The Official 2009 TSX Thread **Unvelied in NY**
#281
Damn, if the new TSX is 250+ HP AWD on the Type-S I'm going to get the car. Regret I sold the car in the first place, but I regretted not having navi in my TSX too I'll get things right the next time around.
#282
Turbo vs V6
Assuming HP is the same, I would probably go for the a V6. Even tho the turbo would probably be lighter, have more torque & better mpg, I do not like that hissing noise that the RDX makes ... so I would probably go for the TL over a turbo TSX.
I hope that Acura has learned from the TL/RL being too similar mistake & make sure that there is enough difference b/n Accord EX, TSX & TL. Honda/Acura has stated in the past that they wanted to end the cross shopping b/n their products...
I hope that Acura has learned from the TL/RL being too similar mistake & make sure that there is enough difference b/n Accord EX, TSX & TL. Honda/Acura has stated in the past that they wanted to end the cross shopping b/n their products...
#283
Ever since I've joined AZ, a lot of people on AZ have said Made in Japan is better than Made in Ohio in terms of quality. If the new TSX is switched and produced in Ohio or Honda Canada instead of Japan would you still buy it?
#284
^ for me J built is over rated....I bought an 04 tsx and 04 v-6 Accord two months apart, both new.....I have had more problems ( two recalls, rattles, bad parts replaced under wty, brakes gone early etc) on the tsx with nothing, nada, on the Accord with more miles.....a sample of one but I would not place J over O...
#285
Originally Posted by TSX69
Assuming HP is the same, I would probably go for the a V6. Even tho the turbo would probably be lighter, have more torque & better mpg, I do not like that hissing noise that the RDX makes ... so I would probably go for the TL over a turbo TSX.
I hope that Acura has learned from the TL/RL being too similar mistake & make sure that there is enough difference b/n Accord EX, TSX & TL. Honda/Acura has stated in the past that they wanted to end the cross shopping b/n their products...
I hope that Acura has learned from the TL/RL being too similar mistake & make sure that there is enough difference b/n Accord EX, TSX & TL. Honda/Acura has stated in the past that they wanted to end the cross shopping b/n their products...
Just curious, but why do you feel the need to change the color of the text when you post?
#286
B/C It's There
Originally Posted by dom
Just curious, but why do you feel the need to change the color of the text when you post?
Also, I like colors to liven things up {even tho black is my favorite color} - in class I bring an 8 pack of colored pens to take notes.
This need for color only applies to certain things mind you, I would never buy a 2 tone leather interior car.
#288
The Acura TSX on sale in Europe (Hnda Accord) in April 2008
I spoke yesterday to an old friend about his european Honda Accord 2.0L, 150 h.p.
You know that the TSX-Accord got in Europe 2 engines: the 2.0l, the 2.4l (190 hp) and a very good diesel version too.
The european Accord is selling SOOO well till now, everywere.
But he went 2 weeks ago to the local dealer and he got the chance to ORDER an all new generation of the Honda Accord (TSX 2009).
The car wasn't even officially presented, only the concept at the Tokyo Auto Show.
He ordered the car without even knowing the technical sheet, or the engine range... That's love.
The official presentation will be on Geneva Auto Show in March 2008.
He is the 231'one guy of a 250 people list for the 2008 year to get the new generation Honda Accord in our town at the beginning of JUNE 2008.
The first happy ones get their car at the beginning of APRIL 2008.
The only differences between the TSX 2009 and the Accord will be the FRONT GRILL, some detail of the interior, the Comby version, the diesel engine, and, I think, the power of the 2.3T.
In Europe we will get a little detuned engine, not the expected 260 h.p., but something around 240 hp...
No words about the Sh AWD, even optional.
You know that the TSX-Accord got in Europe 2 engines: the 2.0l, the 2.4l (190 hp) and a very good diesel version too.
The european Accord is selling SOOO well till now, everywere.
But he went 2 weeks ago to the local dealer and he got the chance to ORDER an all new generation of the Honda Accord (TSX 2009).
The car wasn't even officially presented, only the concept at the Tokyo Auto Show.
He ordered the car without even knowing the technical sheet, or the engine range... That's love.
The official presentation will be on Geneva Auto Show in March 2008.
He is the 231'one guy of a 250 people list for the 2008 year to get the new generation Honda Accord in our town at the beginning of JUNE 2008.
The first happy ones get their car at the beginning of APRIL 2008.
The only differences between the TSX 2009 and the Accord will be the FRONT GRILL, some detail of the interior, the Comby version, the diesel engine, and, I think, the power of the 2.3T.
In Europe we will get a little detuned engine, not the expected 260 h.p., but something around 240 hp...
No words about the Sh AWD, even optional.
#292
Originally Posted by tsxgoogs
I dont know if i would really want another tsx or another acura its not like i did not like my car i think i would just want a change. I was thinking about the new Evo or the new 135i
But the EVO is NOT even comparable in terms of OVERALL building quality to the TSX. The cheap screapy interior, the awful plastic of the Evo X...
It's another kind of car and of market target...
About the eruopean TSX, Accord:
In Europe love little engines with turbo, like the VW 1.4T, the Audi 1.8TFSI... Or the Turbo diesel, 1.9Td, 2.0Td... BUT a 2.3T it seems to me very strange: the fuel is so expensive that maybe USA and Europe will really get different engines.
The 2.4 now get 190 hp, maybe the next one will be a 2.4 T diesel with 220-230 hp...
#293
I'm always surprised to hear people wanting to trade in their TSX's for vehicles with 10G lower stickers and a fraction of the features. Won't miss the heated seats? The XM? The leather? In my mind it kinda sucks getting something that's new and yet worse than what I had before.
#294
Originally Posted by wackura
I'm always surprised to hear people wanting to trade in their TSX's for vehicles with 10G lower stickers and a fraction of the features. Won't miss the heated seats? The XM? The leather? In my mind it kinda sucks getting something that's new and yet worse than what I had before.
The new 2.3T should be nice, but I hope the car doesn't grow too large. I love the size of the current TSX.
#295
Originally Posted by LaZyPiGgY
Same here, my first car was a civic and when I moved up to the TSX and gave the civic to my little brother, I just can't imagine driving around in that car again. TSX was a big upgrade for me in my opinion, even though the TSX is pretty slow, still felt better than the civic.
The new 2.3T should be nice, but I hope the car doesn't grow too large. I love the size of the current TSX.
The new 2.3T should be nice, but I hope the car doesn't grow too large. I love the size of the current TSX.
#296
I'm always surprised to hear people wanting to trade in their TSX's for vehicles with 10G lower stickers and a fraction of the features. Won't miss the heated seats? The XM? The leather? In my mind it kinda sucks getting something that's new and yet worse than what I had before.
If you're referring to the post before yours about the Evo X, it costs MORE than the TSX. It's built for speed, not comfort, so it targets a different deomgraphic.
#297
Originally Posted by TSX69
Assuming HP is the same, I would probably go for the a V6. Even tho the turbo would probably be lighter, have more torque & better mpg, I do not like that hissing noise that the RDX makes ... so I would probably go for the TL over a turbo TSX.
#298
Originally Posted by bbbuzzy
If you're referring to the post before yours about the Evo X, it costs MORE than the TSX. It's built for speed, not comfort, so it targets a different deomgraphic.
#299
Originally Posted by wackura
I'm always surprised to hear people wanting to trade in their TSX's for vehicles with 10G lower stickers and a fraction of the features. Won't miss the heated seats? The XM? The leather? In my mind it kinda sucks getting something that's new and yet worse than what I had before.
The evo does have less features but the evo will cost more like the old one did. I NEVER really use my heated seats actually they are just an annoyance in the summer for stupid friends to use. Xm and Sirius come in almost all cars and i like the non leather seats in the old evos and stis. Also i would dont really need a 4d sedan that is why im thinking about the 135i that car has tsx features+ 300hp and will probably cost about the same as a new tsx or not much more. Also the rwd dosnt really affect me because i dont drive in the snow.
#301
Originally Posted by tsxgoogs
Also i would dont really need a 4d sedan that is why im thinking about the 135i that car has tsx features+ 300hp and will probably cost about the same as a new tsx or not much more. Also the rwd dosnt really affect me because i dont drive in the snow.
A fully loaded 135i is north of $40K. This is even more than a TL type S. This is just speculation, but I hope the next gen TSX can still be had with all it's goodness for under $30K. What's great about a TSX is all the standard features & great value for money.
#302
Originally Posted by TSX69
...Assuming HP is the same, I would probably go for the a V6. Even tho the turbo would probably be lighter, have more torque & better mpg, I do not like that hissing noise that the RDX makes ... so I would probably go for the TL over a turbo TSX.
I never heard the turbo in my Jetta 1.8T unless I started it and then turned the motor off in a garage while it was cold -- then I could hear the turbine spin down.
I never did hear the "blow off" valve. (In the VW setup, the blow-off was actually diverted back into the intake before the MAF -- the MAF has already measured that air, so you can't have a traditional blow-off valve). I'm not sure what the hissing in the Acura 2.3T is from...
#303
Originally Posted by PACman
This is just speculation, but I hope the next gen TSX can still be had with all it's goodness for under $30K. What's great about a TSX is all the standard features & great value for money.
#304
Originally Posted by wackura
I think they get the under $30k price by shorting us a V6. I'll take a V6 model even if it pushes the price over $30K, no problem.
The real base model of the 135 is the 128. All the 135s come with the sport suspension and the twinturbo V6. Fully loaded is probably just a lux package it comes with bmws useless idrive navi system and heated seats. 34k is not a bad price for a rwd lux car that has 300hp that will do 0-60 in 5 sec or faster.
#308
Originally Posted by CGTSX2004
I, on the other hand, would actually much prefer the turbo. Much more potential with minimal cost and effort.
#309
Where did you get the price gap of 8000 tsx w/o navi is 28k with its 30k you think if acura adds a turbo and awd the car is still going to be under 30k your nuts the turbo alone would put the car in to 32-33k range and awd is gunna put the car in 34-35k and it will still be slower then the 135 BASE model for 34k. I dont need all wheel drive so i can do without it also it makes the car weigh more so that hp gain will almost be useless and it will be less fuel efficient other tsxs because its awd.
It seems like i have somthing against the car but somtimes when something new comes out people forget that there are other options.
It seems like i have somthing against the car but somtimes when something new comes out people forget that there are other options.
#311
No tsx is going to cost 35K
the Accord only went up a $1000 with the upgrade to the 3.5L engine from 07 to 08.
I perdict the new tsx will msrp 31K turboed 2wd
and if they do offer a tsx type S sh-awd..it will be probably around 33k. Any higher than that will dip into the tl sales area.
New TL's if offered with sh-awd will probably start at 35K.
Remember this is all just based on my opinion of msrp's. Please feel free to chime in...I love a debate ;-)
the Accord only went up a $1000 with the upgrade to the 3.5L engine from 07 to 08.
I perdict the new tsx will msrp 31K turboed 2wd
and if they do offer a tsx type S sh-awd..it will be probably around 33k. Any higher than that will dip into the tl sales area.
New TL's if offered with sh-awd will probably start at 35K.
Remember this is all just based on my opinion of msrp's. Please feel free to chime in...I love a debate ;-)
#312
^^^ Sorry, no debate here. I think that's a pretty good guess for MSRP...Even though more and more is offered every year, you have to keep in mind the car companies are going to keep the car in the general price range. Some actually drop the MSRP despite adding new features/standard equipment. Pricing is not determined by simply summing up all they give you.
#313
Originally Posted by PACman
135i engine is an inline-6 (twin turbo), NOT V6.
i just had to say it i m sorry, from the very first time when i saw the 128/135. it looks like bmw built a car for frodo and sam to go to mount. doom....
#314
Originally Posted by GenXY2k
the engine is very nice, but is it just me or someone else feel the same about how the car looks?? that car is just butt ugly..... put it next to our tsx, it's even more obvious
i just had to say it i m sorry, from the very first time when i saw the 128/135. it looks like bmw built a car for frodo and sam to go to mount. doom....
i just had to say it i m sorry, from the very first time when i saw the 128/135. it looks like bmw built a car for frodo and sam to go to mount. doom....
Yup, pretty ugly IMO as well.
#315
Originally Posted by GenXY2k
i just had to say it i m sorry, from the very first time when i saw the 128/135. it looks like bmw built a car for frodo and sam to go to mount. doom....
#316
Originally Posted by PACman
Yea, I've seen the 1 series up close at the Auto Show. Looks like the size of a Civic. Inside is so cramped (And I think the current 3 series interior is small).
#317
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Originally Posted by genxy2k
i just had to say it i m sorry, from the very first time when i saw the 128/135. it looks like bmw built a car for frodo and sam to go to mount. doom....
#318
^^IMHO, the 1 is facking ugly. The bright-eyed, happy-to see-you look is so un-BMW its not even funny. I'd buy a used e46 m3 before I buy a 1.
Totally thought of the Nemo analogy when I saw an orange one in a magazine.
Totally thought of the Nemo analogy when I saw an orange one in a magazine.
#319
i also thought the BMW 1 series was very ugly, saw it at the LA Auto show
TSX @ $35k? craziness! When's the last time a car went up that much? if it would differ so much in price, i would think they would release it under a different name all together...
TSX @ $35k? craziness! When's the last time a car went up that much? if it would differ so much in price, i would think they would release it under a different name all together...
#320
Nodody is saying the TSX will cost that much, only that they might be forced to sell it for that if they suped it up with RWD and a V6 or turbo, and that it's unlikely to happen ensuring a price closer to $33 at the most.
The front of that BMW looks scared. Maybe it's realy just a foil to get people onto the lot and into a more expensive car.
The front of that BMW looks scared. Maybe it's realy just a foil to get people onto the lot and into a more expensive car.