The motor mount thread
12-12-2011, 02:39 PM
#961
Two of my mounts are bad (F & R) and I was thinking of replacing with a set of XLR8 mounts. From reading this thread I've come to the conclusion that:
A.) No-one makes better after-market motor mounts than XLR8 for the 2nd gen CL.
B.) XLR8 motor mounts should last longer than OEM because they don't have any moving (hydraulic) parts.
C.) XLR8 motor mounts (with 62a bushings) may cause a little bit of vibration, similar to when your OEM mounts are broken.
D.) A set of properly installed XLR8 motor mounts should correct the acceleration hesitation caused by broken motor mounts and possibly fix the idle dashboard vibration noises.
Am I correct? Anything else I should think about? I'd like to place my order soon...
A.) No-one makes better after-market motor mounts than XLR8 for the 2nd gen CL.
B.) XLR8 motor mounts should last longer than OEM because they don't have any moving (hydraulic) parts.
C.) XLR8 motor mounts (with 62a bushings) may cause a little bit of vibration, similar to when your OEM mounts are broken.
D.) A set of properly installed XLR8 motor mounts should correct the acceleration hesitation caused by broken motor mounts and possibly fix the idle dashboard vibration noises.
Am I correct? Anything else I should think about? I'd like to place my order soon...
A) True.
B) Theoretically. Recent posts are showing that this may not be the case. Time will tell. Still, it's not looking good.
C) No, it will be a little worse. Depends on how bad the OEM mounts were broken. Either way, I doubt 62a will be softer than any OEM mount, regardless of condition.
D) These mounts will definitely help fix any performance issues from broken OEM mounts. They will NOT fix dash board rattles. They will make them worse.
If I were you, I would wait a little while for more people to chime in with reviews. Especially the 62a ones.
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kik (12-12-2011)
12-12-2011, 02:43 PM
#962
No.
A) True.
B) Theoretically. Recent posts are showing that this may not be the case. Time will tell. Still, it's not looking good.
C) No, it will be a little worse. Depends on how bad the OEM mounts were broken. Either way, I doubt 62a will be softer than any OEM mount, regardless of condition.
D) These mounts will definitely help fix any performance issues from broken OEM mounts. They will NOT fix dash board rattles. They will make them worse.
If I were you, I would wait a little while for more people to chime in with reviews. Especially the 62a ones.
A) True.
B) Theoretically. Recent posts are showing that this may not be the case. Time will tell. Still, it's not looking good.
C) No, it will be a little worse. Depends on how bad the OEM mounts were broken. Either way, I doubt 62a will be softer than any OEM mount, regardless of condition.
D) These mounts will definitely help fix any performance issues from broken OEM mounts. They will NOT fix dash board rattles. They will make them worse.
If I were you, I would wait a little while for more people to chime in with reviews. Especially the 62a ones.
when i put stock mounts back in car felt like whole different car... TBH with front and side poly filled i did not notice huge improvement in performance except that i had ALOT more vibrations and last few weeks worst... like XLR said 75a are not meant to be used for DD
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kik (12-12-2011)
12-12-2011, 02:44 PM
#963
OH please. How many times do I have to say I didn't tell you anything and was asking questions. Can you read? Why do you think anyone asking any questions is a personal attack? People need to get over themselves and their egos. I am just trying to get answers. Please street put more words in my mouth for me.
You should never be 100% sure of anything in life, except the fact that you will die.
You should never be 100% sure of anything in life, except the fact that you will die.
You didn't ask if he poorly installed the mount. You flat out said it. With absolutely no evidence. It was clear that your bias in the issue was your only reasoning. That, or your doubting his install because his axle rusted, which doesn't correlate too well.
12-12-2011, 05:04 PM
#964
I don't see how a mount can be described as broken if the polyurethane bushing had a slight enlargening of the hole due to the sleeve rocking back and forth. That's not a broken mount. That's a bushing that needs to be replaced, which can easily be done.
Out of the 120+ mount sets I've sold thus far between the 2nd and 3rd gen TL there has only been 1 other person who needed a replacement bushing and he was extremely aggressive with his 3rd gen TL. He went through multiple sets of bushings in months with his Innovative mounts. Once he switched to our mounts he need one pair of bushings once after a long time. Our bushings are far more durable than the bushings Innovative uses. I don't think 1 person having an issue on one mount is cause for concern. Maybe the bushing was defective.
Either way a simple email to us to resolve the problem would have been appreciated rather than posting in the manner it was done.
Out of the 120+ mount sets I've sold thus far between the 2nd and 3rd gen TL there has only been 1 other person who needed a replacement bushing and he was extremely aggressive with his 3rd gen TL. He went through multiple sets of bushings in months with his Innovative mounts. Once he switched to our mounts he need one pair of bushings once after a long time. Our bushings are far more durable than the bushings Innovative uses. I don't think 1 person having an issue on one mount is cause for concern. Maybe the bushing was defective.
Either way a simple email to us to resolve the problem would have been appreciated rather than posting in the manner it was done.
12-12-2011, 05:11 PM
#965
I don't see how a mount can be described as broken if the polyurethane bushing had a slight enlargening of the hole due to the sleeve rocking back and forth. That's not a broken mount. That's a bushing that needs to be replaced, which can easily be done.
Out of the 120+ mount sets I've sold thus far between the 2nd and 3rd gen TL there has only been 1 other person who needed a replacement bushing and he was extremely aggressive with his 3rd gen TL. He went through multiple sets of bushings in months with his Innovative mounts. Once he switched to our mounts he need one pair of bushings once after a long time. Our bushings are far more durable than the bushings Innovative uses. I don't think 1 person having an issue on one mount is cause for concern. Maybe the bushing was defective.
Either way a simple email to us to resolve the problem would have been appreciated rather than posting in the manner it was done.
Out of the 120+ mount sets I've sold thus far between the 2nd and 3rd gen TL there has only been 1 other person who needed a replacement bushing and he was extremely aggressive with his 3rd gen TL. He went through multiple sets of bushings in months with his Innovative mounts. Once he switched to our mounts he need one pair of bushings once after a long time. Our bushings are far more durable than the bushings Innovative uses. I don't think 1 person having an issue on one mount is cause for concern. Maybe the bushing was defective.
Either way a simple email to us to resolve the problem would have been appreciated rather than posting in the manner it was done.
12-13-2011, 10:55 AM
#966
I didn't say the bushing needed to be replaced every 5-10k. I said it isn't a broken mount. A broken mount implies the welds are broken or the steel part snapped. Have you seen the Innovative bushings and how large the hole is when the bushing is shot? From your pictures the center hole didn't enlargen much. And if that bushing wasn't aggressive enough let us know and we will send you another bushing.
12-13-2011, 11:35 AM
#967
Broken mount it means to me that it doesnt hold engine properly anymore not that metal bracket is broken like when oem mounts go you say they are broken right ? The rubber breaks and fuild leaks not the metal part. Right ? Side mount looks ok but keep in mind that i got it delivered on later time. I still have not touched front mount yet. As soon as i do i will give you guys a feedback. TBH i wish this is the only example of the bushing failure we gonna experience. I am parting out my car that was the main reason to take them out but i noticed that i had a lot more vibrations inside the car and everything was rattling and resonating. For anyone that drives this car daily i would recommend 62a bushings instead.
12-24-2011, 07:40 PM
#972
Whats up with RDX owners?
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Josh - I picked up the side mount from Pauls place. Expect pictures regarding the fitment issues this week.
12-28-2011, 08:35 AM
#973
For a more senior member, you sure are asking stupid questions. An axle breaking would have nothing to do with instantaneous damage to a rear mount, unless it impaled it from the side or something.
You didn't ask if he poorly installed the mount. You flat out said it. With absolutely no evidence. It was clear that your bias in the issue was your only reasoning. That, or your doubting his install because his axle rusted, which doesn't correlate too well.
You didn't ask if he poorly installed the mount. You flat out said it. With absolutely no evidence. It was clear that your bias in the issue was your only reasoning. That, or your doubting his install because his axle rusted, which doesn't correlate too well.
01-02-2012, 05:51 PM
#974
Whats up with RDX owners?
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Are the side mount bushings supposed to be offset?
01-07-2012, 04:07 PM
#975
Whats up with RDX owners?
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Had to drill the front hole on the mount out about 1/8" for it to fit properly.
03-08-2012, 07:59 AM
#977
Still no more reviews on the 62a mounts? I'm going to rent a car for a day to get mine installed.
TBH, I don't even feel like being bothered with the rear mount and I still don't see how to access the rear bolt on the front mount (well, to properly torque it).
TBH, I don't even feel like being bothered with the rear mount and I still don't see how to access the rear bolt on the front mount (well, to properly torque it).
03-08-2012, 09:56 AM
#978
Installed for over a year, going strong. No breakage of anything.
With adding the radius rod bushings I'm really enjoying the way this car drives when pushed hard.
Still have to occasionally tighten things up. Like recently the gauge bezel trim due to a rattle. The 75a mounts are stiff. Plain and simple. Not for the faint of heart. Doesn't bother me at all as my sole purpose when modding is for performance gains. I'm not too concerned with increased levels of nvh.
Id wouldn't have it any other way.
With adding the radius rod bushings I'm really enjoying the way this car drives when pushed hard.
Still have to occasionally tighten things up. Like recently the gauge bezel trim due to a rattle. The 75a mounts are stiff. Plain and simple. Not for the faint of heart. Doesn't bother me at all as my sole purpose when modding is for performance gains. I'm not too concerned with increased levels of nvh.
Id wouldn't have it any other way.
Last edited by SlickShiftNall6; 03-08-2012 at 09:59 AM.
03-08-2012, 10:42 AM
#979
Thats interesting that you say that. How many miles did u put on the car since you installed them ? My mounts were shot last time i checked it and i put the stock one back on the side was still ok though but i recieved it in the later time due to the wrong shipment. The rear was shot and front too. I spoke with civicdrivr and he told me that it seems like his mounts are gone too. I was very busy last few weeks and i didnt have time to contact Josh about it but i def will.
Last edited by StreetKA; 03-08-2012 at 10:48 AM.
03-08-2012, 10:46 AM
#980
Installed for over a year, going strong. No breakage of anything.
With adding the radius rod bushings I'm really enjoying the way this car drives when pushed hard.
Still have to occasionally tighten things up. Like recently the gauge bezel trim due to a rattle. The 75a mounts are stiff. Plain and simple. Not for the faint of heart. Doesn't bother me at all as my sole purpose when modding is for performance gains. I'm not too concerned with increased levels of nvh.
Id wouldn't have it any other way.
With adding the radius rod bushings I'm really enjoying the way this car drives when pushed hard.
Still have to occasionally tighten things up. Like recently the gauge bezel trim due to a rattle. The 75a mounts are stiff. Plain and simple. Not for the faint of heart. Doesn't bother me at all as my sole purpose when modding is for performance gains. I'm not too concerned with increased levels of nvh.
Id wouldn't have it any other way.
lol
03-08-2012, 11:57 AM
#981
Check the the radius rod thread for more info.
Street- I've put about 10-12k in the last year. A few months after install I pulled the side mount out to replace my p/s pump that failed and saw no ill affects of hard driving on the bushings. I might have to go the extra mile and pull all the mounts out for inspection when I due my tbelt service. Will post pics and update if and when I do so.
All I can think of is that you and civicdrivr are putting down way more power then me. I dyno'ed 245, since then I've only done pulleys, plugs and chassis stiffeners. I assume to be in the mid 250 range. You guys are close to 300. You might have hit the limit on the 75a bushings. I mean civic is shredding axles and you have motor problems from that power. I'm still rolling with balding rubber. So I'm still not putting all my power down.
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03-08-2012, 12:32 PM
#982
I went with the energy suspension bushings from the accord that fits. Its a nice upgrade.
Check the the radius rod thread for more info.
Street- I've put about 10-12k in the last year. A few months after install I pulled the side mount out to replace my p/s pump that failed and saw no ill affects of hard driving on the bushings. I might have to go the extra mile and pull all the mounts out for inspection when I due my tbelt service. Will post pics and update if and when I do so.
All I can think of is that you and civicdrivr are putting down way more power then me. I dyno'ed 245, since then I've only done pulleys, plugs and chassis stiffeners. I assume to be in the mid 250 range. You guys are close to 300. You might have hit the limit on the 75a bushings. I mean civic is shredding axles and you have motor problems from that power. I'm still rolling with balding rubber. So I'm still not putting all my power down.
Check the the radius rod thread for more info.
Street- I've put about 10-12k in the last year. A few months after install I pulled the side mount out to replace my p/s pump that failed and saw no ill affects of hard driving on the bushings. I might have to go the extra mile and pull all the mounts out for inspection when I due my tbelt service. Will post pics and update if and when I do so.
All I can think of is that you and civicdrivr are putting down way more power then me. I dyno'ed 245, since then I've only done pulleys, plugs and chassis stiffeners. I assume to be in the mid 250 range. You guys are close to 300. You might have hit the limit on the 75a bushings. I mean civic is shredding axles and you have motor problems from that power. I'm still rolling with balding rubber. So I'm still not putting all my power down.
03-08-2012, 01:17 PM
#983
Installed for over a year, going strong. No breakage of anything.
With adding the radius rod bushings I'm really enjoying the way this car drives when pushed hard.
Still have to occasionally tighten things up. Like recently the gauge bezel trim due to a rattle. The 75a mounts are stiff. Plain and simple. Not for the faint of heart. Doesn't bother me at all as my sole purpose when modding is for performance gains. I'm not too concerned with increased levels of nvh.
Id wouldn't have it any other way.
With adding the radius rod bushings I'm really enjoying the way this car drives when pushed hard.
Still have to occasionally tighten things up. Like recently the gauge bezel trim due to a rattle. The 75a mounts are stiff. Plain and simple. Not for the faint of heart. Doesn't bother me at all as my sole purpose when modding is for performance gains. I'm not too concerned with increased levels of nvh.
Id wouldn't have it any other way.
As for the radius rod bushings don't even get me started on those lmao. I installed a set of brand new oem ones back in a week ago because I hated the moog ones they caused vibration and squeaking. I love the way it feels back to oem ones now.
03-08-2012, 03:20 PM
#984
Whats up with RDX owners?
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My front and rear bushings are seeing the same fate as the Innovative Mounts, theyve doughnut'ed. Im running the 75A set, both torque dampers in factory locations, and the Stiffy mount. I checked them a few weeks ago, at which point they had 5-6k miles on them.
I dont think the 75A can handle the power Im putting down, the agressive clutch, or sticky tires. Im sending an email to Josh now to find out about the 90A bushings. If I cant get them, Ill get the 75A replacements and swap the OEM mounts back in - at least I could get ~25k miles out of those.
At the moment Im just over 300 at the wheels, and I plan to be nearing mid-300s by Spring time.
I dont think the 75A can handle the power Im putting down, the agressive clutch, or sticky tires. Im sending an email to Josh now to find out about the 90A bushings. If I cant get them, Ill get the 75A replacements and swap the OEM mounts back in - at least I could get ~25k miles out of those.
At the moment Im just over 300 at the wheels, and I plan to be nearing mid-300s by Spring time.
Last edited by civicdrivr; 03-08-2012 at 03:25 PM.
03-08-2012, 04:49 PM
#985
My front and rear bushings are seeing the same fate as the Innovative Mounts, theyve doughnut'ed. Im running the 75A set, both torque dampers in factory locations, and the Stiffy mount. I checked them a few weeks ago, at which point they had 5-6k miles on them.
I dont think the 75A can handle the power Im putting down, the agressive clutch, or sticky tires. Im sending an email to Josh now to find out about the 90A bushings. If I cant get them, Ill get the 75A replacements and swap the OEM mounts back in - at least I could get ~25k miles out of those.
At the moment Im just over 300 at the wheels, and I plan to be nearing mid-300s by Spring time.
I dont think the 75A can handle the power Im putting down, the agressive clutch, or sticky tires. Im sending an email to Josh now to find out about the 90A bushings. If I cant get them, Ill get the 75A replacements and swap the OEM mounts back in - at least I could get ~25k miles out of those.
At the moment Im just over 300 at the wheels, and I plan to be nearing mid-300s by Spring time.
03-08-2012, 06:21 PM
#986
im gonna put my mounts on this weekend, just the front and back bc i didnt get a side but got another front one and excelerate said he sent me a "call tag" so i can ship out the other mount and get the right one back. can anyone tell me where i find this "call tag" or what i have to do?
also he still doesnt have the 90a mounts which im kinda disappointed in. and my nrg torque dampner bracket broke. the two flanges on the bottom snapped off, i think bc of torque. im gonna email them about that too.
also he still doesnt have the 90a mounts which im kinda disappointed in. and my nrg torque dampner bracket broke. the two flanges on the bottom snapped off, i think bc of torque. im gonna email them about that too.
03-08-2012, 10:13 PM
#987
Whats up with RDX owners?
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If he still doesnt have 90A bushings I guess Im going back to OEM polyfilled mounts 
03-09-2012, 08:18 AM
#988
im gonna put my mounts on this weekend, just the front and back bc i didnt get a side but got another front one and excelerate said he sent me a "call tag" so i can ship out the other mount and get the right one back. can anyone tell me where i find this "call tag" or what i have to do?
also he still doesnt have the 90a mounts which im kinda disappointed in. and my nrg torque dampner bracket broke. the two flanges on the bottom snapped off, i think bc of torque. im gonna email them about that too.
also he still doesnt have the 90a mounts which im kinda disappointed in. and my nrg torque dampner bracket broke. the two flanges on the bottom snapped off, i think bc of torque. im gonna email them about that too.
I've been trying to get 90A bushings for a long time now; they are hard to come by. Additional bushings can be difficult to source as most of the bushings are allocated for new mounts by the fabricator. As soon as we get 90A bushings I will send them to you.
And there are 2 members saying the bushings have elongated. Please send pictures to me at sales@excelerateperformance.com
I have 200+ of the mounts sets between the 2G and 3G platform in the field and I've only had 1 person so far elongate bushings. So I'd be interested to see a picture of what you have.
03-09-2012, 09:04 AM
#989
You should get the innovative vertical designed front mount 85a. Ive had mine for over a year and about 20k miles and there is almost no donuting. Even my back mount seems to be holding up very good . Its just the horizontal design is very easy to warp. The vertical design is much better in my opinion. I also have no dampers and my motor does not budge when i rev it.
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03-22-2012, 01:19 AM
#991
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Front Bracket not flush with mount
Sent you an email Josh. Wondering if you can help me with something.
Are the rear mounts from a automatic and front mounts from a automatic/manual a different height still?
Are the rear mounts from a automatic and front mounts from a automatic/manual a different height still?
Last edited by nob0dey; 03-22-2012 at 01:27 AM.
03-28-2012, 09:05 AM
#992
I finally put in the front and side mounts. Vibration caught me by surprise at first, but I got used to them/they've kinda broken in. I can definitely tell a difference..I'm loving the better throttle response. My front one's top could move up and down like a piston once I got it off. It was definitely ripped.
Quick question though: Should the thru-bolts for the front/rear be torqued to something specifically?
Quick question though: Should the thru-bolts for the front/rear be torqued to something specifically?
Last edited by Neejay; 03-28-2012 at 09:08 AM.
03-28-2012, 11:57 AM
#993
I finally put in the front and side mounts. Vibration caught me by surprise at first, but I got used to them/they've kinda broken in. I can definitely tell a difference..I'm loving the better throttle response. My front one's top could move up and down like a piston once I got it off. It was definitely ripped.
Quick question though: Should the thru-bolts for the front/rear be torqued to something specifically?
Quick question though: Should the thru-bolts for the front/rear be torqued to something specifically?
03-28-2012, 12:54 PM
#995
The vibration is pretty intense, so if you don't like vibration it should be easy to decide against these mounts. My car is completely gutted, yet the mount vibration is the most annoying part of my car. I don't mind it too much but everyone else will think your car is broken.
03-28-2012, 01:18 PM
#996
The vibration is pretty intense, so if you don't like vibration it should be easy to decide against these mounts. My car is completely gutted, yet the mount vibration is the most annoying part of my car. I don't mind it too much but everyone else will think your car is broken.
03-29-2012, 04:44 AM
#999
Has anyone tried a combo of XLR8 and OEM? Like XLR8 front and side mounts, with OEM rear mount. Using an OEM rear mount significantly helped the excessive innovate mount vibrations, maybe it can help this setup too.
Seeing that the OEM rear doesn't fail until the front and side aren't able to handle their load, it should hold up pretty well too.
03-29-2012, 06:23 AM
#1000
I don't think it will feel like a pos car, but it will definitely take any luxury out of the drive. You will feel the vibrations through the steering wheel for sure.
Has anyone tried a combo of XLR8 and OEM? Like XLR8 front and side mounts, with OEM rear mount. Using an OEM rear mount significantly helped the excessive innovate mount vibrations, maybe it can help this setup too.
Seeing that the OEM rear doesn't fail until the front and side aren't able to handle their load, it should hold up pretty well too.
Has anyone tried a combo of XLR8 and OEM? Like XLR8 front and side mounts, with OEM rear mount. Using an OEM rear mount significantly helped the excessive innovate mount vibrations, maybe it can help this setup too.
Seeing that the OEM rear doesn't fail until the front and side aren't able to handle their load, it should hold up pretty well too.