Damn, if the new TSX is 250+ HP AWD on the Type-S I'm going to get the car. Regret I sold the car in the first place, but I regretted not having navi in my TSX too I'll get things right the next time around.

 

Assuming HP is the same, I would probably go for the a V6. Even tho the turbo would probably be lighter, have more torque & better mpg, I do not like that hissing noise that the RDX makes ... so I would probably go for the TL over a turbo TSX.

I hope that Acura has learned from the TL/RL being too similar mistake & make sure that there is enough difference b/n Accord EX, TSX & TL. Honda/Acura has stated in the past that they wanted to end the cross shopping b/n their products...

 

Ever since I've joined AZ, a lot of people on AZ have said Made in Japan is better than Made in Ohio in terms of quality. If the new TSX is switched and produced in Ohio or Honda Canada instead of Japan would you still buy it?

 

^ for me J built is over rated....I bought an 04 tsx and 04 v-6 Accord two months apart, both new.....I have had more problems ( two recalls, rattles, bad parts replaced under wty, brakes gone early etc) on the tsx with nothing, nada, on the Accord with more miles.....a sample of one but I would not place J over O...

 

Just curious, but why do you feel the need to change the color of the text when you post?

 

Mostly bc the option to change font & color is there - so might as well use it.

Also, I like colors to liven things up {even tho black is my favorite color} - in class I bring an 8 pack of colored pens to take notes.

This need for color only applies to certain things mind you, I would never buy a 2 tone leather interior car.

 

lol....Fair enough.

 

I spoke yesterday to an old friend about his european Honda Accord 2.0L, 150 h.p.
You know that the TSX-Accord got in Europe 2 engines: the 2.0l, the 2.4l (190 hp) and a very good diesel version too.
The european Accord is selling SOOO well till now, everywere.
But he went 2 weeks ago to the local dealer and he got the chance to ORDER an all new generation of the Honda Accord (TSX 2009).
The car wasn't even officially presented, only the concept at the Tokyo Auto Show.
He ordered the car without even knowing the technical sheet, or the engine range... That's love.
The official presentation will be on Geneva Auto Show in March 2008.
He is the 231'one guy of a 250 people list for the 2008 year to get the new generation Honda Accord in our town at the beginning of JUNE 2008.
The first happy ones get their car at the beginning of APRIL 2008.
The only differences between the TSX 2009 and the Accord will be the FRONT GRILL, some detail of the interior, the Comby version, the diesel engine, and, I think, the power of the 2.3T.
In Europe we will get a little detuned engine, not the expected 260 h.p., but something around 240 hp...
No words about the Sh AWD, even optional.

 

this needs to be added to the official 2009 tsx thread.
good info

 

Here's to wishing we get a turbo TSX that we can mod.

 

I dont know if i would really want another tsx or another acura its not like i did not like my car i think i would just want a change. I was thinking about the new Evo or the new 135i

 

I could undestand in terms of speed, perfomance and funny. And the 135 is a 3 doors coupe not a sedan.
But the EVO is NOT even comparable in terms of OVERALL building quality to the TSX. The cheap screapy interior, the awful plastic of the Evo X...
It's another kind of car and of market target...

About the eruopean TSX, Accord:
In Europe love little engines with turbo, like the VW 1.4T, the Audi 1.8TFSI... Or the Turbo diesel, 1.9Td, 2.0Td... BUT a 2.3T it seems to me very strange: the fuel is so expensive that maybe USA and Europe will really get different engines.
The 2.4 now get 190 hp, maybe the next one will be a 2.4 T diesel with 220-230 hp...

 

I'm always surprised to hear people wanting to trade in their TSX's for vehicles with 10G lower stickers and a fraction of the features. Won't miss the heated seats? The XM? The leather? In my mind it kinda sucks getting something that's new and yet worse than what I had before.

 

Same here, my first car was a civic and when I moved up to the TSX and gave the civic to my little brother, I just can't imagine driving around in that car again. TSX was a big upgrade for me in my opinion, even though the TSX is pretty slow, still felt better than the civic.

The new 2.3T should be nice, but I hope the car doesn't grow too large. I love the size of the current TSX.

 

I think it will not be much longer of the current model, but wider, oh wider yes, it will be for sure. It's the mania of the car makers. Look at the new A4: 12 cm longer (!!!) and 5 cm wider...

 

If you're referring to the post before yours about the Evo X, it costs MORE than the TSX. It's built for speed, not comfort, so it targets a different deomgraphic.

 

I, on the other hand, would actually much prefer the turbo. Much more potential with minimal cost and effort.

 

Not specifically, for every "so long suckers" post where someone is moving up the ladder in another post someone is moving down. I often can't even imagine what thought and logic brought them to make the decision they did, either in buying a TSX to begin with or in what they chose next. I put months and months of thought into my car choice but some people seemingly make up their mind in the space of red light and then come back a short time later to say "I want nothing like the TSX! I want a pickup truck! Or a race car!"

 

The evo does have less features but the evo will cost more like the old one did. I NEVER really use my heated seats actually they are just an annoyance in the summer for stupid friends to use. Xm and Sirius come in almost all cars and i like the non leather seats in the old evos and stis. Also i would dont really need a 4d sedan that is why im thinking about the 135i that car has tsx features+ 300hp and will probably cost about the same as a new tsx or not much more. Also the rwd dosnt really affect me because i dont drive in the snow.

 

That sux. I was excited to see a new CL for a minute.

 

A base 135i is priced way over a currently new TSX.



A fully loaded 135i is north of $40K. This is even more than a TL type S. This is just speculation, but I hope the next gen TSX can still be had with all it's goodness for under $30K. What's great about a TSX is all the standard features & great value for money.

 

Maybe that's a kink Honda will work out.

I never heard the turbo in my Jetta 1.8T unless I started it and then turned the motor off in a garage while it was cold -- then I could hear the turbine spin down.

I never did hear the "blow off" valve. (In the VW setup, the blow-off was actually diverted back into the intake before the MAF -- the MAF has already measured that air, so you can't have a traditional blow-off valve). I'm not sure what the hissing in the Acura 2.3T is from...

 

I think they get the under $30k price by shorting us a V6. I'll take a V6 model even if it pushes the price over $30K, no problem.

 

You also must take into account that the tsx with the turbo, awd and maybe navi standard, will be the type s model and will deffinatly be way above 30k because if the the type s was under 30k nobody would touch Hondas more important car the accord.
The real base model of the 135 is the 128. All the 135s come with the sport suspension and the twinturbo V6. Fully loaded is probably just a lux package it comes with bmws useless idrive navi system and heated seats. 34k is not a bad price for a rwd lux car that has 300hp that will do 0-60 in 5 sec or faster.

 

135i engine is an inline-6 (twin turbo), NOT V6.

 

If you gave a TSX turbo or a V6 I'm sure it will still cost less that a 135. I'm no automotive engineer but with a price gap of more $8000 it's a no brainer.

 

How did you get $8000

 

i agree. engine is lighter, possible hondata chip for more hp/tq, still retains honda's best 4-cyl! i hope it's still imported from japan i can't wait to next spring...

 

Where did you get the price gap of 8000 tsx w/o navi is 28k with its 30k you think if acura adds a turbo and awd the car is still going to be under 30k your nuts the turbo alone would put the car in to 32-33k range and awd is gunna put the car in 34-35k and it will still be slower then the 135 BASE model for 34k. I dont need all wheel drive so i can do without it also it makes the car weigh more so that hp gain will almost be useless and it will be less fuel efficient other tsxs because its awd.

It seems like i have somthing against the car but somtimes when something new comes out people forget that there are other options.

 

Right, hypothetical $35K fully loaded TSX versus a base 135 for $35K. I like features. You can write it off by saying the BMW nav sucks but in the end the TSX has a nav and the BMW wouldn't. I like features.

 

No tsx is going to cost 35K
the Accord only went up a $1000 with the upgrade to the 3.5L engine from 07 to 08.
I perdict the new tsx will msrp 31K turboed 2wd
and if they do offer a tsx type S sh-awd..it will be probably around 33k. Any higher than that will dip into the tl sales area.
New TL's if offered with sh-awd will probably start at 35K.

Remember this is all just based on my opinion of msrp's. Please feel free to chime in...I love a debate ;-)

 

^^^ Sorry, no debate here. I think that's a pretty good guess for MSRP...Even though more and more is offered every year, you have to keep in mind the car companies are going to keep the car in the general price range. Some actually drop the MSRP despite adding new features/standard equipment. Pricing is not determined by simply summing up all they give you.

 

the engine is very nice, but is it just me or someone else feel the same about how the car looks?? that car is just butt ugly..... put it next to our tsx, it's even more obvious

i just had to say it i m sorry, from the very first time when i saw the 128/135. it looks like bmw built a car for frodo and sam to go to mount. doom....

 

Yup, pretty ugly IMO as well.

 

Yea, I've seen the 1 series up close at the Auto Show. Looks like the size of a Civic. Inside is so cramped (And I think the current 3 series interior is small).

 

Its the same size as the E36 body style 3 series from the 90s the new 3 series is alot bigger then the one from the 90s cus my bros 335 convert is alot bigger then my friends E36 M3 and the M was the same body as the 325 with a bigger engine. I think 135 looks hot we dont even know what the new tsx will look like and from the pics that ive seen there is strong posiblility that it will look like ass but thats my

 

(Googles for an image) Holy crap, maybe a 135 is what I saw a coupla nights ago. A Bimmer came up from behind me, with blue circles for headlights, and some wimpy inner headlights on. I thought, "Man, is that Disney Captain Nemo Nautilus look uuuuugleeeee on that, someone just RUINED a BMW with aftermarket gewgaws." Maybe that's the stock look? If so,

 

^^IMHO, the 1 is facking ugly. The bright-eyed, happy-to see-you look is so un-BMW its not even funny. I'd buy a used e46 m3 before I buy a 1.

Totally thought of the Nemo analogy when I saw an orange one in a magazine.

 

i also thought the BMW 1 series was very ugly, saw it at the LA Auto show

TSX @ $35k? craziness! When's the last time a car went up that much? if it would differ so much in price, i would think they would release it under a different name all together...

 

Nodody is saying the TSX will cost that much, only that they might be forced to sell it for that if they suped it up with RWD and a V6 or turbo, and that it's unlikely to happen ensuring a price closer to $33 at the most.

The front of that BMW looks scared. Maybe it's realy just a foil to get people onto the lot and into a more expensive car.