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Old Sep 30, 2010 | 05:31 PM
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Surround Sound?

Hey all,

What do I have to do to get my stereo to play in surround sound?

As of now, my entire music collection (6GB) is on iTunes in either a m4a or m4p file format. m4a being music that I did not buy from the store and m4p being music bought from the store or music that the program recognized upon import.

So, do I need to convert my music to a specific file format, get blank dvd's, etc?? I dont know where to start. Thanks all.
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Old Oct 1, 2010 | 07:22 AM
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Only music originally mixed and released in surround format will play in surround sound. The catalog of released artists and albums in surround format is still pretty limited.
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Old Oct 1, 2010 | 01:13 PM
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Ok thanks for the info. I will have to start looking around. Even if I burn music to a dvd it will not play in surround?
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Old Oct 1, 2010 | 03:31 PM
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Or you can create your own DVD-A disc. They sound incredible in that system. I've made a few myself. Talk about channel separation. Search some threads about conversion and burning of DVD-A's.

Check out this thread:

https://acurazine.com/forums/3g-tl-audio-bluetooth-electronics-navigation-94/i-want-burn-mp3-what-dvd-format-do-i-use-789541/

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Old Oct 1, 2010 | 04:17 PM
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Originally Posted by 04TLVTEC
Ok thanks for the info. I will have to start looking around. Even if I burn music to a dvd it will not play in surround?
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Old Oct 3, 2010 | 09:57 AM
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look for lossless music... usually it will play in surround sound but its hard to find alot of popular music in lossless formats and you will have to burn it as a dvd-a bc the files are huge
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Old Oct 3, 2010 | 11:17 AM
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False.
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Old Oct 3, 2010 | 05:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Eric Perry
Only music originally mixed and released in surround format will play in surround sound. The catalog of released artists and albums in surround format is still pretty limited.


Actually Eric, even a regular CD will also be separated by the head unit and played in surround sound-even if it's not a DVD Audio disc. It isn't as well done as a DVD Audio disc, but the head unit does a decent job of separating the sound on a regular stereo disc.
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Old Oct 3, 2010 | 10:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Steven Bell
Actually Eric, even a regular CD will also be separated by the head unit and played in surround sound-even if it's not a DVD Audio disc. It isn't as well done as a DVD Audio disc, but the head unit does a decent job of separating the sound on a regular stereo disc.
I don't think that's true. How is that possible if the source was only mixed in a 2-channel stereo format? Or how about something old-school like the Beatles mono releases? They were originally recorded mono and will only play mono, regardless of hardware... At least, as far as I ever knew.
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Old Oct 4, 2010 | 01:10 AM
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Originally Posted by Eric Perry
I don't think that's true. How is that possible if the source was only mixed in a 2-channel stereo format? Or how about something old-school like the Beatles mono releases? They were originally recorded mono and will only play mono, regardless of hardware... At least, as far as I ever knew.

It is possible, but it's not true 5.1 surround for the reason you infer. When you select the Dolby Pro-Logic the radio does some "magic" to split the channels. Something along the lines of:

- Send all signal < 80 Hz to Subwoofer;
- Compare L & R --> send everything that's the same in both between 80 and 5000 hz to center;
- Send unique L > 80 Hz to Front L; send unique R > 80 Hz to Front R.
- Send all L > 80 Hz to Rear L; Send all R > 80 Hz to Rear R.

So, it simulates a surround by mostly by splitting the channels by frequency. I have no idea what the cut offs are or how simiple or complex the logic is. The above is just a simple example.


This is basically what's being done when some one makes a "home made" DVD-A. They sound REALLY good, but they are not true surround sound. More like enhanced stereo from 5 channels, if you see what I mean. It's more about creating a sense of channel separation, not creating moving surround effects.

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Old Oct 4, 2010 | 06:29 AM
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^^^ That makes sense. Sorry for my misleading post(s).
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Old Oct 4, 2010 | 03:00 PM
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Try the Adobenizer from Adobeman. It takes a 2 channel source and remixes it. Check the thread in post #4 above.
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Old Oct 4, 2010 | 03:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Bearcat94
Something along the lines of:

- Send all signal < 80 Hz to Subwoofer;
- Compare L & R --> send everything that's the same in both between 80 and 5000 hz to center;
- Send unique L > 80 Hz to Front L; send unique R > 80 Hz to Front R.
- Send all L > 80 Hz to Rear L; Send all R > 80 Hz to Rear R.
So does this mean that the headunit handles the crossover to the subwoofer? If I replace my sub, all I need to do is tap the factory input wires at the factory sub and input directly into the new amp (either using line inputs or a LOC)? I do not need a separate crossover?
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Old Oct 4, 2010 | 03:22 PM
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Originally Posted by dwb993
So does this mean that the headunit handles the crossover to the subwoofer? If I replace my sub, all I need to do is tap the factory input wires at the factory sub and input directly into the new amp (either using line inputs or a LOC)? I do not need a separate crossover?

You missed a line.

Originally Posted by Bearcat94
.... I have no idea what the cut offs are or how simiple or complex the logic is. The above is just a simple example. .....

I actually stole that general idea/logic from the way the adobinzer does it's channel splitting.
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Old Oct 4, 2010 | 03:43 PM
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The ProLogic stuff is only on the 07 and 08 models, by the way.

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Old Oct 6, 2010 | 03:23 PM
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You would have to have 5.1 media , a headunit that reads and outputs it. Or you can get the JBL MS-8 and convert 2 channel audio into 5.1 or 7.1!
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Old Oct 7, 2010 | 12:28 PM
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So is the software that some people mentioned available for free? Can I get it via google?
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Old Oct 7, 2010 | 03:55 PM
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Originally Posted by 04TLVTEC
So is the software that some people mentioned available for free? Can I get it via google?
Search for AcuraZine for member "Adobeman". Find his "adobinizer" software thread. That's freeware, but you still need an authoring program that will format for DVD-A.

The other alternative is Cirlinca Solo. You can do a few discs as trial, but after that you have to buy it. I think it's something like $39 or $49. Does everything "the adobinizer" does PLUS authors the DVD-A.
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