Innovative motor mount discussion. **New mount info on page 13**
08-01-2008, 03:29 PM
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Originally Posted by TheSentinel
So I picked up my car today while simultaneously calling into a meeting for work (that was an interesting experience in itself.) While I was talking to my mechanic he was surprised by what he found. He actually drew the picture of it but since I can’t do that here I’ll describe it to you all.
Everyone remember play dough or some sort of clay right. Well imagine a ball of it in your hand, stick your finger in it and that’s how a new mount looks a hole perfectly in the center. Now teeter tot your finger in the play dough up and down (like a shifter going from first to second) and then look at the hole. The bushing is elongated around the metal shaft. Remember, I’ve only had these mounts for a month and don’t drive track and everything is stock on my 02 TL-S. (Pics will be posted in the morningwhen i upload them.)
I have serious concerns for those of you who have had mounts before the new bushing making method meaning anyone who received these mounts before the last week of June. I will be talking to Innovative first thing tomorrow.
No smilies in this posting I’m very serious about this.
Everyone remember play dough or some sort of clay right. Well imagine a ball of it in your hand, stick your finger in it and that’s how a new mount looks a hole perfectly in the center. Now teeter tot your finger in the play dough up and down (like a shifter going from first to second) and then look at the hole. The bushing is elongated around the metal shaft. Remember, I’ve only had these mounts for a month and don’t drive track and everything is stock on my 02 TL-S. (Pics will be posted in the morningwhen i upload them.)
I have serious concerns for those of you who have had mounts before the new bushing making method meaning anyone who received these mounts before the last week of June. I will be talking to Innovative first thing tomorrow.
No smilies in this posting I’m very serious about this.
Anyway, I'm opening up a mobile Martini business . . . . just mix and set it on my console and it will be thoroughly shaken . . . not stirred.
I'm going to see if I can get my son to take a short video demonstrating how violently it is shaking now. I take a plastic bottle about 2/3rds full and you can see the bottle shake and the water inside bubble like mad.
Ruf
08-01-2008, 04:56 PM
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Damn this sucks. Good thing I kept my OEM front mount. I am suddenly getting a ton of vibration when I shift into reverse I wonder if its related. Hope not. So did Innovative come back and say this was normal?
08-01-2008, 08:19 PM
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Holyy crizapp! i was justttt about to order these mounts and now im probly not going to! those bushings are messsed up! i duno if the harder bushing would be any different?...
08-01-2008, 08:32 PM
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Originally Posted by TheSentinel
So I picked up my car today while simultaneously calling into a meeting for work (that was an interesting experience in itself.) While I was talking to my mechanic he was surprised by what he found. He actually drew the picture of it but since I can’t do that here I’ll describe it to you all.
Everyone remember play dough or some sort of clay right. Well imagine a ball of it in your hand, stick your finger in it and that’s how a new mount looks a hole perfectly in the center. Now teeter tot your finger in the play dough up and down (like a shifter going from first to second) and then look at the hole. The bushing is elongated around the metal shaft. Remember, I’ve only had these mounts for a month and don’t drive track and everything is stock on my 02 TL-S. (Pics will be posted in the morningwhen i upload them.)
I have serious concerns for those of you who have had mounts before the new bushing making method meaning anyone who received these mounts before the last week of June. I will be talking to Innovative first thing tomorrow.
No smilies in this posting I’m very serious about this.
Everyone remember play dough or some sort of clay right. Well imagine a ball of it in your hand, stick your finger in it and that’s how a new mount looks a hole perfectly in the center. Now teeter tot your finger in the play dough up and down (like a shifter going from first to second) and then look at the hole. The bushing is elongated around the metal shaft. Remember, I’ve only had these mounts for a month and don’t drive track and everything is stock on my 02 TL-S. (Pics will be posted in the morningwhen i upload them.)
I have serious concerns for those of you who have had mounts before the new bushing making method meaning anyone who received these mounts before the last week of June. I will be talking to Innovative first thing tomorrow.
No smilies in this posting I’m very serious about this.
08-02-2008, 12:07 AM
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Originally Posted by CL-Future
Great, and I was having mine installed today 
One of our local guys is wanting some and I told him NO WAY on the rear!
That is until the rear is fixed . . . which I'm beginning to think the problem is bigger than what Innovative is capable of dealing with . .. or lacks the full commitiment required. I've talked with Tim before that I won't endorse the full set up until they do. He also talked about doing a test with me, but since I'm not local they probably don't trust me.
I'm calling them next week and ask them one more time to do one more test with my idea and if they don't agree, it's back to the OEM on the rear and I'm giving up on them.
Anyway, those of you that need mounts now, call Excelerate and see what kind of deal you can get for the front and side ONLY! If you have any questions PM me with your mobile# and I'll cover the details with you.
Ruf
08-02-2008, 12:32 AM
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WEll they said they did have bad batches with the old method of making bushings and who knows they may be right i'll be looking at the new method in about a month so i'll keep you guys posted in the feel. 
08-02-2008, 12:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Silvaccordex01
So did these "New" bushings make a difference for you. I got tired of the vibes a long time ago and sold them and put new OEM ones in. After having both in my car..i didnt notice that much difference in performance with the innovative ones..and the OEM ones are smooth as glass
08-02-2008, 08:42 AM
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Originally Posted by RUF87
One of our local guys is wanting some and I told him NO WAY on the rear!
That is until the rear is fixed . . . which I'm beginning to think the problem is bigger than what Innovative is capable of dealing with . .. or lacks the full commitiment required. I've talked with Tim before that I won't endorse the full set up until they do. He also talked about doing a test with me, but since I'm not local they probably don't trust me.
I'm calling them next week and ask them one more time to do one more test with my idea and if they don't agree, it's back to the OEM on the rear and I'm giving up on them.
Anyway, those of you that need mounts now, call Excelerate and see what kind of deal you can get for the front and side ONLY! If you have any questions PM me with your mobile# and I'll cover the details with you.
Ruf
That is until the rear is fixed . . . which I'm beginning to think the problem is bigger than what Innovative is capable of dealing with . .. or lacks the full commitiment required. I've talked with Tim before that I won't endorse the full set up until they do. He also talked about doing a test with me, but since I'm not local they probably don't trust me.
I'm calling them next week and ask them one more time to do one more test with my idea and if they don't agree, it's back to the OEM on the rear and I'm giving up on them.
Anyway, those of you that need mounts now, call Excelerate and see what kind of deal you can get for the front and side ONLY! If you have any questions PM me with your mobile# and I'll cover the details with you.
Ruf
08-02-2008, 10:14 AM
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Originally Posted by TheSentinel
WEll they said they did have bad batches with the old method of making bushings and who knows they may be right i'll be looking at the new method in about a month so i'll keep you guys posted in the feel.
08-02-2008, 11:40 AM
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Originally Posted by fuzzy02CLS
How different is the 6mt rear from the auto? Mine is ok. Yes more vibrations, but nothing like you guys are having. I got the redesign rear for the 6mt.
08-02-2008, 07:54 PM
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Its the bushing batch themselves the method for making them prior to 06/30 was flawed in some cases. Basically unless you ordered them recently (within the past month) then the is a possibility they could be bad, as with anything manufactured. Just check your bushings after about a month for the "play dough" effect.
08-04-2008, 12:04 AM
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I don't know if you guys knew this, but there is a new group buy for these mounts going on over in the Sponsored Sales & Group Buys area.
I'm sorry, but I had to post a warning out there as this is still an onging issue and I told Tim and Excelerate that I will not endorse these mounts until those of us who bought all 3 mount in that first group buy are taken care of.
I've also told both of them that I'm willing to be a good reference for them as the improvements over the OEM mounts is significant, but not until the problem is resolved.
https://acurazine.com/forums/showthr...85#post6131085
Ruf
I'm sorry, but I had to post a warning out there as this is still an onging issue and I told Tim and Excelerate that I will not endorse these mounts until those of us who bought all 3 mount in that first group buy are taken care of.
I've also told both of them that I'm willing to be a good reference for them as the improvements over the OEM mounts is significant, but not until the problem is resolved.
https://acurazine.com/forums/showthr...85#post6131085
Ruf
08-04-2008, 12:51 AM
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I am honestly a little shocked they are trying to organize another group buy. If mine are all jacked up like sentinel's I am going to call and ask for new bushings. These are supposed to have a lifetime warranty aren't they?
08-04-2008, 04:12 AM
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Originally Posted by Billy Sacco
I am honestly a little shocked they are trying to organize another group buy. If mine are all jacked up like sentinel's I am going to call and ask for new bushings. These are supposed to have a lifetime warranty aren't they?
. yeah right now the vib is kinda light though there is still some there. If it continues to be low i wont mind . I'm not entirely sure i'm their favorite over at Innovative as i've been on them for almost a month straight. I'll report on any changes in the new bushings as they develop.
08-04-2008, 09:27 AM
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Originally Posted by RUF87
I don't know if you guys knew this, but there is a new group buy for these mounts going on over in the Sponsored Sales & Group Buys area.
I'm sorry, but I had to post a warning out there as this is still an onging issue and I told Tim and Excelerate that I will not endorse these mounts until those of us who bought all 3 mount in that first group buy are taken care of.
I've also told both of them that I'm willing to be a good reference for them as the improvements over the OEM mounts is significant, but not until the problem is resolved.
https://acurazine.com/forums/showthr...85#post6131085
Ruf
I'm sorry, but I had to post a warning out there as this is still an onging issue and I told Tim and Excelerate that I will not endorse these mounts until those of us who bought all 3 mount in that first group buy are taken care of.
I've also told both of them that I'm willing to be a good reference for them as the improvements over the OEM mounts is significant, but not until the problem is resolved.
https://acurazine.com/forums/showthr...85#post6131085
Ruf
Innovative has a lifetime warranty on their mounts so they will send you new bushings. Just give them a call. 714-524-5246 They have been in business for years and I have never had a single issue with any of their Civic, Integra, CRX, or S2000 mounts.
Also, RUF you removed that collar which could cause an elongation in the bushing. Make sure to put it back in. It's there for a reason. I know you removed it for test purposes but to be safe make sure you keep it in.
08-04-2008, 10:51 AM
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Originally Posted by Excelerate
That is not a GB for the 2nd gen mounts; it's for the 3rd gen TL mounts. So no need to post a warning. I even waited months to post up that sale on the 3rd gen TL b/c I was trying to get you guys all taken care of and I lost dozens of sales to another member b/c of it. I'm still working on the 2nd gen stuff. On a side note I've sold 2 kits within the past month and neither have had issues from what I can tell.
Innovative has a lifetime warranty on their mounts so they will send you new bushings. Just give them a call. 714-524-5246 They have been in business for years and I have never had a single issue with any of their Civic, Integra, CRX, or S2000 mounts.
Also, RUF you removed that collar which could cause an elongation in the bushing. Make sure to put it back in. It's there for a reason. I know you removed it for test purposes but to be safe make sure you keep it in.
Innovative has a lifetime warranty on their mounts so they will send you new bushings. Just give them a call. 714-524-5246 They have been in business for years and I have never had a single issue with any of their Civic, Integra, CRX, or S2000 mounts.
Also, RUF you removed that collar which could cause an elongation in the bushing. Make sure to put it back in. It's there for a reason. I know you removed it for test purposes but to be safe make sure you keep it in.
Please stay in the loop as the vibration problem is not getting better but worse. I need to do something ASAP as I'm starting to worry that the intense vibrations may start causing other problems.
Ruf
08-04-2008, 11:06 AM
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Originally Posted by TheSentinel
Yeah i got my replacements before i found out how jacked they were. In fact i had no idea how bad they were till my mechanic was like . yeah right now the vib is kinda light though there is still some there. If it continues to be low i wont mind . I'm not entirely sure i'm their favorite over at Innovative as i've been on them for almost a month straight. I'll report on any changes in the new bushings as they develop.
. yeah right now the vib is kinda light though there is still some there. If it continues to be low i wont mind . I'm not entirely sure i'm their favorite over at Innovative as i've been on them for almost a month straight. I'll report on any changes in the new bushings as they develop.Can you help put some pressure on Tim to go ahead and send me what I need. I know what I'm doing here and just need them to work with me. It's not going to cost them much as I just need them to send me the bushings I discussed with Tim many months ago now, so here's what I would want.
A set of new replacement bushings for the front and rear mounts. I also want a set of the 'street-strip' bushings for the front. I will test and report on the results so that together we can resolve this issue.
The first thing I will do is replace the old bushings with the new street ones and report on what happens. Then I will replace the front bushing with the street-strip bushings and report what happens with them. We should be able to tell from that whether we're on the right track or not.
Again, this would cost them minimal as the bushings weigh very little. We need to make faster progress here as I'm close to giving up and removing the rear Innovative mount and go back to OEM.
Ruf
08-04-2008, 07:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Excelerate
On a side note I've sold 2 kits within the past month and neither have had issues from what I can tell.
Sentinel, can you find out how the bushings differ between 3G and 2G?
08-04-2008, 10:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Mike
...Sentinel, can you find out how the bushings differ between 3G and 2G?
08-05-2008, 07:27 PM
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Do we have a time frame of when all this fine tunning is going to be done and have a final product without any problems, as I need my mounts replaced soon and I am thinking oem right now, to be on the safe side.
08-05-2008, 07:58 PM
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Originally Posted by TheSentinel
Are you talking process or composition? From what they said All bushings now use a new process which removes more bubbles from the bushing, making them less prone to error
08-07-2008, 06:22 PM
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So I finished going over a few concerns with Tim.
The composition is the same, composition being the polymers/"ingredients" used to make the bushing the process/"baking" is different.
The difference between the two are the point of support has an extra piece to allow for the difference in engine variation.
In regard to the coined term "play dough" effect, it seems that this is most likely due to the difference between the configurations of the Manual and Auto since most of the complaints are coming from the Auto versions of vehicles.
I'll be going back to check it out next week. By the way it looks and feels like i'm starting to get the "play dough" effect.
it would be great to know the difference in composition. I don't care about the process as long as they resolve the issue.
Sentinel, can you find out how the bushings differ between 3G and 2G?
In regard to the coined term "play dough" effect, it seems that this is most likely due to the difference between the configurations of the Manual and Auto since most of the complaints are coming from the Auto versions of vehicles.
I'll be going back to check it out next week. By the way it looks and feels like i'm starting to get the "play dough" effect.
08-08-2008, 04:16 PM
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Originally Posted by CL-Future
Do you have a 6spd or auto? I have a 6spd, so hopefully mine turn out ok.
Ruf
08-08-2008, 04:19 PM
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Originally Posted by TheSentinel
So I finished going over a few concerns with Tim.
The composition is the same, composition being the polymers/"ingredients" used to make the bushing the process/"baking" is different.
The difference between the two are the point of support has an extra piece to allow for the difference in engine variation.
In regard to the coined term "play dough" effect, it seems that this is most likely due to the difference between the configurations of the Manual and Auto since most of the complaints are coming from the Auto versions of vehicles.
I'll be going back to check it out next week. By the way it looks and feels like i'm starting to get the "play dough" effect.
The composition is the same, composition being the polymers/"ingredients" used to make the bushing the process/"baking" is different.
The difference between the two are the point of support has an extra piece to allow for the difference in engine variation.
In regard to the coined term "play dough" effect, it seems that this is most likely due to the difference between the configurations of the Manual and Auto since most of the complaints are coming from the Auto versions of vehicles.
I'll be going back to check it out next week. By the way it looks and feels like i'm starting to get the "play dough" effect.
Ruf
08-13-2008, 05:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Silvaccordex01
i had the 6 speed mounts and they were stretching or Play doughing just like the Auto ones are when i took them out and sold them
I'm going to call Tim now and see what's up.
Ruf
08-13-2008, 06:51 PM
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I wonder if mine are doing it. All of the sudden my car has been vibrating a lot especially when in reverse. I will inspect them when I get a chance and let everyone know.
08-13-2008, 06:57 PM
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Okay, not quite what I would have hoped for in a perfect world, but here's what came of the call.
#1) Tim said that they worked on Sentinel's car and experienced no vibration problems. So, Sentinel . . . is that true, the problems gone?
#2) Tim did say they have a new bushing set up. If we send in our mounts, they will inspect the old bushings and replace them if there's a problem with doughing or otherwise. I did ask about sending them out so we can just do it ourselves, but he said the new bushings needed to be installed using their installation process . . in other words using a vise would not be acceptable.
#3) Tim also said they tested various set ups that included harder compositions and it made no difference.
Anyway, this means I'll need to take mine out and ship the whole thing to them. Oh well, I do need to take mine in to the body shop next week so maybe it's good timing for a change . . other than being in the wrong place at the wrong time when some guy backs in to my car . . . .
Ruf
#1) Tim said that they worked on Sentinel's car and experienced no vibration problems. So, Sentinel . . . is that true, the problems gone?
#2) Tim did say they have a new bushing set up. If we send in our mounts, they will inspect the old bushings and replace them if there's a problem with doughing or otherwise. I did ask about sending them out so we can just do it ourselves, but he said the new bushings needed to be installed using their installation process . . in other words using a vise would not be acceptable.
#3) Tim also said they tested various set ups that included harder compositions and it made no difference.
Anyway, this means I'll need to take mine out and ship the whole thing to them. Oh well, I do need to take mine in to the body shop next week so maybe it's good timing for a change . . other than being in the wrong place at the wrong time when some guy backs in to my car . . . .
Ruf
08-13-2008, 06:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Billy Sacco
I wonder if mine are doing it. All of the sudden my car has been vibrating a lot especially when in reverse. I will inspect them when I get a chance and let everyone know.
Ruf
08-13-2008, 08:57 PM
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I was one of the people excelerate reffered to as purchasing the mounts in the last month. I have the side mount installed and havent had time to do my front and rear. I'm 6mt but from what I'm reading even some of you 6mt had problems with the elongating "playdough" effect. Hopefully I won't have the same problem in a month or so... this thread is startin to worry me 