The Official 2009 TSX Thread **Unvelied in NY**
#362
#363
Originally Posted by davidspalding
...was that the TSX was an upscale fun to drive car comparable to its competitors in accoutrements, fit, finish, and driveability, but with a significant savings....
BTW, for those wondering, the new TSX is practically all but confirmed for launch around April-May 08. You'll see the launch at Geneva Auto Show in March and hopefully more spy pics before then!
#364
Originally Posted by davidspalding
I think you're right ... for one market segment ... but not all.
When I was reading road test reviews and such, one of a few things that consistently got said, repeatedly, was that the TSX was an upscale fun to drive car comparable to its competitors in accoutrements, fit, finish, and driveability, but with a significant savings. Making it, ahem (thumps desk), a superior value. One review of the RSX was titled "Champagne performance on a beer budget." Again, you could be 100% right about the performance and configuration and how it lines up with Bimmers, Audis, VWs, et al, but if the invoice price then increases to match those, the TSX loses this important sales advantage. Wave your hands all you like, guys, but TCO is something the TSX has the lead in.
When I was reading road test reviews and such, one of a few things that consistently got said, repeatedly, was that the TSX was an upscale fun to drive car comparable to its competitors in accoutrements, fit, finish, and driveability, but with a significant savings. Making it, ahem (thumps desk), a superior value. One review of the RSX was titled "Champagne performance on a beer budget." Again, you could be 100% right about the performance and configuration and how it lines up with Bimmers, Audis, VWs, et al, but if the invoice price then increases to match those, the TSX loses this important sales advantage. Wave your hands all you like, guys, but TCO is something the TSX has the lead in.
#366
Originally Posted by tsxgoogs
I know ive beat this to death but the 135i has 300hp at the wheels not even at the flywheel thats sweet!
Other than that, it's a nice coupe for $40,000.
#367
Originally Posted by tsxgoogs
I know ive beat this to death but the 135i has 300hp at the wheels not even at the flywheel thats sweet!
It's been talked about plenty of times on BMW boards that the N54 cranks out in reality ~320HP. Why BMW advertises 300HP? Perhaps not to crunch into e46 M3 sales (In the U.S. - 333HP). I think we'll see future 335i advertised specs in the 320HP range when the e90/92 M3 gets released.
#368
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Originally Posted by CarbonGray Earl
I dunno....while I agree that Acura's gotta take that leap to AWD/RWD for the sake of the market, I personally am not fooled by it. I still like my 4-cylinder, high revving, FWD compact sedan.
For relatively lightweight compacts, I feel AWD/RWD is superflous and adds unnecessary weight.
For relatively lightweight compacts, I feel AWD/RWD is superflous and adds unnecessary weight.
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Eagerly waiting.. this is my 1st post... I'm debating between an 09 or a 08 on clearance when I purchase a new one in April 08. It's a tuff call. I'm sure the new one will look new, fresh, and aggressive, but I will be able to get below invoice on the 08, plus very good financing rates. The 09 will go for sticker and rates will be upwards of 6 or 7 %. What would you do in my case?
#373
Hey Mods and Admin, are we going to have generation specific subforums with the 2009 coming up? I personally think we should.
#374
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Originally Posted by CarbonGray Earl
Hey Mods and Admin, are we going to have generation specific subforums with the 2009 coming up? I personally think we should.
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Originally Posted by PACman
^^Be a bit weary on 1st year models, because they tend to have bugs that would be worked out in subsequent years.
We'll see how the 09 shapes up.. can't wait for real pics. The Frankfurt Accord Tourer Concept was sweet overall. I really like the modernized, muscular look. I just didn't like the massive rear taillamps. Hopefully the 09 TSX sedan will have a more toned down rear.
#377
Auf Wiedersehen Acura & Honda! Tired of waiting for you to come to your senses, I ordered a BMW 328xi Sedan, Montego Blue, Dakota Black & Aluminum, Premium, Sport, Xenon, Comfort Access, iPod, Heated Seats for delivery by Valentine's Day. $2,500 off Sticker, shade under $500 for a 36 month, 15K per year lease with $0 Maintenance, $0 Down (TTL only) and only a $100 bump in my insurance. Sayonara to the Honda dealers who requested 2K over sticker for the 08 Accord Coupe! Sayonara to the Acura dealers who quoted over $500 for a 08 TL-S lease! See you in 2010 to check out the MMC TL & TSX!
#378
Originally Posted by cg2006TSX
Auf Wiedersehen Acura & Honda! Tired of waiting for you to come to your senses, I ordered a BMW 328xi Sedan, Montego Blue, Dakota Black & Aluminum, Premium, Sport, Xenon, Comfort Access, iPod, Heated Seats for delivery by Valentine's Day. $2,500 off Sticker, shade under $500 for a 36 month, 15K per year lease with $0 Maintenance, $0 Down (TTL only) and only a $100 bump in my insurance. Sayonara to the Honda dealers who requested 2K over sticker for the 08 Accord Coupe! Sayonara to the Acura dealers who quoted over $500 for a 08 TL-S lease! See you in 2010 to check out the MMC TL & TSX!
#379
Originally Posted by cg2006TSX
Auf Wiedersehen Acura & Honda! Tired of waiting for you to come to your senses, I ordered a BMW 328xi Sedan, Montego Blue, Dakota Black & Aluminum, Premium, Sport, Xenon, Comfort Access, iPod, Heated Seats for delivery by Valentine's Day. $2,500 off Sticker, shade under $500 for a 36 month, 15K per year lease with $0 Maintenance, $0 Down (TTL only) and only a $100 bump in my insurance. Sayonara to the Honda dealers who requested 2K over sticker for the 08 Accord Coupe! Sayonara to the Acura dealers who quoted over $500 for a 08 TL-S lease! See you in 2010 to check out the MMC TL & TSX!
One and only post, just to say you bought BMW?
Troll.
#380
I'm getting tired of the BMW comparisons. The highest priced Honda/Acura barely gets you the lowest priced BMW. Some jerk complains about invoice dickering for a $30k car so instead buys a $40k car. Oh, the hardships we face. Why God, why?!?!!?
#381
Originally Posted by cg2006TSX
Auf Wiedersehen Acura & Honda! Tired of waiting for you to come to your senses, I ordered a BMW 328xi Sedan, Montego Blue, Dakota Black & Aluminum, Premium, Sport, Xenon, Comfort Access, iPod, Heated Seats for delivery by Valentine's Day. $2,500 off Sticker, shade under $500 for a 36 month, 15K per year lease with $0 Maintenance, $0 Down (TTL only) and only a $100 bump in my insurance. Sayonara to the Honda dealers who requested 2K over sticker for the 08 Accord Coupe! Sayonara to the Acura dealers who quoted over $500 for a 08 TL-S lease! See you in 2010 to check out the MMC TL & TSX!
not enough money for buying a 335xi...? what's a pity.
The cheap interior of the BMW 1 and 3 series is a shame. The plastic and the ridicoulus central console. (Audi teachs...).
However.
I was sure that the TSX 2009 will be presented at the Detroit Motor Show. Maybe with a concept, maybe a photo, a hint, a something... before the Geneva show 2008. Nothing. Only silence. It means that Acura will present the TL (cincept) and the TSX (production) at the same time in New York?? Weird...
#382
Originally Posted by odessa
One and only post, just to say you bought BMW?
Troll.
Troll.
#383
^^good for you, man of action. Though this is an Acura forum, I think your complaints about model release are best answered by talking to Acura Customer service. Doing it here is like pounding sand.
Man of action, work smarter, not harder.
Man of action, work smarter, not harder.
#384
Originally Posted by wackura
I'm getting tired of the BMW comparisons. The highest priced Honda/Acura barely gets you the lowest priced BMW. Some jerk complains about invoice dickering for a $30k car so instead buys a $40k car. Oh, the hardships we face. Why God, why?!?!!?
#385
Originally Posted by krio
not enough money for buying a 335xi...? what's a pity.
The cheap interior of the BMW 1 and 3 series is a shame. The plastic and the ridicoulus central console. (Audi teachs...).
However.
I was sure that the TSX 2009 will be presented at the Detroit Motor Show. Maybe with a concept, maybe a photo, a hint, a something... before the Geneva show 2008. Nothing. Only silence. It means that Acura will present the TL (cincept) and the TSX (production) at the same time in New York?? Weird...
The cheap interior of the BMW 1 and 3 series is a shame. The plastic and the ridicoulus central console. (Audi teachs...).
However.
I was sure that the TSX 2009 will be presented at the Detroit Motor Show. Maybe with a concept, maybe a photo, a hint, a something... before the Geneva show 2008. Nothing. Only silence. It means that Acura will present the TL (cincept) and the TSX (production) at the same time in New York?? Weird...
#386
Originally Posted by CarbonGray Earl
^^good for you, man of action. Though this is an Acura forum, I think your complaints about model release are best answered by talking to Acura Customer service. Doing it here is like pounding sand.
Man of action, work smarter, not harder.
Man of action, work smarter, not harder.
#387
^^still get a Who Cares from me. Sure its your last post, but I'm sure you're gonna read this. I buy a car for the car, not to send a message to a company.
I could care less that you got a BMW, but congrats anyways. I've had BMWs in the past, so maybe you finally discovering BMWs (to spite Acura somehow) is old news to me.
Thanks for your thoughts....now back to speculation on the 2009 TSX.
I could care less that you got a BMW, but congrats anyways. I've had BMWs in the past, so maybe you finally discovering BMWs (to spite Acura somehow) is old news to me.
Thanks for your thoughts....now back to speculation on the 2009 TSX.
#388
Originally Posted by cg2006TSX
The 335xi is certainly sweet, making it was a very tough call, but the 328 is by no means a slow car and a better overall fit for me. Personally, I'm more into how a car handles in the twists of Westchester as opposed to straight line acceleration. Second, I love the interior of the BMW 3 series. It is spartan as any car with sporty intentions should be, and the quality of the materials are terrific. I once owned an Audi A6 Avant, so I can attest to the quality and ergonomics their interiors, but nothing compares to the Sport seats/steering wheel in a Bimmer!
The TL has very good seats, and the TSX too.
The sporty spartan interiors? Look at the interior of Audi, is 10 times better (and the quality of the Acura RL too).
In Europe BMW models of Bangels were all the time prised for the driving, but much criticized for the strange exterior shapes, and the cheap look of the interior, (Autocar, Quattroruote, Car Magazine, Autobild).
I have tried the seats of the BMW 6 and of the BMW5. They look great. Just look.
I prefer the seats of the TL...
#389
Originally Posted by CarbonGray Earl
^^still get a Who Cares from me. Sure its your last post, but I'm sure you're gonna read this. I buy a car for the car, not to send a message to a company.
I could care less that you got a BMW, but congrats anyways. I've had BMWs in the past, so maybe you finally discovering BMWs (to spite Acura somehow) is old news to me.
Thanks for your thoughts....now back to speculation on the 2009 TSX.
I could care less that you got a BMW, but congrats anyways. I've had BMWs in the past, so maybe you finally discovering BMWs (to spite Acura somehow) is old news to me.
Thanks for your thoughts....now back to speculation on the 2009 TSX.
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agreed... speculation is fun.... like the 1st spy pic.. and the first production photo leak. Like the latest video game console or macbook... All I can say is that while BMW's are top-notch in theory, it is the honda products that stay fast and steady over time like the tortoise, whereas the BMW is like the hare that sometimes hibernates at your local BMW dealer. Sure they give you free maintenance, sure they give you a loaner stripper 328 or X3, but I'd much rather be in the comfort and sterility of my own car day in and day out. I'll take the TSX over the 328, and will finance it at the same monthly payment as your highness and actually own something at the end rather than be left with an inflated ego of what I did flash around for 36 months and 15k mi. a year.
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Originally Posted by cg2006TSX
I have purchased a fair number of Honda and Acura models, including two Civics, an Accord, an Integra and a TSX. When your sales are down 25%, as Acura's are for 2007, it is more than simply the economy. Former Acura owners are buying other luxury brands, and Honda owners are not stepping up to Acura, they are stepping up to other luxury brands. Acura made a big splash with the TL and MDX, which provided good value and advanced electronics. Today, those same electronics are dated and other luxury car manufacturers have introduced product to fill the gaps. Anyone who is considering TSX or TL, such as myself, would be foolish not to consider BMW, or for that matter, Audi or Infiniti, on the high end. At the low end, Detroit, Toyota, Nissan and Honda themselves offer compelling product that matches or exceeds Acura's offerings. This will be my last post for Acurazine, so the message is clear. Acura needed to step up the plate, introduce SH-AWD in the TSX and TL in combination with further advancements in technology, and wrap it in eye-opening sheet metal by the summer of 2007. With the product in place, improving the Acura dealer experience to the level of other luxury car manufacturers would have completed the puzzle for Acura to make a run at luxury car status. Unfortunately, Acura has not done any of the above, therefore I am no longer interested in Acura.
BTW, you're making yourself sound like a huge asshole in the few posts you've made.
#393
I hate just about every American make there is but I don't create accounts on their forums and write long winded diatribes about how they all feel like cheap rental cars. A person who does must have free time on a level I'll never know.
#394
This person must have alot of time to be a member to a forum for a car he dosnt even own anymore it might be time to move on to the BMW forums. However personally i dont think i will buy a new acura but i am interested to see the way it looks and the its features it will have and i have time to wait for my options because i dont plan on getting a new car for a year or so
#396
he does sound like an asshole. now let him join the other asshole bmw owners.
by the way. what's the difference between a porcupine and a bmw? the porcupine's PRICKS are on the outside.
by the way. what's the difference between a porcupine and a bmw? the porcupine's PRICKS are on the outside.
Originally Posted by LuvMyTSX
How can you say they haven't done any of the things you think they should do when the new models aren't even out yet? How do you know?
BTW, you're making yourself sound like a huge asshole in the few posts you've made.
BTW, you're making yourself sound like a huge asshole in the few posts you've made.
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yo cg2006tsx how about you go to the bmw forums and talk about how nice the interior is because none of us want to hear your crap. So have fun debating with them and i hope they eat you alive as well for being a retard!!
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just went to the chicago auto show website and acura isn't showing the new TSX neither the new TL. isn't both car's brand new model coming out close to the Feb. chicago auto show? what is honda doing?
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Originally Posted by GenXY2k
just went to the chicago auto show website and acura isn't showing the new TSX neither the new TL. isn't both car's brand new model coming out close to the Feb. chicago auto show? what is honda doing?
So, it won't be long now. <3 months to go