Tranny Failure Thread
#3002
sure-
the easy way is open the hood and look at bolts on transmission
if the bolt heads are painted BLUE thats an acura warranty unit
If the external oil jet kit is in the normal atf filler hole on top center of trans -you have a pre 2005 replacement
after mid 2005 a new case was used with that part moved internal and better oil passages were cast. Those have a large bolt with ATF stamped on it-thats the filler hole
call acura and register as owner- ck recalls and ask warranty history
1- 800 382 2238x5 need cars vin
the easy way is open the hood and look at bolts on transmission
if the bolt heads are painted BLUE thats an acura warranty unit
If the external oil jet kit is in the normal atf filler hole on top center of trans -you have a pre 2005 replacement
after mid 2005 a new case was used with that part moved internal and better oil passages were cast. Those have a large bolt with ATF stamped on it-thats the filler hole
call acura and register as owner- ck recalls and ask warranty history
1- 800 382 2238x5 need cars vin
#3003
this is the TL forum, you will get more info on the CL threads.. specific to your model
#3004
I had the same issue. I put about 15K in 15 months on a rebuild and then it failed (I had a 12/12 warranty). The worse part about the way it happened to me was there were no signs the tranny was going like the first time. It just died on me while driving (like two hours away from home). I have about 2K on the new rebuild and so far no problems. I'll be done with this car soon though. I already have a replacement car and I figure since I've spent so much on trannys I have to use the car a little more before getting rid of it.
My plan once the tranny originally blew up was to dump the car when the rebuild's warranty was up, no matter what condition. The fact that it's shot early actually buys me some extra time to look for a new car though.
This car / Acura has shown me no love, so no need to show any in return.
#3005
#3006
that bar at the top of pages has all the forum links,
and the list at bottem of pages are sub forums, not directly related to one car..things like wash and wax
and the list at bottem of pages are sub forums, not directly related to one car..things like wash and wax
#3007
hey u guys i am new here but having problem going into reverse. i have a 2003 cl type s 6mt. all the gearing are fine an d normal but the reverse seems to b block or something i just can't go into it has anyone have this problem?? help!!!!!!!!!!!
#3008
this is the gen2 TL section and only the people who did an engine/trans swap will be found here
Try posting in the CL section..
for basics: ck clutch master cyl resivor level--has it dropped?
if so, look behind rubber dust seal on clutch slave cylinder- is there fluid leaking out--you need a slave cylinder
thats a common failure with normal use- and causes loss of pressure to operate the clutch
Try giving it 2 pumps to build pressure in the line, then try reverse--
does that make it go in easy?
Try posting in the CL section..
for basics: ck clutch master cyl resivor level--has it dropped?
if so, look behind rubber dust seal on clutch slave cylinder- is there fluid leaking out--you need a slave cylinder
thats a common failure with normal use- and causes loss of pressure to operate the clutch
Try giving it 2 pumps to build pressure in the line, then try reverse--
does that make it go in easy?
#3009
#3010
#3012
New owner of used Certified Acura TL love the car. The only thing that I don't like is it downshifts hard and 40mph and then at 20mph. Took it in for several other things that the dealer fixed but they said the transmission was fine. I just figured a luxury sedan should shift smoother than my wifes Corrola. It makes me a little uneasy with it's future and it already has over 60,000 miles. Thoughts - normal or not normal? I don't baby the car by any means. highway travel is normal just the in town stop and go.
#3013
go back and ask the service MANAGER if the Head tech can take a quick ride with you to observe the trans issue
As a new owner they might help you out--especially a CPO car!!
register with acura care 1 800 382 2238x5 as owner
As a new owner they might help you out--especially a CPO car!!
register with acura care 1 800 382 2238x5 as owner
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My second one croaked after the warranty expired so paid $2500 to have it rebuilt. At least this was rebuilt by my brother's father-in-law so if I have any issues I know where to go and won't have to deal with a bunch of BS from the dealerships.
He indicated that he rebuilds a LOT of these and did indicate some of the parts used for my rebuild are superior to the stock parts. I guess I'll find out.
He indicated that he rebuilds a LOT of these and did indicate some of the parts used for my rebuild are superior to the stock parts. I guess I'll find out.
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Tranny failure....
Unfortunately I find myself requesting some information. Love the list, a lot of knowledge here. I just hate asking for help.
I am (or was) the proud owner of a 2003 TL. Worked my butt off to get it 4 years ago with only 32500 miles on it. Only after buying the car did I find out about transmission issues. This past Monday I was told by the local Acura dealer that my tranny is toast and needs replacing. Again, a 2003 TL that just turned 79k miles just under 7 years 9 months after the original purchase. I was told it is out of warranty and does not fall under any warranty extensions. The VIN is outside the specified parameters for the extended warranty.
The cost for replacement: $3769.31.
I mentioned to the service tech that I thought Acura should cover the cost. He said he would submit my request.
Long story short, Acura came back saying they would cover 35% of the cost, me 65%.
Am I getting burned here or am I fortunate they made this offer?
I understand from a friend that works on transmissions (and is well aware of Acura’s problems) that the PCM and fuel pressure regulator should be replaced as well. The dealer’s service advisor said no, that’s not part of the replacement deal. I have a technical repair bulletin dated 02/05/08 that reads different.
What should I do? Is there anyone at Acura that I can contact? A hot line somewhere? Dealer said I had 48 hours to decide.
I just cannot fathom a $32000 automobile, less than 8 years old with 79000 well maintained miles having this problem. I formally owned a 1991 Integra and put 250,000 miles on it with no problems at all. To say I’m disappointed and angry is the understatement of the year.
Can someone help with some advice and/or information?? It would be much appreciated.
Thanks for your time.
Kevin
I am (or was) the proud owner of a 2003 TL. Worked my butt off to get it 4 years ago with only 32500 miles on it. Only after buying the car did I find out about transmission issues. This past Monday I was told by the local Acura dealer that my tranny is toast and needs replacing. Again, a 2003 TL that just turned 79k miles just under 7 years 9 months after the original purchase. I was told it is out of warranty and does not fall under any warranty extensions. The VIN is outside the specified parameters for the extended warranty.
The cost for replacement: $3769.31.
I mentioned to the service tech that I thought Acura should cover the cost. He said he would submit my request.
Long story short, Acura came back saying they would cover 35% of the cost, me 65%.
Am I getting burned here or am I fortunate they made this offer?
I understand from a friend that works on transmissions (and is well aware of Acura’s problems) that the PCM and fuel pressure regulator should be replaced as well. The dealer’s service advisor said no, that’s not part of the replacement deal. I have a technical repair bulletin dated 02/05/08 that reads different.
What should I do? Is there anyone at Acura that I can contact? A hot line somewhere? Dealer said I had 48 hours to decide.
I just cannot fathom a $32000 automobile, less than 8 years old with 79000 well maintained miles having this problem. I formally owned a 1991 Integra and put 250,000 miles on it with no problems at all. To say I’m disappointed and angry is the understatement of the year.
Can someone help with some advice and/or information?? It would be much appreciated.
Thanks for your time.
Kevin
#3016
you are out of VIN range for the extended warranty - that was just a number picked for the court case,, so they are working on Goodwill policy to help you out
read the last 4-5 pages of this thread for my post on obtaining goodwill
If you have history with the dealer by getting brakes or oil changes, bought 3 acuras from them etc,,that helps get the amount lower
on average recently its anywhere from 300 to 2500
Did you speak with he service MANAGER or just the service writer?
If you ask the manager for more help-thats who calls corp-they can often get the price lowered
Local places are getting 1800-2500 for a rebuild
the advantage of getting the acura unit is the new external case- which has better oil passages and moved the oil jet kit for 2nd gear internal
read the last 4-5 pages of this thread for my post on obtaining goodwill
If you have history with the dealer by getting brakes or oil changes, bought 3 acuras from them etc,,that helps get the amount lower
on average recently its anywhere from 300 to 2500
Did you speak with he service MANAGER or just the service writer?
If you ask the manager for more help-thats who calls corp-they can often get the price lowered
Local places are getting 1800-2500 for a rebuild
the advantage of getting the acura unit is the new external case- which has better oil passages and moved the oil jet kit for 2nd gear internal
#3017
as for your care of the car and miles- you are what the acura techs call--
`right on schedule for trans failure`
anywhere after 60 is ready for the wearout issue
Did you ever change the trans fluid?
certain vins get a new ecu or pcm something -only included in replacement if called for.
a TSB technical service bulletin- is ony referance material for techs, not mandatory like recalls
Service writers are sales persons of repairs and parts,,their job is to make money for the company. The first offer is not alwys the last offer~
Most are not techs and dont look up details of things that you may have found digging around online,, or a buddy told you something...
you can speak with the acura rep to see if they will do better- go talk to the manager first..bad to jump over them without talking first
`right on schedule for trans failure`
anywhere after 60 is ready for the wearout issue
Did you ever change the trans fluid?
certain vins get a new ecu or pcm something -only included in replacement if called for.
a TSB technical service bulletin- is ony referance material for techs, not mandatory like recalls
Service writers are sales persons of repairs and parts,,their job is to make money for the company. The first offer is not alwys the last offer~
Most are not techs and dont look up details of things that you may have found digging around online,, or a buddy told you something...
you can speak with the acura rep to see if they will do better- go talk to the manager first..bad to jump over them without talking first
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Unfortunately I find myself requesting some information. Love the list, a lot of knowledge here. I just hate asking for help.
I am (or was) the proud owner of a 2003 TL. Worked my butt off to get it 4 years ago with only 32500 miles on it. Only after buying the car did I find out about transmission issues. This past Monday I was told by the local Acura dealer that my tranny is toast and needs replacing. Again, a 2003 TL that just turned 79k miles just under 7 years 9 months after the original purchase. I was told it is out of warranty and does not fall under any warranty extensions. The VIN is outside the specified parameters for the extended warranty.
The cost for replacement: $3769.31.
I mentioned to the service tech that I thought Acura should cover the cost. He said he would submit my request.
Long story short, Acura came back saying they would cover 35% of the cost, me 65%.
Am I getting burned here or am I fortunate they made this offer?
I understand from a friend that works on transmissions (and is well aware of Acura’s problems) that the PCM and fuel pressure regulator should be replaced as well. The dealer’s service advisor said no, that’s not part of the replacement deal. I have a technical repair bulletin dated 02/05/08 that reads different.
What should I do? Is there anyone at Acura that I can contact? A hot line somewhere? Dealer said I had 48 hours to decide.
I just cannot fathom a $32000 automobile, less than 8 years old with 79000 well maintained miles having this problem. I formally owned a 1991 Integra and put 250,000 miles on it with no problems at all. To say I’m disappointed and angry is the understatement of the year.
Can someone help with some advice and/or information?? It would be much appreciated.
Thanks for your time.
Kevin
I am (or was) the proud owner of a 2003 TL. Worked my butt off to get it 4 years ago with only 32500 miles on it. Only after buying the car did I find out about transmission issues. This past Monday I was told by the local Acura dealer that my tranny is toast and needs replacing. Again, a 2003 TL that just turned 79k miles just under 7 years 9 months after the original purchase. I was told it is out of warranty and does not fall under any warranty extensions. The VIN is outside the specified parameters for the extended warranty.
The cost for replacement: $3769.31.
I mentioned to the service tech that I thought Acura should cover the cost. He said he would submit my request.
Long story short, Acura came back saying they would cover 35% of the cost, me 65%.
Am I getting burned here or am I fortunate they made this offer?
I understand from a friend that works on transmissions (and is well aware of Acura’s problems) that the PCM and fuel pressure regulator should be replaced as well. The dealer’s service advisor said no, that’s not part of the replacement deal. I have a technical repair bulletin dated 02/05/08 that reads different.
What should I do? Is there anyone at Acura that I can contact? A hot line somewhere? Dealer said I had 48 hours to decide.
I just cannot fathom a $32000 automobile, less than 8 years old with 79000 well maintained miles having this problem. I formally owned a 1991 Integra and put 250,000 miles on it with no problems at all. To say I’m disappointed and angry is the understatement of the year.
Can someone help with some advice and/or information?? It would be much appreciated.
Thanks for your time.
Kevin
Since I personally know the owner of the shop, I expect this to be the last tranny in my car.
My second tranny started slipping while still under warranty but Leith said they couldn't reproduce the slippage so charged me for the "diagnostic" and gave me the boot. I will never buy another car from them and will be highly reluctant to buy another Honda product based on the transmission issues I've had and hearing Don tell me how many of these transmissions he has rebuilt.
Expect the rebuild to run you in the $2500 range but Don stands behind his work unlike Acura.
Last edited by bozzchem; 12-10-2010 at 02:53 PM.
#3019
sidenote: if acura dealer charged you diagnostic fee and stated PNF Problem not found- that will get you goodwill if failure occurs after limits- they did you a 100 dollar favor, believe it or not
They tried and cant find it now--the old story
boz: feel free to post name of good rebuilder shop- share good news!!
Also gen3 has done a lot of testing with redline and amz,,findings say go with redline to avoid probs..amz and the TL not the greatest fluid mix,,works yes,,but really helping our problem- you are better off with redline
see post by I Hate Cars for details on which of the fluids to use
He has eleminated 2nd gear shift shudder with that fluid and new pressure switches
On not buying another honda product,,just get a warranty~
we are driving what are now considered to be older cars!
doesnt matter what they cost you new,,cars are made cheap as possible
They tried and cant find it now--the old story
boz: feel free to post name of good rebuilder shop- share good news!!
Also gen3 has done a lot of testing with redline and amz,,findings say go with redline to avoid probs..amz and the TL not the greatest fluid mix,,works yes,,but really helping our problem- you are better off with redline
see post by I Hate Cars for details on which of the fluids to use
He has eleminated 2nd gear shift shudder with that fluid and new pressure switches
On not buying another honda product,,just get a warranty~
we are driving what are now considered to be older cars!
doesnt matter what they cost you new,,cars are made cheap as possible
#3020
acura rebuilt unit comes with a 3/36 parts and labor warranty
Im not trying to sell you one--just putting out facts here
Im not trying to sell you one--just putting out facts here
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Yeah, Acura will tickle your giggleberries and then leave them hanging when SHTF. I've heard over and over and over how I should have had my car towed to Leith and see what they'd do. Considering they were inept enough to miss the slippage on my last visit, I decided to just get the damn thing fixed properly. I don't have three weeks to dance on the phone with them.
Time is money and getting my car towed to them and then haggling vs. just getting it towed and fixed wasn't an option. I'm not going to spend days on the phone playing games with Honda/Acura. I want my car fixed and back on the road. That is the option I chose and other than the cost, I don't regret it.
Anyone who has been to an Acura (D)Stealer will understand why I declined to waste my time. There was no way in hell they'd do it for free and there was no way in hell I was going to pay to have them put a THIRD one in considering numbers 1 and 2 shit the bed. F them.
My brother's father-in-law runs a tranny shop in Raleigh, NC so I figured I'd just get the damn thing rebuilt properly without jumping through hoops.
While I will keep this car until it dies, it is the last Honda/Acura I will purchase.
Time is money and getting my car towed to them and then haggling vs. just getting it towed and fixed wasn't an option. I'm not going to spend days on the phone playing games with Honda/Acura. I want my car fixed and back on the road. That is the option I chose and other than the cost, I don't regret it.
Anyone who has been to an Acura (D)Stealer will understand why I declined to waste my time. There was no way in hell they'd do it for free and there was no way in hell I was going to pay to have them put a THIRD one in considering numbers 1 and 2 shit the bed. F them.
My brother's father-in-law runs a tranny shop in Raleigh, NC so I figured I'd just get the damn thing rebuilt properly without jumping through hoops.
While I will keep this car until it dies, it is the last Honda/Acura I will purchase.
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Who rebuilds it? Is it rebuilt with the same shitty parts that fail in the first one?
No offense, but no thank you. My first one went @ 25K. Second went @ 120K.
Screw that bullshit. I've got a Ford truck with double that mileage still rolling on the original tranny and I didn't pump it full of Amsoil changes at $150 a pop.
I personally spoke with a man who rebuilds these and he indicated they are junk. Thank God he doesn't rebuild them to stock specs but has figured out the stock tranny is crap and uses superior parts.
It sucks coughing up $2500 but it beats buying a new car or just waiting for your "rebuilt" tranny to leave you stranded.
#3023
acura has contracts with rebuilder shops across the country for all the returned warranty parts
Aftermarket has superior clutches- which is the weak part
but, one main problem is
you cant fit enough clutch plate disc-stacked- to handle the torque,
and the low oil flow to the area for proper cooling speeds the demise
the post 2005 case unit has better oil passages and improved life--thats a reason to get acuras IF its a good price and you plan to keep the car
If you have a place you can trust--go that way,, if already have a post 05 case~
Strange how some people have the worst luck and several failure while others never experience the trans issue
Aftermarket has superior clutches- which is the weak part
but, one main problem is
you cant fit enough clutch plate disc-stacked- to handle the torque,
and the low oil flow to the area for proper cooling speeds the demise
the post 2005 case unit has better oil passages and improved life--thats a reason to get acuras IF its a good price and you plan to keep the car
If you have a place you can trust--go that way,, if already have a post 05 case~
Strange how some people have the worst luck and several failure while others never experience the trans issue
#3024
acura has contracts with rebuilder shops across the country for all the returned warranty parts
Aftermarket has superior clutches- which is the weak part
but, one main problem is
you cant fit enough clutch plate disc-stacked- to handle the torque,
and the low oil flow to the area for proper cooling speeds the demise
the post 2005 case unit has better oil passages and improved life--thats a reason to get acuras IF its a good price and you plan to keep the car
If you have a place you can trust--go that way,, if already have a post 05 case~
Strange how some people have the worst luck and several failure while others never experience the trans issue
Aftermarket has superior clutches- which is the weak part
but, one main problem is
you cant fit enough clutch plate disc-stacked- to handle the torque,
and the low oil flow to the area for proper cooling speeds the demise
the post 2005 case unit has better oil passages and improved life--thats a reason to get acuras IF its a good price and you plan to keep the car
If you have a place you can trust--go that way,, if already have a post 05 case~
Strange how some people have the worst luck and several failure while others never experience the trans issue
#3026
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#3027
99 4 speeds are pretty reliable units compared to later 5 speeds
as said above 2500 at local shops is your best bet
it may be as low as 1600 if not many parts are damaged and just needs clutches and a few things
the car is worth 4 grand on a good day for a 99 ( my guess based on falling prices)
so if you can get it for a grand as it sits,,bargain total
but chances are it needs more than trans- like the 105 timing belt water pump job for $1000+
ck hondas of the same price if you are looking for a reliable deal
Parts and mait are way cheaper for them
as said above 2500 at local shops is your best bet
it may be as low as 1600 if not many parts are damaged and just needs clutches and a few things
the car is worth 4 grand on a good day for a 99 ( my guess based on falling prices)
so if you can get it for a grand as it sits,,bargain total
but chances are it needs more than trans- like the 105 timing belt water pump job for $1000+
ck hondas of the same price if you are looking for a reliable deal
Parts and mait are way cheaper for them
#3029
it should last another 50-100kmiles depending on how good a job the shop did
Drive it a while to be sure its ok- sell if you want..
but the cars total value isnt much more than you spent already- assuming 105 service was done too
keep it and enjoy
Any car is going to have problems,,some more expensive that others
Drive it a while to be sure its ok- sell if you want..
but the cars total value isnt much more than you spent already- assuming 105 service was done too
keep it and enjoy
Any car is going to have problems,,some more expensive that others
#3030
Suzuka Master
yeah, 01tl4tl is right. If tranny was rebuilt properly there is a good chance (I'd say 80-90%) that it will last 70-100K miles. So its up to you to take your chances or not, also depends if the shop gave you any warranty. On the other hand, I was thinking, if you rebuilt tranny with Acura, its $4K and 3yr/36 warranty, if your other alternative is to buy a new car for 30K, then of course you better of (economically) spending 4K over 3 years. In 3 years your new $30K car will cost < $20K. But if you thinking of buying another used car, than you might be better of selling it
#3032
the 5 speeds
the 4s didnt have the same internal space issue and are more reliable in general
the 4s didnt have the same internal space issue and are more reliable in general
#3034
should get 4-5+ years of normal operation from it with a little care
Whats a different car need?- timing belt- clutch, brakes etc
depending on what else has been done= maitenance is current and not going to cost 1 grand next week,,keep it if you like it
compare the cost to a different car with its many unknowns
Whats a different car need?- timing belt- clutch, brakes etc
depending on what else has been done= maitenance is current and not going to cost 1 grand next week,,keep it if you like it
compare the cost to a different car with its many unknowns
Last edited by 01tl4tl; 12-18-2010 at 07:04 PM.
#3035
with most cars going down in value each month about the same amount the payment was, the TL with a fresh trans and on maitenenace, is a bargain for the next 4 years
If it only goes down 1000 a year for what you have spent on repairs, and gets you thru school- with a potential to sell it for something at the end,,its a good deal
if its a rolling pile of rattling parts~ thats different,,if you can find someone who appreciates that a fresh trans ups the cars value
If it only goes down 1000 a year for what you have spent on repairs, and gets you thru school- with a potential to sell it for something at the end,,its a good deal
if its a rolling pile of rattling parts~ thats different,,if you can find someone who appreciates that a fresh trans ups the cars value
#3036
Hey dogbane, my tranny failed this past weekend after just passing 100k miles. I live in Raleigh as well, have taken my car to Leith, and am waiting on an adjusted quote (I haven't even mentioned the word 'Goodwill' yet). Did you request the name and location of the shop bozzchem had his work done at? Have you had the work done yet? Please provide any information about area shops that you can. Thanks a lot.
#3037
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the current warranty for most of us (`covered vin`) is 7 years plus 9 months from date car first sold or 109kmiles whichever first-
also there are some cars with odometer error (court case) get extra 5% or 114.5 indicated miles
You can call acura care 1 800 382 2238 x5 (usa cars) to see if covered, or look in your my acura account on acura.com
see diy thread list - it has all the vin list for different recalls and warranty extensions
Good luck on getting that phone call that says.. Your car will be ready in 5 days, please come in at 3pm to get a loaner car~
the current warranty for most of us (`covered vin`) is 7 years plus 9 months from date car first sold or 109kmiles whichever first-
also there are some cars with odometer error (court case) get extra 5% or 114.5 indicated miles
You can call acura care 1 800 382 2238 x5 (usa cars) to see if covered, or look in your my acura account on acura.com
see diy thread list - it has all the vin list for different recalls and warranty extensions
Good luck on getting that phone call that says.. Your car will be ready in 5 days, please come in at 3pm to get a loaner car~
#3038
Instructor
Has anyone seen this thread?
The 3G TL's had this problem and the trannys were very similar.
All you have to do is replace the 3rd and 4th gear transmission switchs, do a 3x3 redline flush and results so far have been good.
https://acurazine.com/forums/showthr...=729149&page=5
The 3G TL's had this problem and the trannys were very similar.
All you have to do is replace the 3rd and 4th gear transmission switchs, do a 3x3 redline flush and results so far have been good.
https://acurazine.com/forums/showthr...=729149&page=5
#3039
there are some gen2s trying that procedure now
the switches and selenoids idea came from us~ acura was allegedly supposed to replace them with warranty trans exchange but it seems that many were not done
the redline racing atf fluid idea from gen3s `I Hate Cars` who is a real mechanic--
not just a parts changer,, a person who rebuilds pieces of cars and understands inner workings..
Dont get that guy started on the properties of different atf brands...
the switches and selenoids idea came from us~ acura was allegedly supposed to replace them with warranty trans exchange but it seems that many were not done
the redline racing atf fluid idea from gen3s `I Hate Cars` who is a real mechanic--
not just a parts changer,, a person who rebuilds pieces of cars and understands inner workings..
Dont get that guy started on the properties of different atf brands...
#3040
I have a 2000 tl with 85k miles. I noticed a slippage in 2nd - 3rd gear. I did the recall 3 years ago and they installed that external kit. Being ten years old that extended warranty probably wont apply any longer. What can I do to save the tranny - it only slipped twice so far? I have only driven it once since the slippage. Is it to late to save the tranny?