davidspalding

Um ... then how did the TSX make the list 3 years in a row? The last one has an image of the minor mod 2006 with foglights.

LuvMyTSX

I think it also qualifies for the next year as long as it makes the list for the current year. Once it falls off the list, it's not eligible again until a redesign or MMC, IIRC.

dom

It made the cut in 04, 05 and 06. When it didn't make the cut in 07 the 08 was automatically ineligible. Now that's its been completely re designed its eligible once again. The 06 was only a minor change so that didn't effect its eligibility.

dom

What does MMC stand for again? If the 05 TSX didn't make the list, the 06 would not have been eligible. It wasn't enough of a change.

Colin

Sorry I wasn't more clear, previous winners are invited back. But you can only get in on the first year after release.

Infamous425

yeah they really cheaped out on the doors while the tsx has silver/gray painted plastic everywhere just like a civic

Zeeshan

what pains ME most is that they took away from the TSX the thing i love most about it and what sold me on the car originally....the touchscreen nav!

they went with the non touchscreen garbage the mdx has. i hate it. boo for Acura!

Colin

For crying out loud, its not like there weren't three strips of painted silver plastic in the G1 cars.....

Colin

MMC= Mid Model Change or Minor Model Change. The '05 did make the list and that's why the '06 was invited back. C & D says that the car must have a significant upgrade to get back on the list if it falls off. Unfortunately the definition of this is subjective. Sometimes a MMC will get you back on and sometimes not...

HondaAcura83

I love my touchscreen

Mokos23

yeah no more touchscreens for honda/acura, if you want touchscreen and knob, you got to go elsewhere. nissan/infiniti have touchscreen and dial controls for their navis

Craig-D

I'm not sure what C&D's testing methods are, but I assume they are unchanged from the test of the 1st Gen. Thus relatively speaking, it's faster than the original within their testing parameters. Further C&D got .85g skidpad performace that beats the original's, which I believe was around .79g. So it corners better. The only area in which there was no improvement was stopping. Both stop from 70 in 181 feet. But wait! The second gen is bigger and heavier, so actually if it stops in the same distance despite it's greater mass, that's actually an improvement too. Lastly, the 2nd gen gets better gas mileage despite greater mass.

Craig-D

Sigh, yet another person criticizing the TSX who likely hasn't sat in or driven a TSX. The '09 doors have preforated leather on the door inserts and nicely-padded smooth leather armrests. Silver painted plastic is on the door pulls and on decorative strips going up each side of the center stack and dividing the upper and lower sections of the dash - rather large pieces that only something like a Bentley would have had made of all metal. The materials inside are top notch and feel good to the touch.

dom

Wasn't really disagreeing with you...and I'll say again.

Any all new model should have the better of the prev gen. This shouldn't be a surprise.

But I'll also be very surprised if we ever see 6.7 again.

Unless they were tested on the same day at the same track by the same driver, no the parameters were not the same. But I'm sure the 09 would still be quicker.

Not sure if you have the Aug C&D yet but have a look at the letters. A reader was wondering why a certain car (can't remember which) had different results in C&D's various tests. They claim there are 19 variables that factor in so results will vary, even after corrections.

Craig-D

I assume that even if the 6.7 figure was accurate, it requires beating up the car in a way neither I nor any other real-world driver would do. I'm basically happy if a car is sub-8 seconds to 60. I'm a bit old for drag racing, so I just really need to keep up with traffic and have good power up hills. My real-world experience is that my TSX feels stronger and faster than the 5 speed manual '96 Probe GT it replaced, which was a 7.5 second car.

The latest C&D issue I have is the one with the TSX feature, which I think is July. I feel like that one just came, so I'm surprised August is out already. Maybe Canada gets issues sooner? Or perhaps my August issue will be in the mailbox when I get home.

dom

Ya, the 0-60 argument should really be moot. I don't care for it too much either. I either get my issues later than everyone else or earlier. August came early this month, got it on Tuesday. Not a bad issue either. Z06 vs Viper ACR vs GT2 vs GTR.

Infamous425

no need to cry its just a car

Infamous425

sigh, yet another person assuming someone hasnt sat or driven the 09 TSX

Craig-D

Well then it must have been the European Accord you sat in, which I understand is a little different inside. Because as someone who owns and sits in the '09 TSX every day, I can assure you the interior materials are not cheap. Soft leather and nicely grained plastics abound. I've never sat in a G35, so I can't compare the two, but the TSX is on par with the Lexus IS, Audi A4, and BMX 3 series inside - with the exception of offering more interior room then all three.

Colin

Is that the best reply you have for my assertion that the gray/silver plastic is the same and thus it's not a good example of the interior 'cheaping out?"

MrHeeltoe

iTrader: (1)

With threads like this I am beginning to wonder why I read car magazines.

Mokos23

Infamous425

so you go off on me for assuming i never sat/drove a tsx yet you're here admitting you've never sat in a g35. ok.

Infamous425

real wood/aluminum > painted plastic everywhere

Craig-D

Not sure I see your point. I never commented on the interior quality or anything else about the G35, so what difference does it make whether I ever sat in one?

Colin

I'd have to put that in the 'duh' category. But my statement still stands. How can the plastic in the 2009 be any cheaper than the plastic in the '04-'08?

Craig-D

Agreed. But then a vehicle costing thousands more when comparably equipped to another model had better be better appointed inside and have a better drivetrain to justify the cost premium , no?

chibianh

Maybe I just don't pay enough attention, but I don't really notice whether one interior 'feels cheaper' than the other. I have a G37 S coupe and TSX in the garage.

Infamous425

i never said it was any cheaper than the 1st gen. someone pointed out the cheap plastic doors (yeah doors) in a G35 while the tsx has painted plastic everywhere (yeah everywhere)

Infamous425

agreed. but when an automaker is making claims to be a tier1 brand they should be using some real stuff or at least differentiate the plastics from a civic

Colin

Its certainly not everywhere, but how is that a negative on the TSX now?

Colin

Acura has never claimed to be a Tier 1 brand. They have stated the goal of becoming a Tier 1 brand. Assuming they made this commitment when Fukui made the statement, it was far too late to affect the outcome of the TSX (or new TL) as these cars were well along in their development.

[R]isque'

Not to mention Honda make their money by selling awesome cars for relatively cheap. We get a whole load of car for little $$$.

silverrex

If I never owned one, I would, and that is exactly what I did in 04 and fell in love with it.

I dont need to test drive the one, not because I doubt its performence and handling improvements, but because for a new model, the improvement was just not enough to warrant a trade up.

if I had a TL and trading up to a TLS (manual) now that would make more sense but the 1st and 2nd gen tsx is no where near that kind of change.

that is why the conclusion stands, for new buyer, the TSX will continue to win people over, but it has also lost some thing to the 1st gen owners.

In my city, the TLS currently is the cheapest to lease comparing to other great cars like 335i, G, IS, C class. quite tempting

Anyways I'll continue to be happy with my 04 until a turbo/SHAWD comes out.

Here is a better picture if everyone still confused what im trying to say.

Imagine back in 04 I bought a 1000 sqf house. am I going to sell and move into a new house just because it's a tad bigger say 1100 sqf? no, because I would expect to move up to at least 1600-2000 sqf before even consdering it. And for those who was never in the market for a house, getting in to a 1100 sqf house makes all the sense in the world.

Before you can say, hey dude, you cant compare it like that, well im simply telling you whats on the minds of the 1st gen owners. We are not shooting down the 09, but rather we are disappointed because it was good instead of great

09TSX

silverrex....I think your best line was the fact that you are disappointed with the 09 TSX because it was only GOOD instead of GREAT. That, I can certainly understand but also keep in mind that your expectations of the 09 may have been higher than others, so in their eyes, the 09 is GREAT. I was an 06 owner until last Thursday where I picked up my 09. Do I think the 09 is better than 06?? Of course, otherwise, my 06 would still be in my garage instead of my 09. This morning, I drove by the dealership and saw my 06 in the used lot, did I feel like I made a mistake...NOPE....My g/f is so sick of me just getting super excited everytime I turn the key and take the 09 for a drive and rave as to how happy I am. For the short time I have had my TSX, I get ALOT of head turning and people telling me what a great ride I have...maybe the aerokit on pwp makes a bit of difference...point being, I love the exterior looks, I like the smoother and less harsh ride, I like the extra room, I love the feel of the new steering and just how more refined this TSX feels. Maybe I was getting tired of the sportier/stiffer ride and this difference in ride to me, justifies the purchase...different ride feel, different sheet metal, different interior layout, improved pick up at lower speed....thats improvement enough for me. Going from an 04 to an 08 for the ipod connection for example, that would have been the analogy of your 1000sqft vs 1100 but I think this 09 TSX is the full 1600 Don't get wrong, I am not trying to dicredit your statement at all...I dislike how people get their panties in a knot everytime people say something the other doesn't agree with. I am just saying that for some (like myself and several others here)...the 09 TSX will offer something that they feel is far superior than the previous generation, for others, it won't.....Its not a big deal. The same will happen for the TL, the same happened when the Lexus went through its changes a few years ago or when the BMW changed its sheet metal in 2006. We can appreciate we live in a world where there is lots of diversity and the ability to pick and chose what we like....there used to be a time I loved blonds...recently, brunettes are starting to tun me on again

VTEC Racer

So you are telling me that the TL-S can be leased for less than the $298/mo lease deal Lexus of Canada has going for the IS? Somehow I find that VERY find to believe. There is no doubt that the TL-S can be had for a great deal, but less than an IS? Give me a break. The TL is five years old while the rest of the competition is two years old or younger and it still manages to sell in great numbers.

jackspat2

I was in a parking lot with my brother a few days ago and I pointed across the parking lot to an 09 TSX. He said, "Saturn has a TSX?". I said no, that's Acura's new design. True story.

09TSX

Good one...never heard that one before......

And which model would this look like?? The ion?

http://www.flickr.com/photos/27992672@N03/2611969406/

Like I said, no harm in your comment...I am used to them by now on this forum, but when you drive around in this puppy, you get none of these comments....

[R]isque'

So you are spinning crap about a car you haven't driven?

I honestly don't know WTF people were expecting???

Honda gave us a car that works better in every way. It is quieter, more powerful, uses less fuel, has more features standard, handles better, is quicker, has way more grip, just plain works better, and COSTS LESS.

My CU2 shits all over my old CL9 in every way. Our Euro CL9 didn't have the power your TSX CL9 had, so the power difference is heaps noticable, despite the extra weight.

You make some very good points. I agree, if I still had my CL9, I wouldn't trade it on a CU2. I would want something heaps different like RWD/AWD turbo. I would think the BMW boys were the same with the E46 320i and E92 320i. They're different models, but the same car.

It is easy to bag the CU2, especially if you are never intending to get one. I guess that is what all you guys are doing.