2010 RL: Worst selling car in Canada

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 12-04-2010 | 06:01 AM
  #1  
up_late's Avatar
Thread Starter
Cruisin'
 
Joined: Nov 2007
Posts: 22
Likes: 0
From: San Jose, Ca
2010 RL: Worst selling car in Canada

With an astonishing 33 units sold in 2010!

http://www.autoblog.com/photos/canad...-2010/#3626251

And look at the competition!
Old 12-04-2010 | 07:25 AM
  #2  
rmjse's Avatar
Instructor
 
Joined: Feb 2009
Posts: 249
Likes: 5
From: Kansas City, MO
Not surprising. It's not only ugly and unattractive on the outside, but is at least $10K more in Canada than it is in the U.S. Makes no sense at all.
Old 12-04-2010 | 11:17 AM
  #3  
rtr's Avatar
rtr
RL owner
 
Joined: Dec 2008
Posts: 711
Likes: 13
It's because they don't have any at the dealer ships to buy or look at ! All they have is TL's. Lol
Old 12-04-2010 | 07:03 PM
  #4  
037's Avatar
037
Safety Car
 
Joined: May 2006
Posts: 4,258
Likes: 88
From: NY
so...how many Enzo's did they sell in Canada, or Veyrons?

I don't really think it's a fair comparison but it also means nothing, who cares.

If the car is not on the lots, there's nothing to sell.
Old 12-04-2010 | 07:16 PM
  #5  
HEAVY_RL's Avatar
Suzuka Master
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Nov 2008
Posts: 7,123
Likes: 1,043
From: RVa
Originally Posted by 037
If the car is not on the lots, there's nothing to sell.
+1, and I'm sure there was research that said not to send them there because they arent popular.
Old 12-04-2010 | 10:33 PM
  #6  
neuronbob's Avatar
Senior Moderator
 
Joined: Nov 2001
Posts: 20,020
Likes: 4,618
From: Cleveland area, OH
It should be killed in Canada. Unless a redesign is successful, it might as well be killed in the US, too. Too bad, it is a great car.
Old 12-05-2010 | 09:26 PM
  #7  
merlin the wrench's Avatar
Racer
 
Joined: Sep 2010
Posts: 325
Likes: 12
From: NorCal
so much for AWD vehicles being the cat's meow in cold places in the winter. Apparently price and appearance have something to do with that. Never should have killed the Legend name in North America.
Old 12-05-2010 | 11:15 PM
  #8  
037's Avatar
037
Safety Car
 
Joined: May 2006
Posts: 4,258
Likes: 88
From: NY
if I had to guess there are cheaper and better advertised alternatives out there. Subaru maybe?
Old 12-06-2010 | 06:46 AM
  #9  
BluNosr2's Avatar
Racer
 
Joined: Jun 2009
Posts: 387
Likes: 16
From: Canada
The only "new" RL's I have ever seen here were both at the dealer, one silver and one black, and neither one sold in over a year. There are perhaps 6 or 7 of the 2005+ style in the city I live, which has around 350K population. You see plenty of more expensive vehicles around though (S-class Benz, 6 and 7-series BMW, etc)
Old 12-06-2010 | 09:54 AM
  #10  
rtr's Avatar
rtr
RL owner
 
Joined: Dec 2008
Posts: 711
Likes: 13
I dont know but Acura did not do much advertising because everyone that sees my car says " wow nice car what kind is it i have never seen one before" that to me is sad being such a great car. And the sales men are dumb!! they don't even know the differences between the TL and the RL to push the sale of the better model.
Old 12-06-2010 | 10:19 AM
  #11  
SG81's Avatar
Missing My CL-S
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: May 2004
Posts: 11,376
Likes: 13
From: Toronto
too overpriced for what you get
Old 12-06-2010 | 11:02 AM
  #12  
SnoWRL's Avatar
Instructor
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Mar 2010
Posts: 188
Likes: 3
cuz its ugly and 06-07 models are nicer
Old 12-06-2010 | 12:30 PM
  #13  
tnobori1's Avatar
Missing my
 
Joined: Feb 2007
Posts: 1,319
Likes: 22
From: Discovery Bay, CA
Originally Posted by SG81
too overpriced for what you get
No way!! If it were a German car you could tack on another $20k! Factor in Japanese reliability and this is probably the most inexpensive (lifetime) luxury sedan in the world.

I do agree that the MMC made the car ugly though.
Old 12-07-2010 | 09:02 AM
  #14  
Pint's Avatar
Instructor
 
Joined: Apr 2010
Posts: 123
Likes: 1
From: UK
Originally Posted by tnobori1
No way!! If it were a German car you could tack on another $20k! Factor in Japanese reliability and this is probably the most inexpensive (lifetime) luxury sedan in the world.
Old 12-07-2010 | 09:11 AM
  #15  
DaChef320's Avatar
Registered Member
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Aug 2009
Posts: 4,105
Likes: 385
From: NYC
the 2010 RL is the most ugliest POS ever produce from Acura and i agree it should be killed in Canada and in the US
Old 12-07-2010 | 09:11 AM
  #16  
DaChef320's Avatar
Registered Member
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Aug 2009
Posts: 4,105
Likes: 385
From: NYC
Also for the price of the RL might as well got for the Infinti M series
Old 12-07-2010 | 09:41 AM
  #17  
Pint's Avatar
Instructor
 
Joined: Apr 2010
Posts: 123
Likes: 1
From: UK
Originally Posted by DIZAZNDOOD320
Also for the price of the RL might as well got for the Infinti M series
RL is 4x4, Infinity M is not.
Old 12-07-2010 | 10:09 AM
  #18  
Costco's Avatar
Moderator
 
Joined: Jun 2006
Posts: 29,869
Likes: 3,489
33 in a month is an atrocity. But 33 in a year... the AWD is probably more useful in Canada than in the U.S. too.

Put it out of its misery already.
Old 12-07-2010 | 10:21 AM
  #19  
dom's Avatar
dom
Senior Moderator
 
Joined: Apr 2003
Posts: 47,710
Likes: 801
From: Toronto, Canada
I'm surprised they allow that to continue. Money has to be spent on Canadianizing the car. Speedo, DRL's etc. Not big expenses, but still. I wonder what it sold in 09. Drop the price to $55K and it may help.

$69,500 is an awfully big number considering the competition and the price of a TL.
Old 12-07-2010 | 10:24 AM
  #20  
dom's Avatar
dom
Senior Moderator
 
Joined: Apr 2003
Posts: 47,710
Likes: 801
From: Toronto, Canada
Originally Posted by Pint
RL is 4x4, Infinity M is not.
Might want to do a tad of research before posting.

http://www.infinitiusa.com/m/models-...s_Pricing.Link

The previous gen always had an Infinii M35x and now there's a Infiniti M37x and Infiniti M56x.

And AWD isn't the same as 4x4.
Old 12-07-2010 | 10:26 AM
  #21  
Costco's Avatar
Moderator
 
Joined: Jun 2006
Posts: 29,869
Likes: 3,489
StonedCL....
Old 12-07-2010 | 04:00 PM
  #22  
Pint's Avatar
Instructor
 
Joined: Apr 2010
Posts: 123
Likes: 1
From: UK
Originally Posted by dom
We don't have AWD available on M here unfortunately. Only RWD. This was my research. Can tell you more, even Merc & BMW do not offer full drives here in UK. Only their "jeeps" have it.
Good for you guys, you have more to choose.
http://www.infiniti.co.uk/m/models.html
Originally Posted by dom
And AWD isn't the same as 4x4
We call full drives - 4x4 in general.

Last edited by Pint; 12-07-2010 at 04:02 PM.
Old 12-07-2010 | 04:05 PM
  #23  
godfather2's Avatar
Time to Climb
 
Joined: Jul 2006
Posts: 6,402
Likes: 49
From: Little Rock, AR
that's quite sad, actually
Old 12-07-2010 | 04:21 PM
  #24  
Pint's Avatar
Instructor
 
Joined: Apr 2010
Posts: 123
Likes: 1
From: UK
I still think, it is lack of adverts, presentations. Honda must do more in this direction. Sponsoring some movies like "Transporter" or "Taxi", where the main character drives the car under critical conditions and demonstrates advantages of it.
New Hyundai Genesis recently appeared in "Inception", that was smartly done. But Honda doesn't do anything like this. They have created great car, but very few people know about it. That is wrong and sad.

Last edited by Pint; 12-07-2010 at 04:25 PM.
Old 12-07-2010 | 04:22 PM
  #25  
037's Avatar
037
Safety Car
 
Joined: May 2006
Posts: 4,258
Likes: 88
From: NY
Originally Posted by godfather2
that's quite sad, actually
what bothers me more is that G37 manual and G37x awd are 0.2s apart in 0-60 tests.

Is Acura the only brand that suffers a 30% drivetrain loss on their AWD or what?
Old 12-07-2010 | 04:23 PM
  #26  
037's Avatar
037
Safety Car
 
Joined: May 2006
Posts: 4,258
Likes: 88
From: NY
Originally Posted by Pint
I still think, it is lack adverts, presentations. Honda must do more in this direction. Sponsoring some movies like "Transporter" or "Taxi", where the main character drives the car under critical conditions. New Hyundai Genesis recently appeared in "Inception", that was smartly done. But Honda doesn't do anything like this. They have created great car, but very few people know about it. That is wrong and sad.
well, there was a ZDX in Iron Man 2 ending past the credits...does that count?
Old 12-07-2010 | 04:45 PM
  #27  
cjTL's Avatar
I'm Craig
iTrader: (2)
 
Joined: Jun 2008
Posts: 4,899
Likes: 299
From: Grand Rapids, MI
Anyone else care to scroll through and see that the Lexus GS sold 215 units?
Old 12-07-2010 | 05:10 PM
  #28  
TampaRLX-SH's Avatar
Torch & Pitchfork Posse
 
Joined: Feb 2007
Posts: 4,729
Likes: 1,806
From: Tampa, Florida
I don't get all the moaning.

The RL has not sold in volume since the 2006MY. The current car with slight alterations and a beating from an ugly stick was baked 7 years ago. It has served it's purpose, paid for itself and showcased technology and engineering throughout the Acura line up and into the Honda brand. Why should Acura kill it? Because moaners who want ultimate popularity say so? The same moaners will cry if everyone drives one. It simply is at the end of it's cycle, in tough economic times and Acura has not invested to update it but instead to re-invent the model forthcoming.

A new model is en route. This one is built out and a simple stop gap until the next model arrives. And when that model arrives I guarantee the same moaners will not be silenced, sell their cars and rush out to buy it. Some may, but more moan than produce anything to this community outside of self centered whines.

Hopefully Canada has 33 very satisfied RL owners who bought a stellar car to please themselves and not just to satisfy the all knowing moaners. I wish those 33 owners well.

Some of you people should create your own car company and be on the other side of the fence. We will see how brilliant your comments are then.



Old 12-07-2010 | 05:36 PM
  #29  
TampaRLX-SH's Avatar
Torch & Pitchfork Posse
 
Joined: Feb 2007
Posts: 4,729
Likes: 1,806
From: Tampa, Florida
Perspective

Canada sold approx 1/5 of the US sold units.

Canada has 1/10th the population of the US.

Canada has approx 50 dealerships to offer units for sale.

US has approx 250 dealerships to offer units for sale.

Canada model is unique for a market 1/10th of US and build out of such model may dictate availability for sale (regardless of demand).

US sales have been at a trickle with advance build out since 2007.

Where exactly is the shock???

The only thing I find pathetic is the lack of perspective and understanding of market economics. Anything that should be killed is that mentality.
Old 12-07-2010 | 05:44 PM
  #30  
getakey's Avatar
Safety Car
 
Joined: Sep 2005
Posts: 3,920
Likes: 421
And, I thought that cruise would relax you a bit
Old 12-07-2010 | 06:42 PM
  #31  
Costco's Avatar
Moderator
 
Joined: Jun 2006
Posts: 29,869
Likes: 3,489
Originally Posted by TampaRL
I don't get all the moaning.

The RL has not sold in volume since the 2006MY. The current car with slight alterations and a beating from an ugly stick was baked 7 years ago. It has served it's purpose, paid for itself and showcased technology and engineering throughout the Acura line up and into the Honda brand. Why should Acura kill it? Because moaners who want ultimate popularity say so? The same moaners will cry if everyone drives one. It simply is at the end of it's cycle, in tough economic times and Acura has not invested to update it but instead to re-invent the model forthcoming.

A new model is en route. This one is built out and a simple stop gap until the next model arrives. And when that model arrives I guarantee the same moaners will not be silenced, sell their cars and rush out to buy it. Some may, but more moan than produce anything to this community outside of self centered whines.

Hopefully Canada has 33 very satisfied RL owners who bought a stellar car to please themselves and not just to satisfy the all knowing moaners. I wish those 33 owners well.

Some of you people should create your own car company and be on the other side of the fence. We will see how brilliant your comments are then.



Originally Posted by TampaRL
Canada sold approx 1/5 of the US sold units.

Canada has 1/10th the population of the US.

Canada has approx 50 dealerships to offer units for sale.

US has approx 250 dealerships to offer units for sale.

Canada model is unique for a market 1/10th of US and build out of such model may dictate availability for sale (regardless of demand).

US sales have been at a trickle with advance build out since 2007.

Where exactly is the shock???

The only thing I find pathetic is the lack of perspective and understanding of market economics. Anything that should be killed is that mentality.
I guess since we don't have our own car manufacturing companies, we have no ground to stand on to make comments. Time to lock up all the threads and indefinitely suspend posting privileges, unless you are validated to work for or you own an automobile manufacturing company!



In all seriousness, it doesn't seem like anyone is really complaining aside from the looks, which is completely subjective (I'm a fan of the 2006-2008 RL if it matters, not so much the 09+). I didn't hear anybody moaning or whining that the RL was a bad car.... I think the whole of us are completely lost as to why Acura still keeps the RL around despite its atrocious sales. Many, many cars are killed off, sometimes permanently and prematurely due to slow sales. Many of those aforementioned cars get discontinued despite relatively better sales (compared to the RL)

A prime example I came up with was the NSX. Despite being handbuilt, which ultimately means limited numbers, and an excessively long production run (6 years before the "MMC" and another 6 years until the next "MMC" then another 4 years of basically the same car), almost double the MSRP as the RL and arguably occupying a smaller niche in the market than the RL does (I don't think the RL has a small niche at all) it sold 249 models in the U.S. Yes, the U.S. is a much different market than the U.S. but taking the aforementioned factors into account it's still staggering.

The NSX died off with a whimper and it's 5 year ongoing absence is telling enough. Despite the evidence that a successor was in the works, it has been indefinitely shelved. I'm almost definite Acura milked the NSX for all it's worth, recouping all of it's R&D costs and more than just some. I'm sure Acura is proud of the RL as an engineering showcase and it's absolutely a great car, but I doubt Acura is having any issues keeping up with demand and in the end I don't see what's wrong with questioning why Acura is keeping it around at all.

Seriously..... just wrap your head around this for a moment. 33 units. In one year. 33 mass produced sedans, suitable for a decent amount of households, not some small-niche exotic well past its glory days that's double the price of the aforementioned mass market sedan. If there are 50 Acura dealerships in Canada, that means only 2 in 3 dealerships sold ONE RL, in the span of 12 months. I'm no econ-major, nor do I claim to know much about it, but that just sounds ridiculous to me.

I don't know it's worth the trouble trying to market the car at all. I'm sure it's not helping that there are stale RLs sitting on the lot. My question to you, now is what does the RL offer that absolutely sets it apart from the 4G TL SH-AWD? Infiniti had this same dilemma in the mid-2000s with the Q45, and they went with the M56 as their flagship, which I'm thinking is what Acura is planning when you look at how much the TL encroaches on the RL's territory.
Old 12-08-2010 | 08:40 AM
  #32  
dom's Avatar
dom
Senior Moderator
 
Joined: Apr 2003
Posts: 47,710
Likes: 801
From: Toronto, Canada
Originally Posted by Pint
We don't have AWD available on M here unfortunately. Only RWD. This was my research. Can tell you more, even Merc & BMW do not offer full drives here in UK. Only their "jeeps" have it.
Good for you guys, you have more to choose.
http://www.infiniti.co.uk/m/models.html

We call full drives - 4x4 in general.
Sorry, didn't realize you were on the other side of the pond.
Old 12-08-2010 | 01:33 PM
  #33  
Pint's Avatar
Instructor
 
Joined: Apr 2010
Posts: 123
Likes: 1
From: UK
Originally Posted by dom
Sorry, didn't realize you were on the other side of the pond.
Sorry, I didn't realize, that my location isn't mentioned. Ammended.
Old 12-08-2010 | 07:33 PM
  #34  
BluNosr2's Avatar
Racer
 
Joined: Jun 2009
Posts: 387
Likes: 16
From: Canada
Combined November sales of 10,876 units by the Honda and Acura divisions represented a 22% increase over last year's sales. The Honda Automobile Division reported November sales of 9,427 units, up 19% from last year. Honda's November sales increase was bolstered by record Fit sales, up 249% over last year, in addition to a 57% increase in Odyssey sales.

The Acura Division reported November sales of 1,449 units, a 54% increase over last year, led by a 93% increase in sales of both Acura TSX and the Canadian-built MDX.

Meanwhile Mercedes sold 136 Smart "ForTwo" models in Canada just in November, and for the year so far the total is 1875. There a lot fewer Benz dealers carrying Smart models than Acura dealers up here.
Old 12-08-2010 | 08:19 PM
  #35  
BLACKURA_NY's Avatar
I have car ADD
iTrader: (6)
 
Joined: Mar 2006
Posts: 7,307
Likes: 51
From: Queens, NY
alot of trash talking!

you should check the production numbers... lowest production car on their line. something like 3,000 total produced that year...
Old 12-08-2010 | 08:21 PM
  #36  
BLACKURA_NY's Avatar
I have car ADD
iTrader: (6)
 
Joined: Mar 2006
Posts: 7,307
Likes: 51
From: Queens, NY
Originally Posted by TampaRL
I don't get all the moaning.

The RL has not sold in volume since the 2006MY. The current car with slight alterations and a beating from an ugly stick was baked 7 years ago. It has served it's purpose, paid for itself and showcased technology and engineering throughout the Acura line up and into the Honda brand. Why should Acura kill it? Because moaners who want ultimate popularity say so? The same moaners will cry if everyone drives one. It simply is at the end of it's cycle, in tough economic times and Acura has not invested to update it but instead to re-invent the model forthcoming.

A new model is en route. This one is built out and a simple stop gap until the next model arrives. And when that model arrives I guarantee the same moaners will not be silenced, sell their cars and rush out to buy it. Some may, but more moan than produce anything to this community outside of self centered whines.

Hopefully Canada has 33 very satisfied RL owners who bought a stellar car to please themselves and not just to satisfy the all knowing moaners. I wish those 33 owners well.

Some of you people should create your own car company and be on the other side of the fence. We will see how brilliant your comments are then.



spoken in the voice of a smart business man... possibly an acura salesman lol!
Old 12-08-2010 | 08:28 PM
  #37  
DaChef320's Avatar
Registered Member
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Aug 2009
Posts: 4,105
Likes: 385
From: NYC
Originally Posted by Pint
We don't have AWD available on M here unfortunately. Only RWD. This was my research. Can tell you more, even Merc & BMW do not offer full drives here in UK. Only their "jeeps" have it.
Good for you guys, you have more to choose.
http://www.infiniti.co.uk/m/models.html

We call full drives - 4x4 in general.
cause u guys suck
Old 12-08-2010 | 08:29 PM
  #38  
DaChef320's Avatar
Registered Member
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Aug 2009
Posts: 4,105
Likes: 385
From: NYC
Originally Posted by dom
Sorry, didn't realize you were on the other side of the pond.
Old 12-09-2010 | 05:33 AM
  #39  
Pint's Avatar
Instructor
 
Joined: Apr 2010
Posts: 123
Likes: 1
From: UK
Originally Posted by DIZAZNDOOD320
cause u guys suck
Enjoy
http://www.jokesaboutcanadians.com/
Old 12-09-2010 | 06:02 AM
  #40  
db22's Avatar
Three Wheelin'
 
Joined: Mar 2005
Posts: 1,966
Likes: 180
Pint, What do you drive?


Quick Reply: 2010 RL: Worst selling car in Canada



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 10:20 AM.