Yungone501's- Excessive infatuation with the J-series
06-09-2013, 03:05 AM
#521
Looks Good!!
You do have the very best cams, IMO, that have been produced for this motor. Even though it is 6 years old, Acura, as far as I know, has not made a hotter one yet. If my memory serves me, in 2005, the RL was initially advertised with 310hp. That suddenly changed in 2006 and the hp rating was down. I think they even on paper lowered the HP rating on the 05 to meet some gentleman agreement between luxury automakers not to go over 300. Part numbers changed for the next year and the price per cam was significantly less in 06. Honda did a lot of R&D on those.
Anyway, you will have fun with the boost. If I can offer one suggestion, I used it and worked well for me, convert your windshield washer reservoir to a methanol one and plumb into your intake pipes methanol injection. When my CL was boosted, I got tired of putting av gas in it all the time, CAT was removed, and used straight methanal injection, and I could run premium pump gas. so much cheaper and worked very well, no knocks.
Once you get it tuned better, you will break the tires loose in 3rd. And I have proof.
See my parts for sale.
You do have the very best cams, IMO, that have been produced for this motor. Even though it is 6 years old, Acura, as far as I know, has not made a hotter one yet. If my memory serves me, in 2005, the RL was initially advertised with 310hp. That suddenly changed in 2006 and the hp rating was down. I think they even on paper lowered the HP rating on the 05 to meet some gentleman agreement between luxury automakers not to go over 300. Part numbers changed for the next year and the price per cam was significantly less in 06. Honda did a lot of R&D on those.
Anyway, you will have fun with the boost. If I can offer one suggestion, I used it and worked well for me, convert your windshield washer reservoir to a methanol one and plumb into your intake pipes methanol injection. When my CL was boosted, I got tired of putting av gas in it all the time, CAT was removed, and used straight methanal injection, and I could run premium pump gas. so much cheaper and worked very well, no knocks.
Once you get it tuned better, you will break the tires loose in 3rd. And I have proof.
See my parts for sale.
05-08 max lift intake- 36.445mm exhaust- 36.389mm
09+ max lift intake- 35.932mm exhaust- 37.370mm
.5mm larger on the intake and an entire 1mm smaller than the later 3.7 cams. Remember though, the 3.7 RL engines have intake/exhaust VTEC as well as optyimized/redesigned intake head port design and this is said (by Acura) to increase horsepower from the previous 3.5 by 7hp...as well as a total of 11ft lbs of torque total. That leaves only 3hp that is more than likely contributed to the displacement increase of 2/10th's of a liter.
My point? I'd have to agree that your "gentlemens agreement" theory on power limitations is spot on. Why? Because the 3.7 is so severly detuned and underrated its a shame. Is Acura trying to make everyone believe that optimized intake head port designs, larger displacement, dual VTEC system as well as any other changes that were made from 3.5 to a 3.7 are only netting a maximum gain of 10hp? They hide in the dark by simply stating the 3.7 has "gained effeciency" but that to me still says...."purposely detuned".
If a person were to take the 3.7 and stick a set of 05-08 RL spec (at minimum) cams with dual VTEC lobe design, add a 07-08 TL-S ecm, I'd be willing to bet the power increase observed would create a lot of interest here in the forums. Go beyond factory parts/engine management on that same 3.7 long block minus the cams and have your mind blown.
As for the methanol, Ive seen what you mean about this stuff and its benefit over race fuel. It actually supresses detonation (or the chance of) by a large degree...even more so than high octane 110 I ran for about 1.5 weeks. I came up with a creative way of calculating max output on this motor by purposely driving advance up enough to detect a cylinder knock. I did this by taking that same advance number and counting the opposite direction (ignition retard) to get a boost pressure (psi) and feel that I may be able to safely run 12-14psi before detonation occurs. Because there were more dynamics that I couldnt account for (or knew nothing about) I decided on being modest here and taking the original calculated number of 17.5psi and be modest with the 12-14psi instead. Because the calculation I came up with in NO WAY factors in any type of mechanical breakage or failure that could occur at these boost levels on a stock j35a8, taking things up even to "modest" boost levels could end badly. Basing the engines piston/rod strength solely off of the known fact that the j32a2 can sustain 700whp at 20psi, Id say the RL motor might even be capable of slightly more boost which should give me more underating to help with my choice of boost pressure. I still think 12-14psi would be as high as I should go before risking too much. This should net me around 625 or so to the wheels.
06-09-2013, 09:18 AM
#522
I have an escort gt2 that I don't use, that should be easy enough to measure some stats without hitting the dyno or a drag strip.
Yours cheap if you want it.
http://www.escortradar.com/gtimer_faq.php
Yours cheap if you want it.
http://www.escortradar.com/gtimer_faq.php
06-09-2013, 01:01 PM
#523
I have an escort gt2 that I don't use, that should be easy enough to measure some stats without hitting the dyno or a drag strip.
Yours cheap if you want it.
http://www.escortradar.com/gtimer_faq.php
Yours cheap if you want it.
http://www.escortradar.com/gtimer_faq.php
What did it say the RL put out? I'm assuming since it detects 2-axis movement, it would be able to safely account for AWD applications?
06-09-2013, 04:28 PM
#524
Those are not "lift" specs. They are only lobe height for inspection purposes for comparison to new verses used cams. The only way to get a spec on these cams is to put it on a cam doctor or similar measuring device. You get your lift from the base circle.
06-09-2013, 06:01 PM
#525
Anyone can do lift themselves but duration is a different story.
Can you tell us what the RL's duration is high intake and exhaust?
06-09-2013, 07:32 PM
#526
then I started messing with upgrades and pushed it into 7 second range...
06-10-2013, 12:55 PM
#527
Beginning stages of the skid plate. This is the base structure that the 1/8" steel plates will be welded onto. It is also braced in various high load/stress spots to give it strength from the sub-frame itself. Hopefully I finish today. 
06-10-2013, 01:19 PM
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Robert....thats some good work dude....
Eager to see the final stages of the build
Eager to see the final stages of the build
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06-10-2013, 03:38 PM
#530
I agree. My apologies sir.
I have many MOAR pics I need to take and catch everyone up with whats been done to prepare for higher boost. Before this actually takes place, I have to install the 2-core aluminum radiator first.....any day now FedEx.
06-10-2013, 09:57 PM
#531
Skid plate base fully bolted and braced...
I still have to weld the strips together (while bolted in place) and then cut/bend the plate to the shape & contour of it. If you notice the passenger side strip is not exactly straight nor is it the same height as the driver side. This should be fun.
I snapped a few pics of the meth-injection setup. The first photo is to show where the nozzle was placed and this took me quite a bit of time to decide its placement. Theres literally dozens of locations it can be installed but they all have their ups and downs. I chose this place because it was a straight section of tubing to allow adequate time to atomize and absorb heat. The bad side of being placed here: pre-BOV.
And then the pump and reservoir
Finally got around to replacing all fuel lines with braided steel, added a low pressure regulator between the surge tank and factory tank for pressure stability, and battery box.
The aluminum radiator showed up tonight. Cant wait to get this thing installed and control these underhood temps
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I still have to weld the strips together (while bolted in place) and then cut/bend the plate to the shape & contour of it. If you notice the passenger side strip is not exactly straight nor is it the same height as the driver side. This should be fun.
I snapped a few pics of the meth-injection setup. The first photo is to show where the nozzle was placed and this took me quite a bit of time to decide its placement. Theres literally dozens of locations it can be installed but they all have their ups and downs. I chose this place because it was a straight section of tubing to allow adequate time to atomize and absorb heat. The bad side of being placed here: pre-BOV.
And then the pump and reservoir
Finally got around to replacing all fuel lines with braided steel, added a low pressure regulator between the surge tank and factory tank for pressure stability, and battery box.
The aluminum radiator showed up tonight. Cant wait to get this thing installed and control these underhood temps
Top
Side (core thickness)
06-11-2013, 12:39 AM
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I promise you Robert...I will come down there and ride around in that car....
HOLY HELL....Turbo, NOS, Meth
06-11-2013, 01:11 AM
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To the comment of turbo meth and nos: I'm daring with the car but NOT wetarded wit it. The turbo and meth, yes. The nos, it's just an old 10lb bottle I converted into a surge tank because somebody (cough, cough, Matt Hickam of Ft Worth Texas who drives an Integra, cough) didn't make the surge tank when I was in desperate need of it. It was between the nitrous bottle and an old r134a refrigerant cylinder.
What can I say Anil, I'm a baller on a budget.
06-11-2013, 01:15 AM
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haha....yeah i just jumped on Azine to see the video
and you are balling, thats for sure
and you are balling, thats for sure
06-11-2013, 09:55 AM
#540
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It's nice to know I'm not the only night owl up at 1:00am...even though I have to wake up in 4.5hrs. Lol
To the comment of turbo meth and nos: I'm daring with the car but NOT wetarded wit it. The turbo and meth, yes. The nos, it's just an old 10lb bottle I converted into a surge tank because somebody (cough, cough, Matt Hickam of Ft Worth Texas who drives an Integra, cough) didn't make the surge tank when I was in desperate need of it. It was between the nitrous bottle and an old r134a refrigerant cylinder.
What can I say Anil, I'm a baller on a budget.
To the comment of turbo meth and nos: I'm daring with the car but NOT wetarded wit it. The turbo and meth, yes. The nos, it's just an old 10lb bottle I converted into a surge tank because somebody (cough, cough, Matt Hickam of Ft Worth Texas who drives an Integra, cough) didn't make the surge tank when I was in desperate need of it. It was between the nitrous bottle and an old r134a refrigerant cylinder.
What can I say Anil, I'm a baller on a budget.
Hmm. I thought you wanted a catch can. Not a surge tank.... hmmm
06-11-2013, 10:13 AM
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hell yeah we
after midnight 
06-11-2013, 11:47 AM
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Damn, youre right. My bad. Well, I guess I used an old nos bottle because it was the next best thing.
Hey Matt, so where's my catch can?
Lmao....you.
And on top of that, I have 5 kds to take care of me when I do retire at the ripe age of 32. One more year fellas and this hobby becomes my full time retirement plan. 
Hey Matt, so where's my catch can?
Lmao....you.
06-11-2013, 01:59 PM
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06-11-2013, 04:28 PM
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06-11-2013, 07:13 PM
#558
Ok, well, I finally did what I wanted to a few months back. Since I'm installing this high efficiency radiator that's plenty capable of handling the heat load, I decided I'd go ahead and do AN fitted hoses for the radiator hoses. So this afternoon, instead of installing the radiator, I boxed it up and shipped it over to Matt for some modifications. I also sent him a thermostat housing and water neck assembly so he could weld on male fittings to them as well. While he's at it, I'm going have him fab up a overflow tank too...
....oh yeah Matt, before I forget, could you also fab me a overflow tank as well?
In addition to the fittings being added to the inlet/outlet, the top outlet must be moved from the driver side over to the center. Normally I would work around something like this but since Matt's going to have anyways...why not?
Here's a few shots of the stock radiator outlet opposed to the one that needs to be repositioned...
....oh yeah Matt, before I forget, could you also fab me a overflow tank as well?
In addition to the fittings being added to the inlet/outlet, the top outlet must be moved from the driver side over to the center. Normally I would work around something like this but since Matt's going to have anyways...why not?
Here's a few shots of the stock radiator outlet opposed to the one that needs to be repositioned...