This is no longer an obstacle if you're using an Intel-based Mac. But otherwise, you're right about DVD software.

By the way, welcome to Acurazine, Cliff!

Good thing this thread came around again, as now I'm an RL owner with a bunch of Macs and my one FrankenPC with an AMD proc. I wasn't an RL owner when the thread was started.

Speaking of Mac vs PC, doesn't Acura's navi operate on some variant of PocketPC? I seem to remember that in a 3G TL discussion from long ago.

 

Oh, believe me, I've tried. Right now, the only way I can take a music disc, run it through digital processing to artificially create a 5.1 sound field, and then burn it to a DVD-Audio disc that my RL will read is to do it on a Windows PC. The minute someone comes up with a Mac solution, I'll be all over it! (I have one Windows PC pretty much for this purpose only... the other eight computers around here are all Macs.)

 

i've got a TL-S.... but i live in a mac household and my dad's company is all mac and they do just fine........

 

PC user here.

 

Could this information help?

http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=176133

 

I wonder ....

if more RL buyers live in red states or blue states ?????

(anything but more mac vs pc).

 

The Macrumors forums help a little, but the problem is that DVD-Audiofile only works well with FLAC files, and it only burns two-channel files to DVD-A.

So what's wrong with that? Well, an Acura's system will not do any digital signal processing for a DVD-A, which means that a two-channel DVD-A will play through the front left and right speakers only. No subwoofer, no rear channels. You'll actually get more of an illusion of surround sound if you just play the original CD, since the Acura system does add DSP to the CD sound.

What Adobenizer's software does is run DSP codecs on the two-channel file, synthesizing center channel, surround channel, and subwoofer tracks from the two-channel. It's not perfect, by any means, but (a) it's free, done as a labor of love by a music fan, and (b) it actually works. On rich discs with a lot of sound, like Loreena McKennitt, it works very well, in fact.

Alas, this program only exists for Windows computers, which is why I still have to keep one of those around here.

I use Cirlinca's DVD-A software to actually create the disc image from the Adobenizer multichannel .wavs, and then you can burn that .iso file to disc using pretty much any burner.

 

I'm with CL6 on this one. In this day and age, the Mac has nothing over the PC except maybe it looks nicer (but you pay more and get less).

http://whoelsebutdalieu.wordpress.co...y-no-to-apple/

I'm a Software Engineer with a degree in Computer Engineer.

There are other options then Dell, and if you don't like Windows run *free* linux!

 

Wow, dalieu, that was one of the more ignorant articles I've ever read.

I love it when people bash the computer part of Apple because they don't like the iPod. Shall we start trashing MS because the Zune is a piece of crap?

Let's ignore the whining fanboi rant part -- because that was just a whining fanboi rant.

But let's see. Mac OSX is more secure not because nobody writes viruses for it... but, like most *nix based operating systems, because the OS won't let you install anything without administrator priviledges. So, if a virus or malware is going to install itself, a little dialog box pops up and says "so and so wants to install, type your administrator password." And if you're not a complete moron, you'll know when you're intending to install something, or not intending to. That's security.

Bashing Apple because they switched to Intel processors? That's funny, because people used to bash Apple for *not* using Intel processors. But no matter, Apple is now building the fastest Windows machines on the market....

And then the guy compares his home-built computer to a Mac Mini. Well, that's great, except that he's ignoring the cost of the OPERATING SYSTEM on his home built machine. Factor in the $200 for WinXP Pro, and the Windows box is no longer price advantageous. Factor in that the Windows box comes with NOTHING ELSE, but that the Mini ships with iLife and Apple Works and a bunch of other software, and support, and is made with top-quality components and it's the size of a paperback book... and there's no comparison, really.

Want to know why Windows sucks? Here... read this account from a Vista programmer about how they write their bloated OS code . Oh, and don't forget to notice what the MS devs were using as their model of a "clean" user interface -- yeah, a Macintosh.

I've said it before, and I'll say it again -- I can't believe some people here wouldn't ever consider driving a Hyundai or a Chevy, and will spend tens of thousands of dollars more on luxury and performance to drive Acuras... but will complain loudly about maybe spending $100 more on the computer they use every day for a superior product with exceptional design and a cool aesthetic.

"Yeah, that big fancy Acura RL's got power, and style, and leather, and safety features, and SH-AWD, and a great nav system, and a great stereo... but my Chevy Malibu's got three more CUPHOLDERS, and man I can't believe you'd spend $30K more on a car that doesn't have nine cupholders!"

 

OK guys.....don't make me come back there!

the Mac vs. PC thing should be taken as a fun conflict. This is not meant to turn into a flamewar, with namecalling and the lot. If it does.... ...... I don't care whether you use Mac or PC at all, both are tools and people simply have their preferences. I prefer Mac because it's a little easier to get work done....but use both as I'm a hobbyist.

Remember, the intent of the thread was to ask how many RL owners are also Mac owners. Maybe I should just redo this thread as a poll?

 

Hey...what about OS/2?

Not a MAC user and never will be.

I'm an IT manager as well, and all these unreliable PCs are music to my ears, because it keeps me and my tech staff in business!

I build my own PCs and aside from the occasional cooling fan dying, I've had zero problems with my AMD based systems, which I replace every 3 years or so for ~$200.

 

I also use both. I'm a technology exec and I've had to mostly use Windows/PC in my career. For that reason, I've kept a PC at home. I also build my own PCs as a side business and really don't ever run into any problems with them (as long as you use quality parts that is the key...). However, I've always had a Mac at home since the Apple II. I love the Macs and don't see a reason not to have them. IMHO, they are FAR superior to the PC.

Someone made the argument that you pay more and get less - not sure where that mindset comes from but it couldn't be farther from the truth. A recent study (not by Apple...independent study...) verified that the Mac actually does cost less than a similarly configured PC. Now, you can go out and get a $400 Dell but it won't be near as capable as even the entry level Mac.

I bought a new Mac Pro Dual 2.66 (Dual Core x 2) when they came out. I have four hard drives in this machine and one of them is dedicated to Windows XP. I used Boot Camp and just go into Windows when I need to. I run all the same software on my Mac side as I do on the Windows side (MS Office, Photoshop, DreamWeaver, ...) so I really very rarely go into the Windows side. Plus, with the Mac side you get all the extras (iLife...) which are really outstanding packages. The stability of Mac OS X is wonderful and the quality of the machine's engineering is superb.

--Josh

 

I just got my MacBook Pro 15" 2.16 GHz a month ago. Not planning on going back to Windows any time soon. I am also in the IT field and been a Windows/Unix programmer for years (though in college I started programming in Pascal on an Apple II). I can't understand now how I have been able to be without a Mac all these years!

 

If you get a program called Parallels , you don't even need to reboot into Windows -- you can run Windows programs in native mode from a window inside of OSX. So you can have OSX and Windows side by side on the same desktop.

 

Can't we all just get along? Aren't we all just Acura-driving bretheren who are here to praise the RL?

The PC/Mac argument reminds me of the Honda/Acura argument. You have Honda drivers talking about, "why should I spend extra money for an Acura when I've already got a Honda?"

 

For hardware-intensive tasks (e.g. games ), Parallels is not enough. I run it every single day for some work-related software and it's very convenient, but when I need to play a game, I need real hardware acceleration and that's not possible yet in a virtualized environment.

Otherwise, your statement is totally true.

lumpulus, I never thought there were many people who remembered OS/2, I liked it in its time even though I was a Mac stalwart even then...

 

I don't play games on my computer, so it's really not an issue for me. I run a law office, and do all my document managment, creation, scanning, word processing, billing, time tracking, bookkeeping, and research on my Mac, and interchange files with clients in MS formats all day long without a single hitch. My Mac runs my voice mail system, tracks all my time billing automatically, and runs flawlessly. And my iMac takes up no more space in my small office than a monitor would on a PC.

The only, ONLY thing I don't have full and unfettered access to in OSX that requires me to run windows, at all, is that a local law library's search function runs only in Windows. I've used it all of maybe twice, and then I just blow the dust off my old Toshiba laptop and use it. And since they're transitioning to a Lexis/Nexis service, in a few months I won't even need that.

And I've got major lust going on right now for a Core2Duo iBook. I really, really, want one.

 

ha! if i choose to not support macs because of the way apple represents ipods, that's my choice. i don't support companies that don't take responsibility for their actions.

if people want to hate on microsoft because of the zune, it is their choice. if people choice not to buy a tsx because of the transmission problems in the CL/TL from the previous generations, it's their choice.

more like an anti-apple fanboy rant. people choose what works for them best. to say mac is superior, is like saying mercedes is superior to acura, depends who you're talking to. i don't like windows just like the next guy. i even tried vista beta 2 when it was out and hated it.


ever try to run windows in a non-admin account?

i said it was cooler when apple ran risc processors. it gave apple some hardware uniqueness. it's funny to see year after year mac is trying to become more pc, and year after year windows is trying to become more mac.

use *free* linux. get OpenOffice.


you might want to read again, i never said windows didn't sucked. i even wrote an entry on why windows vista sucks. my opinion was based off running vista beta 2 for about a week and a half.

 

oh, i forgot to add...

“Apple left me in the dust and I had no choice to buy another computer. In the end, I was screwed out of thousands of dollars by Apple… Well, I still have that iBook. It sits on my desk as a constant reminder for why I should never buy Apple products.” - http://zedshaw.com/rants/apple_sux.html

"The problem sounds like it should be a trivial one, since everyone tries to make products that supposedly are things that have to do with lifestyle, rather than just being what they are. But Apple has managed to create a huge bunch of people that buy into their bullshit, and I am pissed off that people think I am like them, just because I own a PowerBook or an iPod." - http://meidell.dk/archives/2005/04/07/why-i-hate-apple/


i was actually considering buying a $5-600 mac mini until i read about apple's video iPod virus thing. their reaction to their mistake really turned me off.

a computer is only as good as the user. macs my be superior to you, but to say they're superior for everyone every time is pretty ignorant, if that would the case why would apple need bootcamp?

 

Way to bring back a dead thread!

I admire Apple's design and sense of style but, as dalieu posted, I too got screwed out of roughly $3,000.00 from Apple when they switched to the PowerPC processor and never seriously supported my 'PowerPC upgradeable' Powerbook. Then they pissed me off even more when they put some code in their OS that made it not work in any non-native PowerPC computer. Of course they did this so if I wanted the 'new' OS I'd have to buy a brand new Apple computer! Nice.

Windows, whether good or bad, will still let me run programs I have on 5.25" floppy from 1982. This is an accomplishment!

Different strokes for different folks but I will never pay one cent for anything with an Apple logo on it.

I also like being able to rip open my PC, throw in some parts, etc... for little money at a time. The strength and weakness of the Wintel PC is that so many different pieces of hardware/software are supported by it.

 

Yeah, we try. And it's barely relevant to the RL anymore, no matter how much I try.

There were a lot of people pissed off about the PPC switchover, and the way it was done with certain machines, so I can understand how you feel. I think Apple learned from that experience and the changeover from OS9 to OS X and, later, the migration from PPC to Intel, were handled much better.

Until the Intel switchover, I was able to run old MacOS6-7 software via "Classic" in OSX. Again, the later transitions were handled better.

I agree with you. This is a major weakness, and strength of the Mac platform. It's a strength because the MacOS is known to run well on the hardware picked for it, so it's more stable. It's a weakness from the hobbyist standpoint because I can't swap out a mobo for a faster one whenever I want. This is why I have a "FrankenPC", so I can do that to my heart's content. In fact, I'm giving my in-laws my current FrankenPC and I plan to put another together in the next few months.

 

My limited understanding of the IBM/Intel switch is that you can run your old applications but that they are run in an emmulator mode, which can't be as fast.

Maybe we can blame my problems with Scully and how he handled things, but I know when Apple went from the Apple computers to the Macintosh platform those earlier programs could not be run. Is this true?

Apple doesn't have a large share and they know their business comes mainly from people who like paying more for cutting edge design which, to some extent, makes them fickle buyers. But, on the other hand, some Mac users will take it hard from Apple many times over just because they are fanatics for the brand.

 

The thread wasn't so dead, my initial post was only about 7 mins after jftjr's.

And for those who don't know about Apple shipping Video iPods with viruses and then blaming Microsoft, see here:

http://www.macworld.com/news/2006/10...php?lsrc=mwrss

Highlights of the article include:

"Security and quality assurance experts reacted negatively to Apple’s efforts Tuesday to blame manufacturing problems that resulted in iPods shipping with a virus that affects Microsoft’s Windows operating system.

"’It’s not a matter of which platform the virus originated [on]. The fact that it’s found on the portable player means that there’s an issue with how the quality checks, specifically the content check, was done,” Poon (man in charge of scanning Microsoft products for viruses before they ship) wrote in a blog entry.

"The difference in how McDonald’s and Apple handled similar incidents paints a stark difference between management integrity and customer service focus,” Abrams (director of technical education at ESET) wrote.

“Both cases were flawed manufacturing processes. Mistakes can happen and smart companies accept responsibility, make things right with the customer, and fix the problems. Lesser companies play the blame game,” he wrote.

McDonald’s fix: a single link to Trend Micro’s “Housecall” online virus scanning service and an open offer to replace infected players for free also won praise over Apple’s response: a bunch of links to free antivirus software trials, including Microsoft’s OneCare program, Poon wrote."

 

Here's a TL owner with a MacBook Pro. best computer I've ever used.

 

24"Imac at the office and G5 at home and Powerbook for the road!

 

powerbook user here...

 

TL owner here, but a macbook user none the less, MACs are by far the best computer i've had.

 

No Macs here. I have several PCs though. The work one is a Dell notebook with a 23" and 24" monitors. There's an older rattlin' around notebook.

Then, there's the game room with an Athlon 4800 for flying and a second system for racing. Both are connected to a projector with a 7' screen. The cockpit is from www.therealcockpit.com and is fully functional. There's also a Garmin 295 on top that's connected to MS FS9.

 

Wow, nice "I'm smarter because I buy..." thread . . . . sounds like something I would hear in an exclusive country club . . . .

TL owner, use PCs, NEVER had issues with Windows 2K or XP on PCs I've built, have 5 Dell servers at work and in 5 years only issue has been 1 HD and 1 PS.

I say buy what you like to use, just like cars . . . . . . although reading this there seem to be a lot of Mac users that are installing hacks to run Win XP - if Mac is better in all ways why install XP? Are there hacks for PC to run Mac OS?

I'm sure if Microsoft was the only manufacturer of PC hardware their OS would be as solid as the Mac OS . . . . .

I wonder if the admins are tracking this site and have data on what percentage of us are Mac users? (My own tracking on my company's site showed 5% of our customers were Mac users)

 

Macbook Pro 2.16 Ghz Intel Duo Core
Powerbook G4
2 iBooks
iMac 2.0 Ghz Intel Duo Core

 

My point exactly...

YEP! http://wiki.osx86project.org/wiki/index.php/Main_Page

 

Umm, does this thread have ANYTHING to do with cars anymore?

 

Hmmmm ... I note there's no yoke for the co-pilot. What would you do if you were virtual flying some day and had a virtual heart attack? Any virtual passengers along with you would be virtual toast.



Oh, BTW - a pair of Dell XPS400's, both with dual core hyperthreading 3.4GHz processors, I GB of RAM, 128MB GeForce graphics, Soundblaster cards, 1 each - DVD and CD burners, and 20" widescreen flat panels. After 4, I quit building my own, since I can buy 'em cheaper.
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MacBook Pro 17" & Mac Pro Xeon Quad (3GHZ), the latter a Christmas gift to myself.

 

DCRL is my hero!

 

 

I have a 24" iMac at home and I keep my new MacBook Pro Core 2 Duo with me on the road.

 

First Mac was Macintosh Plus back in 1986. Currently have 15" Aluminum G4 Powerbook. Our company has ten Macs and three PCs. One PC runs AutoCad Inventor. Another PC runs a Windows Terminal Server. The remaining PC runs the UPS shipping program. Everything else is Macs. Will be getting a MacBook Pro when the next model set comes out later this year. Quite interesting the high percentage of RL owners here that also own Apple computers.

 

First Mac: a Performa running System 7, circa 1995, recycled some years back.

Now: Power Mac Dual Processor, Titanium Powerbook, 20" iMac, 12" iBook, G3 Yosemite, Airport Extreme wireless network...and one POS IBM T41 laptop that I had to buy for business school. The IBM with XP causes 99% of computer problems at our house.

I'd buy newer Macs but these things just don't quit working! All running OS 10.3.9 and rock-stable.

 

Soo after Stevie Jobs keynote today whos inline behind me to buy a iphone? im pretty sure they just nuked the competition with this thing.