leedogg

Anybody know if its possible to burn a backup copy of the DVD navigation disc that works?

VtecMW

Tried it twice last week. I ripped the DVD using DVD Decrypter and tried burning with Alcohol 120%. I used Verbatim DVD+R DL discs and set the book type to DVD-ROM.

The Navi absolutely does not like it. It gives a disc error message. I did some searching through the forum and on cdfreaks.com. I don't think anyone has been successful doing it. I think it may have something to do with the bar code on the Navi disc.

If anyone has been successful, I'd love to hear what you did.

TLTrance

If there is a barcode on the front face of the disc, can't that be copied too? Maybe we can paste that on.. Just thinking out loud here...

leedogg

I used to have a little app called clonyxxl that combined with alcohol120 would manage to copy pretty much any cd, but I'm not sure if it works for dvd's...

rbf351

the bar code? if anything is on the top of the disc it means nothing to the drive

i burnt the disc about a month ago, worked perfectly in the TL, and still using it now

make sure you burn it at the slowest (1x) speed

Actuary

Which media did u use?

leedogg

drive + software + dvd disc brand/specs please.

rbf351

panasonic dvd-ram sw-9585, alc 120. forgot what type of disc it is, doesn't say anything on the disc

VtecMW

Tried burning at the slowest speed and still got the error. This is my third burn. Did you set your software to burn the DVD as Book Type (DVD-ROM) before burning? I have a Plextor PX-716A.

You can find the disc type by using DVD Identifier, http://dvd.identifier.cdfreaks.com/my_site/download.php.

I wonder if some drives are better suited for this than others.

VtecMW

The slowest speed my drive would burn the disc at is 2.4x, even after I set it to 1X. I could try turning AutoStrategy (Plextor feature) off to see if that will force it to burn slower. But, I think the media you used may play a very significant factor.

Just to confirm, you got a true 1X burn? Your drive never spiked and tried to burn faster?

Thanks.

DeadLock

what did you rip the original DVD with? is it DVD5? or DVD9 dual layer?

rbf351

all i did was open the dvd in windows explorer,select all, then copy and pasted all the files into a new folder on my desktop

then used nero, not alcohol 120

picked DVD-ROM(ISO) dragged all the files and burnt it

Actuary

I had benQ,LG,Samsung burners and now I have Pioneer. The only burner i haven't tried is Plextor which is regarded as best burner on market.

Anyway, I believe Media has huge impact on successful duplicating.

That's amazing simple drag and drop worked

leedogg

Use that dvd identifier software and let us know what discs you use.

DeadLock

wow copied and pasted it?

I guess there is no protection on the disc, anyone have the new updated one? is it ven worth the update? I have the 2004 version, tried an RL disc, didnt work in the TL navi

Actuary

OK I tried copy and paste method, did NOT work.

I used Roxio 8, Verbatim DVD-R DL, 2x speed(lowest I could pick), Pioneer DVR-110D(their latest drive).

I will keep trying though.

VtecMW

Yeah, I tried yesterday using Memorex and Verbatim DVD+R DL discs. I burned using Nero and ImgBurn (successor to DVD Decrypter). No luck at all.

I'm not sure what else to try. I still have 3 discs left, 2 Verbatim 1 Memorex. I imagine that it's either the media or the burner.

Actuary

I have both Verbatim +R and -R in hand. I tried +R last time(the ISO method). I don't know what else to try either.

Local store has Ritek +R and -R DL in stock. I will try them when I get in my hand.

VtecMW

The Memorex Disc is a RITEK +R, ID RITEK-D01-001. I wouldn't bother unless you have some extra cash and want to try it out.

Not sure what else to try either. I'm starting to question whether some burners can burn it successfully and others can't.

leedogg

Just picked up a pack of Sony DVD-R's

we shall see...

VtecMW

What type of burner and software are you using? And, if you have any luck, ID your media for us please!

Hopefully you'll have some luck.

TorontoR

Any word on the media used? Any help you can provide would be greatly appreciated!

stevenpph

I've made working, dual layer copies of my '06 Civic navi Dvd! I keep a copy installed in the car all the time (the original is kept in a safe place). The disk is not encrypted - no need to use DVD decrypter to copy it, I think Honda (Alpine) may have (unintentionally??) copy protected it. The trick to copying it is to NOT RE-ARRANGE ANY FILES and LEAVE THE DIRECTORY UNTOUCHED! First you make a perfect ISO image file of the original DVD - I believe I used "Magic ISO Maker" to make the image file. Then use Nero version 7 to burn it (many programs, inc. DVD Decrypter I believe will write the ISO file correctly). Any attempt I made to replace/modify the DVD fileswill produce a DVD that errors out in the navi (although the DVD will read fine in a PC). It appears that the original DVD has a non-standard file/directory structure. I did find a way to modify the ISO image and make a working disk - I wrote a program that overwrites a file in the ISO file - you can't change the size or the name of the file, but you can modify the file's contents. I used this method to modify the file "06AVN2.bin" with a new version with a new opening screen. (After I did this, I learned that you can do the same thing with a small disk with just 6 files on it.)

By the way, I've made working DVDs using dual layer Verbatim and "GQ" discs. My writer is a LITEON SOHW-832S firmware version CG5J and I believe it writes at 2.4x.

VtecMW

Can you clarify the overwrite of the ISO file and then the part with mdifying the files contents.

Are you saying you used your original NAV disc and then swapped in the new .bin file into the original disc structure to get a working disc?

Any info would be appreciated. Also, any chance that we can try out your software to see if we can accomplish what you did?

Thanks.

stevenpph

An ISO file is simply a copy of every datablock from the DVD - a perfect image byte or byte image file. Each DVD data block is 2048 bytes long - each block has an address called an LBA, and each file stored on the disk starts on a block boundry. You need a Cd/DVD editor like Magic ISO, Ultra ISO, or IsoBuster to see inside the DVD data format and discover file locations (I also use them to create the ISO file from the DVD). Using Magic ISO, the address of the file 06AVN2.bin in the ISO file (2053267). I then write the data blocks from my modified 06AVN2.bin into the ISO file, starting at block 2053267. Since my new version of 06AVN2.bin is exactly the same length as the original one, I don't have to touch the directory structure in the ISO file. These DVD editors will allow you to remove and replace files, then write out an updated ISO file. I tried this route, but never succeeded in making a Civic navi readable DVD (but they're perfectly readable on a PC!) They all will re-write the DVD directory, and it appears to get enlarged in the process. To avoid this problem, I wrote a program that can replace an existing file's data blocks. It's a real simple-minded console app, which I can place somewhere - Is there a centralized location for navi programs?

By the way, 06AVN2.bin contains the .bmp file for the opening screen, which is what I modified.

stanekfelix

What's all the fuss about this backup navi disc? What's the ultimate purpose? Or is it just for the thrill of it?

HowQuaint

It's always good to have, and use, a backup of your data instead of the original copy. Suppose you got rearended and it crunched your navi disc? I'm going to attempt to burn a copy this evening, I'll let everyone know if it works...

gqchicago

I think the key is that you need a dual layer burner and media. A standard DVD burner will not work, you have to have one of the newer dual layer ones (and if you aren't sure if you have one, then most likely you don't!).

If you want to see some dual layer ones go check out one of my favorite PC / hardware sites..

http://www.newegg.com

datmrman

I've decided to take a stab at it, since I think I have several ways to test and I haven't seen anyone trying FujiFilm media. I've had a lot of success using this brand to play on old dvd players. I also have a Plextor PX-716A.

Slysoft's AnyDVD detected no protection.
It did state that the original nav dvd is dual layer, written in parallel (meaning)

Trial 1: Copy DVD with Nero using FujiFilm DVD+R DL.
Since there is no protection, I might as well try to use Nero's DVD copy feature. Well, it didn't work. Nero created and saved an image file successfully, but when trying to burn at 2.4X, Nero didn't specify a correct layer break (point of swapping from layer 0 and layer 1) and died with an error.

Trial 2: DVDDecrypter with FujiFIlm DVD+R DL.
Went into ISO Read mode. This was on the info screen:Looks like it detected the 2 layers. Created an ISO. Tested the ISO with Daemon Tools. It mounted fine on the PC.


Went into ISO Write mode. Disk burned and verified successfully at 2.4X. I selected 1X but I think my burner supports only 2.4X or 4X.

Moment of truth: Went to the car and loaded the backup DVD.
Navigation doesn't recognize the disk.

Here is what DVD Decrypter's info box said for the backup:I've highlighted the differences I've noticed between the original and the backup. Looks like DVD Decryptor added some additional data into the second layer.

Well, I'm out of DL disks. So for now, this is my $4 worth. Hopefully this will shed some light on someone to try something else.

Some guesses:

1. The nav unit is picky about how the DVD is authored. I think we should try to match up specs with the original as much as possible.
2. Parallel Track Path (PTP) is usually for DVD-Roms. Need to find a way to have the burner use this method.
3. Need to find a way to make a backup where there number of sectors match the original.

colossus

Did you try bitsetting the DVD to DVD-ROM. As long as your burner supports setting to DVD-ROM, you could bitset it and write it as a DVD-ROM (a DVD+R disc at least). The track depths are a little different on DVD+R compared to DVD-R but I don't think the laser would care about that.

I'll try screwing around with some burns this weekend

Oh, also if you're willing to kill another $2 disc try writing the image with Alchol 120% and see if that changes the data bits.

VtecMW

I did exactly what datmrman did and got the exact same results. When you did the copy of your disc, did you rip the image first, then copy? Or did you burn on the fly (copied directly from disc). rbf appeared to have success by doing a burn on the fly.

I'm not sure what else to try at this point. I wonder if it has something to do with the burner itself.

The Plextor PX-716 supports bitsetting. I made sure to set it on mine each time. After the burn, any tool that provides disc info reports it as a DVD-ROM.

datmrman

I have no problems with it reporting as a DVD-Rom, but it was authored OTP instead of PTP and I don't know if the nav drive in the TL is picky about that.

With both times, an image was created first then burned, so no it was not on the fly. I only have one DVD-Rom/Burner anyway.

I'll be using Daemon Tools to test before I waste anymore disks.

stanekfelix

Did you know that when I tried to burn my first DVD Audio discs on DVD+R media they didn't work? I also tried to do the startup image "hack" with the navi disc, also on a DVD+R media. Only a few weeks later, while browsing the forums, I found out the in-dash changer, as well as the navi unit in the trunk don't support DVD+R discs. I rushed to Wal-Mart and picked up a spindle of DVD-R discs and next thing I know I was listening to audio dvds, after enjoying my custom startup image.
Long story, made short - did you guys try burning double layer DVD-R discs instead of DVD+R?

waynema

iTrader: (1)

From what I learnt by burning numerous DVD-Audio discs, TL's dvd drives seem to only recognize DVD-Rs but not +s..
Good luck everyone!

datmrman

I agree with you guys. I have no problems burning DVD-Audio disks with DVD-R.

Unfortunately, the navi DVD is a dual layer disk (about 6.5 GB of data) and is not a normal DVD+/-R (about 4 GB of data). Also, my DVD burner only supports DVD+R DL (therefore I went with DVD+R DL). Anyone with DVD-R DL wanna try?

Actuary

I got Verbatim and Ritek DVD-R DLs but havent had success.

HowQuaint

Damn, I just checked and my NEC 3540A only does DL in + No wonder... I guess its time to buy another burner, because I certainly want a backup, and using DL in the changer basically doubles one's capacity for stored music...

thaita78

check again

HowQuaint

Thats what I get for googling it instead of going to the manufacturer's website... *smack head*

Now to order some DL - discs...

GeoffS

I started a thread on this in maybe late '04 that was locked a few months back. Short version of the story...no one could get it to work. Someone covered the bar code on their original DVD and that still worked so it's not the bar code. All sorts of DVD media was tried without success. Good luck to everyone trying...we had a pretty smart people on it last time with not much to show from it.