im looking to do this conversion (auto to 6spd) im my TL due to the tranny dieing so many times on me. what is the difference in the computers between the auto and the manual?
will the auto computer work if i put a manual in it?

any advise is very appreaciated

 

anything is possible with mad $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$... but yea it aint gon be easy.. and hell no your auto pc will not work.

 

It will be cheaper to just trade yours in and get the 6speed.... cause there are soo many changes b/w the auto and the manual...

 

so far all the parts ive been able to locate im not over 2500$$ ill do the labor, i just need to figure out what i need to do in refrence to the computer

 

they dont make the 2nd gen in a manual, and i cant very well trade it in with a tranny that doesnt work (for teh 3rd time)

 

they made the 2nd gen in a manual... its the 03 model that had that option. i got one w/navi.

 

oops my bad... just buy a 03 CL w/ manual....

but I dont know if you have the money and time I would love to see how you accomplished this change! i dont think any1 w/ a TL has converted theirs into a manual yet...

 

oooh doh! my bad.. he has a TL hehehe.. iono mang gonna be alot of work.

 

just buy a new TL with the 6 speed. The hours of labor are gonna be endless.

 

i dont have the money to just dump on a new car, and then i have to find something to do with mine with a blown tranny. the CL isnt a option because i need 4 doors and i dont fit (im 6'5) i just need to knwo electrically whats different between the CL with the auto and the CL with the manual. (since the cl and tl share the same unit body) every thing will fit, i just need to know whats different electrically.

 

this has been brought up soo many times, i dont think its worth the headache

 

Not gonna happen for $2500 in parts... impossible unless you steal it. Also, your VIN won't be accurate and the car will not be street legal. You'll need to START with the following:

engine management computer
transmission
flywheel
complete shifter assembly
clutch package
clutch master
clutch slave
clutch hydraulic lines
pedal assembly
emergency brake assembly and cables
engine mounts
engine shock
subframe
axles and stub axle
intake plumbing
catalyst forward exhaust or Comptech header assembly
center console assembly and related minor components
money to make changes to the wiring harness as needed
time and money to troubleshoot

 

Speaking from experience (I converted my Accord auto-->manual), here is the problem you will run into: the TL was not designed with a manual tranmission version at the time thus it will not have mounting locations for the clutch pedal, clutch line, shifter, shift cables, etc etc... Also on my Accord I needed to cut off and reweld on a different tranny mount bracket since the transmissions mount differently to the chassis; so keep in mind this project will totally ruin the resale vale of your car.
That being said, all I had to do was simply unplug the auto-tranny ECU and the car ran fine off the engine ECU. Other electrical problems were getting the reverse lights to work, cruise control, and bypassing the transmission lockout to get the engine to start in any gear. Lot of troubleshooting but worth it in my old Accord because I hated that pos auto tranny.

 

fsttyms1
Your sig says you have a 2000 TL. Is this correct?
What parts do you have now? Are they from a CL type S 6 speed?
The 00 TL & the 03 CLS 6 speed are 2 different cars. With different engines & drivetrains. I just don't see it fitting.

 

thanks BlueCLS6 that was the answer i was looking for.
as for mrsteve i dont know how things work in maryland but swaping out a tranny wont make the car not street legal here. i found a front clip thats been (stripped of body parts lights, ect..)and the tranny, the guy at the salvage yard said i can have it all for 2500.

fuzzy02cls yes i have a 2000 tl. i know they are different cars but they share alot of the same frame stuff. it will fit. the cl uses the same block and tranny the tl uses.

now just to determine if im going to do it. a new car isnt a option, and i dont want another tranny thats going to fail. ive been checking into rebuilts and all the places ive called say they go off what the factory recomends for par specs and esentially they are unchanged from the factory. meaning they too will fail. if im going to drop 20 some hundred on a rebuilt thats going to fail i might as well spend it in a conversion that wont fail. doing the work my self will be easy (ive done conversions before, including a B18 into a metro)

 

The ECU's will not match up. You'd need the ECU out of a 6 speed CLS. To make it more troublesome, the 6 speed was only available on the Type S motor which is not the same as a 00 TL motor. So I'm not sure the engine will even run right with the CLS ECU.

What are they from? A CLS 6 speed?

 

the tranny will bolt to the tl engine. the blocks are the same. im not sure i even need the CLS ecu. thats what ive been trying to figure out.

and yes its a 03 CLS front clip

 

someone already stated it can cost aroun $5 ~ $8k in previous threads.
Now, if you try to sell it later... i bet your car will not be worth even the price it had before the tranny swap.

 

did you even bother to read through the thread?

 

positive

 

If you try and run the 2000 TL ECU you will have problems. The absence of the transaxle inputs will cause many DTCs to be set and most likely put the ECU into limp mode. So that would be pointless.

You are in another squeeze if you tried to swap in the 6MT ECU. As pointed out, the 6MT is the Type-S engine which would not be a good combination.

Rock --- You --- Hard Place

And forgive me for sounding skeptical but we have quite a bit of BS come through here. But asking these rudimentary questions does not support your claim of being able to perform this swap your self. If you could perform this rather complex task, welding, wiring, solving problems, etc. these simple questions would not need to be asked.

 

Ah, but this was pre-OBDII days.

Also, the ECU in the 2000 TL and 6MT CL-S are not interchangeable; the connectors and pin outs are different. But that is irrelevant as you cannot run the 6MT ECU with the 2000 TL engine (J32A1).

 

fsttyms1,

If you REALLY love your car I suggest giving a call to Dr. Evil in IL.
My buddy is going to pick up tomorrow his 4AT (custom upgraded from scratch) made by them for his Accord V6 with CLS heads/manifold and s/c. It supposed to handle up to 500whp . Also other 8 people already ordered it.

He is like

Despite the fact yours is 5AT they (Dr. Evil) is the ONLY one who could deliver it for AV6. I'm sure for the $4-$5K they can make it happen for your TLS. Just a thought.

 

have you given the velocity resources one any thought?

 

Dr. EVIL, baby
This is 4AT and pretty sure they can make 5AT.

 

And supposed to handle at least 450whp. Time will tell