I am sure some of you guys have ripped dts tracks from different sources to play in your car. I have Saving Private Ryan dts that I would like to rip and check out the opening scene in the car.
I also have Queen The Game DVD-A that has a dts track that I would like to rip as a backup (I don't know of a way to back up the dvd-a tracks so dts will have to do)

My demo of DVD Audio Extractor has expired. I want to use something else instead of purchasing that since they are asking for address, phone # etc to purchase and I am a bit hesitant about that kind of paper trail for a ripping program.

I searched for guides and I found one for dvd decrypter which I have. I did the stream processing/ demux etc as stated in the guide and got the vob's. When I used belight/besweet to extract from the vob's and convert to 5.1 wav all my wav files were 44 bytes

I was going to use my last few burns with DVD Audio Solo ( which I will most likely buy when my demo runs out) to check these out. I was also considering purchasing the Surcode dts encoder cd version ($99)

If anyone can help me rip dts and/or help me convert 2ch cd's into surround sound (Dark Side of the Moon would probably sound awesome) I would really appreciate it.

Thanks

 

If you want to rip DTS, really by far the easiest way is DVD Audio Extractor. Don't worry about the name & address thing - it doesn't contain any illegal technology like encryption bypass.

Decoding DTS to WAV is the next step. The Surecode DTS encoder won't do you any good for this. First you need a DirectShow DTS decoder on your system - such as you can get with WinDVD platinum (there may be other cheaper ways to do it), which was $70 when I got it.

Then you need some freeware that will take advantage of it to decode the dts files - google for azidts and you will find it.

Once you have the .WAV's you can use DVD Audio Solo to burn your disc for the car.

2ch -> 5.1 is a topic unto itself covered very completely in the Hydrogen Audio forums.

Mike

 

If I got this right, your message implies you want to go from DVDA to DTS-CD and are going to purchase the SW to do so.

There are disadvantages to going with DTS-CD vs DVDA
1 The TL has trouble with some DTS material making loud pops and clicks.
2 CDs have a maximum of 70min play time < with DTS
3 Blank CDs are now going up in price RELATIVE to DVDs
4 Need for an encoder to encode DTS
5 Need to down-sample the WAVs to CD@44.1kHz from the DVD@48kHz

Instead I suggest you rip your DVDA-DTS tracks to 6 WAVs with DVD Audio Extractor then create a new DVDA with the WAV files. These will likely be 24bit at48kHz so they don't need any more processing. You can get fancy and use Surecode MLP to make compressed DVDAs. Diskwelder Chrome works well to burn but if DVDA Audio Solo can handle MLP files it would also be a good bet. Wavelab is a good util to examine and play WAVs, determine bit depth and sample frequency. VLC version 0.7.1 is ideal for playback of DTS-CD files.

You can make the DVDAs without the MLP but the center and rear channels may need to be a reduced bit depth to fit the bandwidth of the DVDA spec. At 24bit x 48k x 6ch this may not be necessary.

A couple utils worth looking at if you want to examine DVDAs for backing up: PPCMRipper and DVDAExplorer

 

Surecode MLP is $2500 last I looked (same with Chrome) - not a good deal for the home DVD burner. DVD-A Solo will not use MLPs.

Triggle is absolutely right about DTS CDs. To enjoy mine in the TL, I have to rip them to dts then burn them to a DVD-A. Otherwise it's digital click/pop city.

Mike

 

Thanks guys. I was going to buy the Surcode dts encoder cd version for $99 but as you recommend I will stick with Solo for $35.

I don't understand how Extractor can be legal if you are ripping anything from a dvd so that is why I don't want to go through the purchasing process.

What I have done so far:

rip the vob's with DVD Decrypter
extract the DTS tracks with vobrator
transcode the dts to 6 mono wavs with Tranzcode.

Now the problem I am having at this point:

since I rip the vob's by chapter, I would have many wav files ie: Private Ryan has 20+ chapters x 6 wav files each you get the idea. I know Solo can accept the mono files but the whole channel mapping thing is to confusing to me and I would have no idea how to get Solo to keep the individual tracks.

I tried using belight/besweet to mux the files to single 6ch wavs but the resulting files are 0 bytes so I am obviously doing something wrong.

I know, I know, just use Extractor. Assuming I would not use it is there anything I can do. I have seen some incredible knowledge here so there must be some advice you can give.

I have posted at Doom9 also but no response yet.

Hey svtmike, did you mean rip to wav? I cant get Solo to see my dts files

One last thing. Taking the Private Ryan DTS version DVD as an example, what would happen if I put this in the TL. Would the soundtrack play or will I get an error message or something. I don't want it to jam or anything so I haven't tried it yet.

Thanks again guys

 

It won't rip from an encrypted DVD; that's how it's legal.


DVD-Audio Solo looks for _C, _FL, _FR, _LFE, _SL, and _SR suffixes on the files. You add one of the mono files, then click the "number of channels" selector up until it reads 6. Kind of odd but easy enough once you get used to it.

I have a batch file set up so that AZIDTS names the files with these suffixes.

I just use azidts and get 6 mono wavs. For AC3, I use the BeSweet GUI to get 5.1 WAVs.

I guess I did oversimplify. Here's the full train - rip the DTS CD to .WAV, then convert the .WAVs to .dts using BeSplit (I know, it doesn't make sense but the program does it), then use azidts to make 6 mono PCM .WAVs, and then burn those to DVD-A using DVD-A Solo.

I think it would display "FORMAT" and spit the disc back out at you.

Mike

 

I really do appreciate you taking the time to help. Earlier this evening while cruising Doom9 I saw mention of a program called foobar. I downloaded and it worked just as I needed it to - dts to single 6ch wav. I even got it to run in batch mode to do all the files at once (pats self on back )

now, using vobrator I can only extract the dts files one by one. As an example Private Ryan had 21 vob's so you can see why I would want a batch mode for this. If you are familiar with vobrator do you know if I missed something or can you recommend something to extract dts from vob in batch mode.

Also, do you know what the difference between pcm fixed point and pcm 32 bit floating point is? foobar has both choices when transcoding the dts. I chose the fixed point. It sounds fine on the computer. I will try a burn with Solo tomorrow and see how it sounds in the car.

Again, Thanks

 

Not sure what the difference is - so this is an educated guess. Fixed point vs. floating point probably means integer vs. floating point math libraries. Integer is typically much faster, floating point will be a little more accurate but any differences in the output I would think to be inaudible.

Mike

 

The output of Tranzcode is 24bit floating. You should use a converter to change to a 24bit non float.

Does anyone know what the utility DTSparser does ?

SVT,
It'd be on-topic and very usefull to have some details of how you mastered Azidts. I use Tranzcode because I could not get Azidts to function.

 

azidts requires the Intervideo DirectShow DTS codec to be on your system - I have that by purchasing WinDVD Platinum. Other than that, I don't think there's anything special to do except put azidts.dll in a directory on your dll path.

Mike

 

I used DTS parser to convert DTS-encoded WAV files (such as ripped from a DTS Music CD) into .dts files. However there were a lot of DTS CDs that it couldn't handle properly. This turns out to be due to the bit rate being left "open" in the file - it wasn't specified. I found a version of besplit that does the same conversion and for me has the benefit of running in a batch file since it is a command line tool, so I can now rip a DTS CD to .WAV, then run a single batch program in the directory and it takes care of converting the .WAVs to .dts (including handling the open bit rate) and then converting the .dts into six mono .WAVs.

Here's the batch file for those interested:

for %%v in (*.wav) do besplit -core( -input "%%v" -output "%%v".dts -type dtswav -fix )
for %%v in (*.dts) do azidts -autoch -core( -input "%%v" -6ch -output "%%v_" ) -ota ( -fs 44100 )


Mike

 

This is great. I think I see where I went wrong. I was simply renaming the .WAV to .DTS before running Azidts on it. So what is the difference between .DTS and .WAV ?

 

The DTSWAV file basically has the DTS stream embedded in 7 of the 8 PCM bits of a .WAV file. So the besplit line pulls the DTS stream out of the WAV that encapsulates it, and then the azidts line decodes the DTS stream into conventional monophonic .WAV files.

Mike

 

So, what's the best way to extract the DTS encoded files from a DTS-CD then burn it to a DVD-A? I've yet to find a program to read the cd-DTS info.