is. You clearly have no working knowledge of what Flashpro and devices like it are...I suggest you do ALOT more research on this before you make statements like that again...no need to steer people away from this...

ZOMGVTEK

Would this allow adjustment over the behavior of the car? Such as, throttle 'sensitivity', fuel cut thresholds, fan temp, idle speed, cold idle, and possibly remove the DBW 'limit' at very low RPM's?

I'd love to be able to have more dynamic control over the fan, such as a separate turn on temp when the IAT's exceed a predefined threshold, or even are below a threshold.

Could it be used to help rev match upshifts assuming you don't skip gears? Possibly hang at the appropriate speed for the next gear when the clutch is depressed, and then fall back down if the gear is not selected for something like .5 seconds, or of course if the clutch is let back out not in gear. Especially when the engine is very cold, RPM's hang for a very long time between gears. However, when the engine is hot, RPM's drop way faster than I would like between gears. A bit more consistency would be nice. A bit lower cold idle speed would likely help, as long as it won't make any substantial impact aside from increasing catalyst warmup time.

I'm sure theres more I would like it to do, but it's probably a bit optimistic even asking for this.

the fenda rolla

Check it out...go to Hondata's website and look it up yourselves:

http://hondata.com/

Also check out what others do with their Flashpro:

http://www.8thcivic.com/forums/honda...-flashpro.html

And that last part, so you want more rev-hang? Yes, Flashpro will give you more or less rev-hang if you want...you can input the data necessary for your engine to do that. And yes you can adjust at what temperature the fans kick in, fuel cut off, max mph speed, raise rev limit, cook you dinner, take out the trash, mow the lawn...all the good stuff...

anx1300c

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Yeah, it's actually a damn good price, even with the additional cost to have it pro tuned on the dyno. I don't think some people realize the overall improvements possible in day to day drivability that will come with a good tune. Raise/lower vtec, get rid of annoying rev hang, smooth out the idle for those of us with the 3.7 manifold and TB. Mid range gains should be solid. It's hard to put a price on all that, but even at 1100-1200 all in, including a custom tune, it's about on par price-wise with a catback that gives you 6-8 whp and a better sound.

ZOMGVTEK

I'd be more interested in vehicle specific information, rather than what the unit is capable of on other platforms.

I don't really want 'more' rev hang, but rather intelligent, configureable rev hang thats consistent.

That page says they don't touch DBW configs, which is what I assumed.

the fenda rolla

^^^ what they do on other platforms is pretty much what they do for all platforms... so that should give you a very good idea of what to expect for the TL...

callahan

Loving all this info

EvilVirus

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^ me too but I still want to hear from hondata and if we 04-06 may have a flash pro for us in the future

bmeyer

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What I would do is order a blank OBD-II port and make a jumper harness to go from the K-Pro/HDS to the chassis. Any additional pins required by the newer ECU would just have a dedicated line running from the new plug to the ECU jumper harness.

I do have an HDS that you can borrow for a couple of weeks to experiment with it. Seems like the HDS can indeed rewrite the immobilizer codes, but you need the dealership to pull those codes for you first.

For anyone with an '04-'05 considering this, I spent some time earlier to document the pins at the OBD-II port.



Pin 4: GND (BLK)
Pin 5: GND (BLK)
Pin 7: K-LINE (LT BLUE) (ECU plug A14)
Pin 9: SCS (BRN) (ECU plug A16)
Pin 12: WEN (RED/WHT) (ECU plug A24)
Pin 14: CAN Low (ECU plug A26)
Pin 16: 12v+ (WHT/GRN)

According to the service manual, the rest should be blank.

KN_TL

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Thanks B

I've got everything mapped out, 07 to 08, 07 to 06 and 07 to 04/05

I am away right now but one line on our DLC needs to be relocated for the f-can high pin. I was hoping the pins could be removed easily.

I'll try and post them up soon.

Not quite sure if I will pursue this, I guess it'll depend if Hondata will support it.

Still planning on internals and using those heads so money may be in short supply! At least we have a workable solution.

Brian Huy Xuan Nguyen

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So uh... Im in if they still need more test tl-s's! =X

i_love_cars

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just call your local performance shop. Hondata is done with the testing phase but we haven't had a mass-produced tuning solution for the TL before, so this will be a new car tuning experience for any performance shop you go to.

As such I'm essentially giving my car to my shop for a period of time so they can learn the engine on the dyno with the Hondata and in return they cut me 50% off the cost of the tune.

Excelerate

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Just a heads up. I've posted up the Flashpro on our website. Use promo code ACURAZINEFP for the AZ special pricing.

http://store.excelerateperformance.c...i-1676074.aspx

i_love_cars

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that's a generous discount.

Marsaloni

The market for the 04 to 06 is much bigger than the market for the 07 to 08 TL-S. For someone like myself with an 04 TL 6spd I would buy this in a heartbeat if we figure out a solution.

What we know:

Our ECU will not work and Hondata wants nothing to do with us bricking our ECU's.

What we have to do:

Figure out how to exactly replace our ECU with that of a ECU from an 07/08 without causing any complications.

What I want to know:

I can solder, I can make wire harnesses, I will do a good job and I don't mind taking the time to do it. I don't mind buying the flashpro, I don't mind buying an ECU. From a few posts above there is an OBDII pin out and some recommendations. I just purchased a haynes manual for my 04 and I will purchase another one for an 08 TL - S to compare.

Let's get this down, what do we need to do? How do we swap these ECU's? Is it just the ECU that they change to upgrade to CAN or do they change other wiring/units in the car? I'm new to ECU programming and how they operate but I learn quickly. As for the immobilizer codes I have a friend at an audio shop or I can go to a dealership, just tell me what to ask, what I'm dealing with and what I'm trying to accomplish.

I have a 2010 Civic Si with Flashpro and it is invaluable to me. I don't know if everyone reading this realizes how much you actually gain from this unit and how better your car will be.

Help me figure this out.

paperboy42190

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you guys know that flashpro and hondata for some other cars like the RSX is like over $1000 and I think the 8th gen civic SI's are like $600+, so honestly the price for the TL's is great.

paperboy42190

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i think hondata for civics is just as expensive if not more lol

kingkong_dav

im guessing this is compatible with the 2G RL. TLTYPES and RL. same engine

the fenda rolla

Like ILC said, very generous discount...payment sent for real this time...

NOT AT ALL...it only works for 07-08 Base and Type-S TL's...it's all about the ECU broski...

SharksBreath

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does this coupon have an expiration date? i wont be purchasing one til closer to tax time.