Hmmm. At normal cruising RPM (anything up to say, 85 mph, which is about 3800 RPM), I've found my 1.8T engine to be all but inaudible -- just the faintest buzz which is less apparent than even the wind noise. Meanwhile, I found the valve-train noise in the TSX to be quite apparent even at slower speeds like 40-50 mph.

This is with the MT.

(On the other hand, I'd certainly agree that the TSX has a more pleasant engine note in the higher RPM range.)

None of this really has anything to do with turbocharging, though, except to the extent that the extra low-end torque allows you to operate the engine at lower RPM. The 1.8T doesn't have balance shafts while the TSX does, which is why the TSX engine is smoother at higher RPM. I was originally comparing the 1.8T to the 2.5L I5 in the Vigor, and I5's have even worse balancing characteristics than I4's in some regards.

 

I read somewhere on this forum the 2006 will be equipped with LED tail lights. Can anyone at least confirm this?

 

I've tried the SMG gearboxes in both the 330i and the M3 (thank you BMW Driver School) and they're both pretty decent. The one in the M3 is better more due to the control in the shift patterns and launch control rather than just the .08 second shift speeds (which is plenty fast). The problem comes in that both have challenges in 'blipping' the throttle on downshifts to lower gears (like dropping from 4th to 2nd when coming into a hairpain off a straight, for example). This also leads to very abrupt gearchanges when you're in in the agressive shift patterns (again, i think this is more the engine not 'blipping' the throttle to match than anything else). I'm very interested in seeing what the Gen III box in the new M5 will be like (as well as the DSG in either the A3 or the new S4)

It depends entirely on the quality on the SMG box. I would personally want to drive such a system before writing them off out of hand (and when i talk SMG, i mean trannies that are basically manuals with an electrically controlled clutch like BMW and Ferrari, not the 'choose-your-gear' automatics that most auto-makers have)

Indeed. 2nd gear and Honda retuning the ECU along the lines of the Hondata reflash would be very welcome changes indeed.

 

SMG = "manual" tranny with electronically and hydraulically controlled clutch, gear shifting and throttle (i.e. blipping on downshifts)

Don't get me wrong, I will definitely jump on the very first chance to try driving one of those awesome engeering products! But on a daily driver in which I do spirited driving, I am pretty sure I would prefer to keep the complete control instead of giving that over to the software programming, electronics and hydraulics (the big irony is that I am a software programmer by profession).

 

I found this article on VTEC.net with regard to Acura and Honda model lineup changes.

http://www.vtec.net/news/news-item?news_item_id=346150

 

How reliable is that source? and if so does ur source mention which year the turbo will most likely emerge into the TSX? 2007? 2008?

 

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Nice piece of info there pro. I hope your right. So is that an 06 or 07 Turbo?

 

Yea that was posted in post #40 on page 2 of this very thread.

 

Info on turbo for TSX would be '07 or '08 for sure based the discussion I had. My personal view is Acura doesn't need to (and thus won't) do this while TSX sales are scalding hot. This would be a huge move for Acura ... and a whole new playing field opened up for Honda/Acura ...

 

I wish that the TSX could get a turbo! I'm presently looking to get a new car, (a GT, Gran Turismo, good luxury and good performances for long travels, more than 700 miles between point A and point B) and I'm considering the TSX. I'm in love with the car! Good look, great cab! Big enough, good fuel milleage, no options, good reliability, etc. It would end in my garage if it wasn't from one major flaw that kills the passion! Where's the torque? Seriously, I passed the age to have fun revving the engine in the cutoff 2000 times a day. My current car have 235lbs of torque right under 2000rpm! (Volvo turbo, low pressure). ok, the TSX have 200hp, but I'll almost never use them since I pass 95% of my time between 2000 and 3500rpm.

But the way, my turbo have 0.1 second of lag, if you complain with that, get a F16! As for reliability, my car is close to 300,000 miles of use and abuse and the turbo is still A1, never ever failed (ok, won't say anything about the reliability of the rest of the car! ). So, if the engine master Honda is saying that it is a reliability problem, ( ) I'll tell them to return to school and do their homework again.

Ok, Honda: You have 5 weeks to change your mind about putting a turbo in the TSX before I get a Subaru GT! Just give me 200lbs of torque at 3000rpm and I'll be happy!

The purists won't like me, but it's still my

By the way, great board with a lot of useful informations!

 

Get a TL.

 

Hey Provench, any news from "T_e O___e" if the 6MT TSX is going to be discontinued for 06, like he reported earlier?????

 

Canceling the 6MT would be about the worst change they could make in 2006! It would be absurd for Acura -- who have always claimed a sporty luxury car image -- to not have a 6MT option for the sportiest sedan they offer (the TSX)!

 

That's been agreed upon here before... dropping the 6MT on TSX will be a deadly mistake.

And just to go on the record once more about turbo on TSX, I still don't buy that speculation. I believe it's Honda/Acura trying to throw the competition off.

 

Not sure if the intent of this thread is to speculate or to get the inside scoop on what we can actually expect such as slight changes. Seems like we are speculating way beyond 2006.

So until the 2006's are released: LED tail lights? A slight change in the grille such as the 2003 TL getting larger? The Type-S lights cutting slightly into the bumper? 10-15 HP increase is probably accurate. Memory seats wouldnt be too far fetched. Lets start nailing down what we can actually expect for 2006.

 

I understand that the little electric hybrid motors are AWESOME when it comes to torque. That would really help the TSX in the lowend torque. I read about the Accord hybrids and wouldn't mind test driving it. Sheeeet, I'm going to go check it out today.

 

Just why do you think that? The motors in the powered seats in the TSX almost certainly already have the feedback wire so adding a memory function would be less than $20 in parts!

Okay, memory setting for the driver's seat!!!

 

I think you read it wrong, he's saying memory seats WOULDN'T be too far fetched

 

DOH! You're right, I completely missed the nt part but I'm blaming that on the apostrophe he left out.

 

Btw...i read through the June issue of Motor Trend and they got a blur that still says that the RDX will get a 260hp turbo.....while TOV says itz most likely a V6? now i'm getting confused....lol

 

I think that's exactly what Honda/Acura was trying to achieve... confuse their competitors

 

It doesn't really matter, we all know its going to have 260hp or more.

 

260+ hp for 2006 TSX, I really doubt it... how much hp does TL have? Would be cutting it too close.

Either way, won't really affect me, not like I'll swap my '05 in for an '06

 

I think they are talking about the RDX...could be wrong

 

oh yeah... GundamZZ did say "RDX". Hmm... I thought the thread title says "2006 TSX"

 

Yes 260+hp for RDX.

 

Isn't it about time "T_e O___e" gives us the latest scoop on the 2006 TSX?

 

haha...but i was saying in assumption that if the RDX gets the turbo then the TSX will likely get it as well.....so basically i WAS indirectly referring to the tsx

 

Isn't it also about time the official info on '06 model be available soon anyway?

 

I am too lazy to read over 6 pages...... so... can anyone tell me what's the changes in 06 TSX??? I bought a 05...and i will be pISSED if hp upgrade happens in 06

 

hahaa...the hp increase will most likely happen i think.....too bad

 

That'd probably only be moderate hp boost, nothing a Hondata reflash won't match or even better just my

 

AT turbos!!!!

 

Rumors, rumors....I may be dead wrong, but logic based on past behavior would indicate that there will be only very minor tweaks in the TSX for '06. Particularly given strong sales, Honda has never done any major mid-generation changes. It looks like the Accord will get revised tailights, which is in line with past models entering their fourth year. The tailight revamp may be more significant than normal b/c of strong criticism of the rear styling and flat sales. But I would not expect TSX to get anything beyond a minor tweak. Accura has rarely ever made any significant mid-generation changes, (and I don't think any of the Japanese manufs. do either). Production changes cost $$$$$. The Japanese manufs hew very carefully to the schedule of making frequent major model overhauls every 4-5 years, enabled in part by a strategy of minimizing the mid-model run changes to mostly cosmetic tweaks. The American manufs on the other hand will sell the same basic model for 15 years, but are more inclined to make more significant changes. Can anyone point to a major, significant change Honda has made to a model in the middle years of a generation,( that is, one that wasn't associated with a periodic complete over-haul of the model?) If not, we can all stop discussing this and wait 3-4 weeks for the official information.

 

My memory might be way off on this so forgive me if this is wrong...
But wasn't the vtec engine added to the Prelude line in 93 after the 4G was introduced in 92?

 

all i know is...if they make a turbo for '06 they had better sell the parts separately so i can do it to my ride

do you guys think that'd they'd sell em like that?

 

Here's what I expect:
1) 10-20 more HP and maybe some more torque too
2) new wheel design
3) a new color or two (maybe dropping one or two also)
4) a change in gearing for the 6MT
5) memory settings for the driver's seat

 

They who?

 

Acura

 

Ya, there's no way the '06 will have a turbo. We would have heard about it by now if it were the case. Actually, I wouldn't hold your breath because I doubt we'll see any substantial power increases until '08.