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Old 04-21-2009 | 06:24 PM
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Old 04-21-2009 | 07:59 PM
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Well mine are done and its an easy DIY. You lose very little fluid at all changin them out. I havent drove far but enuff to tell it helped sum. Real test in the mornin...seems to be the time i feel shudder most. If i could use a word if it makes sense to ya. The transmission shift seems more attentive. Really only thing i can say. Easy 77.00 dollars to put in.....get at it boys and girls!
Old 04-21-2009 | 08:39 PM
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Well mine are done and its an easy DIY. You lose very little fluid at all changin them out. I havent drove far but enuff to tell it helped sum. Real test in the mornin...seems to be the time i feel shudder most. If i could use a word if it makes sense to ya. The transmission shift seems more attentive. Really only thing i can say. Easy 77.00 dollars to put in.....get at it boys and girls!
Can't wait to see how it turns out in the morning, especially since you've already experienced the shudder. I'll be checking back here every 5 minutes until I see a reply lol.
Old 04-21-2009 | 08:57 PM
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Yea i truly dont think its gonna be a permanent fix....waitin for it to die on me. Since it already did the shudder gonna give her hell till she goes ...lol Will post back tomoro with update.
Old 04-22-2009 | 08:00 AM
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Can someone explain what's special about 3rd gear?
it's the gear that likes to melt down due to low lubrication. what happens is during repeated 2-3 shifting the fluid gets really hot and breaks down killing said clutch pack. supposidly the new design solves this issue.........
Old 04-22-2009 | 09:18 AM
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Originally Posted by I hate cars
Just a little fluid lost. Probably won't have to add any. If you've ever had shudder, it's time to replace these things. It doesn't take a lot to burn it up.

Remember, these are the pressure sensors, not switches.
So do you have a pic or something so we know what we are looking for.
Old 04-22-2009 | 10:16 AM
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Old 04-22-2009 | 10:28 AM
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If anyone actually does this replacement themselves, please take pictures so we can all do it as well! Thanks everyone. I love this forum!!!
Old 04-22-2009 | 10:43 AM
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wow, i didn't know the 3rd gen TL's had tranny problems too
Old 04-22-2009 | 06:45 PM
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Well no shudder this mornin after switch change. So far so good. It should be mentioned i had a tranny flush done bout 5 months ago too, so im sure that has helped . Tranny seems alot more responsive after switch change so it definately doesnt hurt to do this if you have higher mileage.
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Old 04-22-2009 | 07:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Actrite04
Well no shudder this mornin after switch change. So far so good. It should be mentioned i had a tranny flush done bout 5 months ago too, so im sure that has helped . Tranny seems alot more responsive after switch change so it definately doesnt hurt to do this if you have higher mileage.
That's awesome! Did it shudder every morning or was it erratic? If it still isn't shuddering after a week is it safe to assume it was a success?
Old 04-22-2009 | 08:19 PM
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it was usually erractic , thats what really made me wanna change the sensors out quickly so damage would be minimal at best. We will see how it goes i will keep yall updated.
Old 04-22-2009 | 09:35 PM
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Maybe 3 weeks to late?

It's crazy that I found this thread!

I'm currently having the same issue. From what I read here, I feel like this may have been the issue that caused my tranny to start acting up. Its been slipping for 3 weeks now. Problem is, I was so convinced that the whole tranny was gone, that I continued driving.

If I drain some fluid, will I be able to tell if there is a lot of damage done? Maybe on the plug, since it's magnetic?

I'm supposed to be assisting with rebuilding the tranny this weekend. I know we're getting a master kit, but are those sensors usualy part of the rebuild? If not, they will be this time.
Old 04-22-2009 | 09:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Houston
It's crazy that I found this thread!

I'm currently having the same issue. From what I read here, I feel like this may have been the issue that caused my tranny to start acting up. Its been slipping for 3 weeks now. Problem is, I was so convinced that the whole tranny was gone, that I continued driving.

If I drain some fluid, will I be able to tell if there is a lot of damage done? Maybe on the plug, since it's magnetic?

I'm supposed to be assisting with rebuilding the tranny this weekend. I know we're getting a master kit, but are those sensors usualy part of the rebuild? If not, they will be this time.
Too bad.. I'd try the switches or new solenoids before doing a rebuild but if you decide to rebuild I hope it goes well.. Take a lot of pics to document your steps from drop to install.. That would be very interesting.

I would absolutely definitely have the ATF analyzed.. get a kit from Blackstone Labs and send it in.. it doesn't cost too much.. just let it drain and then grab some after a quart or so..
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I just ordered the two sensors, I don't think mine is going bad but I'll change them out for pice of mind i have over 70k on the car. And some new ATF. Also I have a Tranny here I bought from a Guy that was starting to slip and can you belive I got it for $100.

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Old 04-22-2009 | 11:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Majofo
Too bad.. I'd try the switches or new solenoids before doing a rebuild but if you decide to rebuild I hope it goes well.. Take a lot of pics to document your steps from drop to install.. That would be very interesting.

I would absolutely definitely have the ATF analyzed.. get a kit from Blackstone Labs and send it in.. it doesn't cost too much.. just let it drain and then grab some after a quart or so..
I'll try some of this. Worse case, I end up paying an estimated 700.00 for a rebuilt tranny including a rebuilt torque converter. Still not bad for an Acura tranny.
Old 04-22-2009 | 11:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Houston
I'll try some of this. Worse case, I end up paying an estimated 700.00 for a rebuilt tranny including a rebuilt torque converter. Still not bad for an Acura tranny.
Damn.. whose your guy.. I may have to take ride down there.. that's pretty good for the labor involved.. that's damn good! Oh the possibilities.. .. lol.. can your guy cut some weight on the stator?
Old 04-22-2009 | 11:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Houston
I'll try some of this. Worse case, I end up paying an estimated 700.00 for a rebuilt tranny including a rebuilt torque converter. Still not bad for an Acura tranny.
You're going to need to replace the sensors on the rebuild anyway. You may get lucky and there may not be too much damage on the original. $100 is better than $700 even though that's a great deal.
Old 04-23-2009 | 10:45 AM
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I was quoted 1300 including R&R which I thought was a good price. 700 is a steal! Luckily it turned out the problem was the TPS
Old 04-23-2009 | 12:06 PM
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Good thread. Sounds like a good Preventive Maint item.

Somebody remind me to change mine at 50k (should be about 18 months from now).
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I'm on day two and no shudder still as of yet. Shift points all feel pretty good. I drive around 100 miles round trip a day to work and back. So far all is still good.
Old 04-23-2009 | 07:22 PM
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Sooo I didn't read through this entire thread post by post; but I thought what plagued the 5AT was that the gear [2nd or 3rd?] did not get adequate cooling and would eventually die? The fix was to inspect, if failure was imminent replace, if it was not damaged, they drilled holes in the gear to improve fluid flow?

Is this a different issue? Am I totally smoking crack?

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Old 04-23-2009 | 07:46 PM
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Sooo I didn't read through this entire thread post by post; but I thought what plagued the 5AT was that the gear [2nd or 3rd?] did not get adequate cooling and would eventually die? The fix was to inspect, if failure was imminent replace, if it was not damaged, they drilled holes in the gear to improve fluid flow?

Is this a different issue? Am I totally smoking crack?

Edit: Not drill holes; I did some more digging and the fix is to install the oil jet kit so 2nd gear gets proper cooling.

How would changing the sensors resolve a fluid flow/cooling issue?
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Old 04-23-2009 | 07:52 PM
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Originally Posted by timmahh
Edit: Not drill holes; I did some more digging and the fix is to install the oil jet kit so 2nd gear gets proper cooling.

How would changing the sensors resolve a fluid flow/cooling issue?
That was a different issue and was solved a long time ago.
Old 04-23-2009 | 07:55 PM
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Originally Posted by I hate cars
That was a different issue and was solved a long time ago.
Ahh thank you.. ok so i've been off the forums for a little bit.. whats the new issue?
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Ok so the two parts came in today I'll be doing it in the A.M.
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3 Days all good!
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Just pulled the trigger, i have an 04 with 45k on it, havent felt any slip but i dont think i'll wait for it.

Order details
Product # Description Quantity Unit Price Total Price
28600-RAY-003 SWITCH ASSY., AT OIL PRESSURE (TEXAS INSTRUMENTS) 1 $32.21 $32.21
28610-RAY-003 SWITCH ASSY., AT OIL PRESSURE (TEXAS INSTRUMENTS) 1 $32.21 $32.21
90471-PW7-A00 GASKET (10MM) 2 $1.78 $3.56
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Total Order : $76.93


For 77 bucks, which may or may not prevent the cost of a full rebuilt in the future, along with downtime and headaches dealing with the beautiful acura dealerships, and money i can recoup byt cutting down on lunch for a few weeks, why not?
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Old 04-25-2009 | 03:13 AM
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3 Days all good!
This is good stuff. Maybe it should be made a sticky. Installing mine next weekend.
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Another thing that can be done to help out is change out your Tranny ATF Filter every 15k to 20k. I went to buy a Filter at my local dealer and can you belive they said they have never sold one.
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Old 04-25-2009 | 12:16 PM
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You're going to need to replace the sensors on the rebuild anyway. You may get lucky and there may not be too much damage on the original. $100 is better than $700 even though that's a great deal.
Just went to pick them up from a Honda dealer and I'll be installing them in a bit. I'll let ya'll know the results.

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Damn.. whose your guy.. I may have to take ride down there.. that's pretty good for the labor involved.. that's damn good! Oh the possibilities.. .. lol.. can your guy cut some weight on the stator?
Two words, "in law."
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Another thing that can be done to help out is change out your Tranny ATF Filter every 15k to 20k. I went to buy a Filter at my local dealer and can you belive they said they have never sold one.
HAHAHA, are you serious? You do know this requires removal and disassembly of the transmission right? hahah, do that every20k miles -- if you only drive 2k miles a year lol .
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isn't the filter just a simple mesh screen?
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HAHAHA, are you serious? You do know this requires removal and disassembly of the transmission right? hahah, do that every20k miles -- if you only drive 2k miles a year lol .
Na Man it's on top of the Tranny behind a cover with 3 10mm Bolts 30 to 40min job at best took me 45min the fist time i did it. In the circle, Take a look don't tell me non of you knew this.

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isn't the filter just a simple mesh screen?
It's just like an Oil filter for the car only thing is it's in the tranny so it an open element filter.
Old 04-25-2009 | 04:38 PM
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Question: If the pressure switch was bad, wouldn't it pull up codes on the scanner? I ran a scanner and pulled up no codes.
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OHh, are u kidding me the filter is in the dam tranny. In my old mechanic shop, about all the cars we had in for tranny filter changes, and refilling the tranny fuild, was right under the tranny, almost by the front of the car under the engine. The design though is kinda retarted?
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OHh, are u kidding me the filter is in the dam tranny. In my old mechanic shop, about all the cars we had in for tranny filter changes, and refilling the tranny fuild, was right under the tranny, almost by the front of the car under the engine. The design though is kinda retarted?

Well in the TL Tranny it's under the Air Box and on Top of the Tranny very simple to change out not hard at all. I have done mine two times since I bought the car with 41K on it I'm at 75K.

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number 7 is the filter...my tranny fluid has always been changed at the dealer and on the invoice it never says anything about replacing a filter...shouldn't the filter be changed when they drain and refill the tranny???

if i wanted to change the filter is there a lot of fluid loss when changing the filter??
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Originally Posted by StYLeZz101



number 7 is the filter...my tranny fluid has always been changed at the dealer and on the invoice it never says anything about replacing a filter...shouldn't the filter be changed when they drain and refill the tranny???

if i wanted to change the filter is there a lot of fluid loss when changing the filter??
Na not to much at all and yes if you have had your Tranny ATF changed they should change that also it's like doing an Oil change and not changing the Filter. And they are about $9.00



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