Wow, their 2006 TSX speculation sounds a lot like what I was saying!

 

TOV Regarding the RDX.

If the RDX gets it so does the TSX.

 

well, if the 07 is where the major changes will happen, i may trade up then, but yesterday, i purchased a 2005 acura tsx 6mt! carbon grey pearl with ebony interior!

so far, i have ordered the following:
comptech short throw
comptech sport springs
comptech titanium strut bar
comptech rear sway

 

Yes I saw that, but notice I said an AWD and turbo is not likely to ever happen for the TSX!

I'm skeptical just like Jeff (at VTEC.net) that we'll really see a turbo RDX. As I said before, I believe all this turbo talk is just Honda's way of misleading the competition!

 

Maybe it's their way of concealing an IMA motorisation?

 

The 06 TSX should have LED tailights to my understanding.

 

Hi guys and gals!

My first post here in a long, long time. The long time members will remember me.
My 2004 TSX is still going great. What about the rumor that the 6MT is going away for 06? This was reported by the Oracle some time ago. What has happened to him anyway?

Someone can PM me on the scoop on Justin if it is some kind of secret or something.

 

Wow, return of the old timers this week!

How you doing man?

Justin ... We all don't really know for sure what got into him, but it looks like he got fed up, and into one too many conflicts with members around here, as well as with his personnal and professionnal life, and went his way.

Nice to see the TSX is holding up just fine.

 

Hi there I am a newbie (here for less than 3 months)... welcome! Arr... welcome back

OK, on to topic now... what rumor about 6MT going away for 06?!?! First time hearing that for me I see no reason for ridding the 6MT... they could try (have to try very hard) to improve it, but no way to take it away! Unless replacing it with a 7MT?!?!

 

Any rumor of the 6MT going away in the '06 model is likely just some BS coming a salesmen trying to sell an '05 model.

 

Thanks Sauce. doing fine and loving my car

As you other old rimers may remember I have owned nothing but Acura's since 1992. The TSX is my 5th one and easily my favorite.

I am considering trading in my car for another TSX this fall. The 05 has so many subtle improvements over the 04. Heated side mirrors and backlit steering wheel controls the most important upgrades to me.

If the 06 doesn't have a manual transmission, then the 05 it is.

 

I would tend to agree with you, but the Oracle has long since been a great source of information and for the most part accurate.

If it wasn't from him I wouldn't be concerned.

 

Do you remember in what post he mentioned this? I would like to read it myself to see the entire context. I think it's more likely we see the TSX's 6MT get a gearing change rather than be dropped. Furthermore, I would think that more 6MT TSXs are sold than 6MT TLs so if Acura was going to dump a 6MT it would be the one in the TL.

 

https://acurazine.com/forums/showthread.php?p=204 , post #65 specifically.

 

Thanks Sauce. I just found it again as well. Not an easy find since it was in the RDX forum.

 

Okay, I could see the 6MT being replaced with a true sequential gearbox, but since those are currently still very expensive I would be surprised to see it happen anytime soon. I would think something like that is more likely to happen during a major facelift and not with a MMC were expecting to see in the '06 models. As for the CVT, I don't think many MT buyers would see a it as a worthy replacement.

 

I agree

I wouldn't replace a 6mt with a CVT, faster shifts is not the only reason people drive stick.

 

It is off course possible that they may just drop the 6MT all together to increase production on ath 5AT model.


This part of the quote worries me "6 speed manual may be discontinued in the near future. Due to low demand".

I agree CVT

 

There have also been rumors of honda working on a sequential manual like VW's DSG. That would be a more likely replacement for the 6MT than a CVT.

 

I'm going where the good manual transmissions are, If honda gets rid of them, i'm getting rid of honda.

 

If they drop the 6MT on the '06 TSX, then I won't be getting an Acura (or a Honda for that matter) this fall!

 

me too

 

Here that AHMC!!! Don't kill our fun!

In all honesty, I doubt they will do away with manual trannies. SMG's suck. Also, Lexus is screwing up by not offering a 6mt for the GS.

I do think it is interesting, however, that Honda will be making that turbo 4-cyl soon even though they usually stick to NA engines. Honda+turbo =

Slats

 

Have you ever tried one?

 

In all honesty, no. So I guess I'm simply saying that they suck in comparison to a traditional manual because I like to clutch. Also, I've read a lot about them and some aren't as quick as a good driver.

 

I've never tried a SMG either. But from the free BMW mag I used to received, BMW's SMG (especially SMG II) is lightening fast. If my memory serves me right, it's like .08s for a shift! It's amazing engineering

Having said that, I would not give up my traditional manual for a SMG, especially one as silky smooth as the 6MT on the TSX.

I just don't see Honda/Acura ridding 6MT, especially not on a car like TSX. No way!!!

EDIT: improving the gearing on the TSX 6MT (that dreaded 2nd gear!) would be very nice though!

 

http://www.vtec.net/news/news-item?news_item_id=355470

Doesn't look like the RDX (or the TSX) will get a turbo anytime soon -- that's no surprise to me though!

 

"Supposedly, Honda was not pleased with the durability of any of the available turbochargers on the market and decided that it would be best to launch the RDX with a V6. The development is said to be complete on this drivetrain and it is considered "available for use", so there's a possibility it could eventually appear in the RDX or another product once there is a turbocharger supplier who meets Honda's strict parts quality and durability standards. The turbocharger was said to carry favor because it could deliver the desired performance levels (comparable to a V6) but with improved fuel economy, a strong market consideration in this era of soaring fuel costs."

Well that's a pretty solid reason right there. Go for performance, but not at the cost of what's already established.

 

Although a V6 is more likely, I don't buy their reasoning that there isn't a turbo reliable enough for Honda. Honda already uses turbos in two of their products!

Mercedes, BMW, Volvo, Subaru, VW, Audi, Porsche, and many others have all managed to find turbos that work reliably. Nearly 100% of all big rigs on the road are turbo'd and they put millions of miles on those engines.

I see that this has a credibility rating of 7, I wonder what the credibility rating of the turbo story was?

 

 

indeed.

Although a V6 is good news for the RDX, there's no way they'd be able to get one into the engine bay of a current TSX. If the TSX is going to get more power, it won't be until the next generation. Well, we might see 10-20hp but not the kind of power the RDX will have.

 

Although a 225HP TSX with the K24 would be perfect IMO and I'm sure thats possible.

We shall see. The info being a year old and MT reporting it does not surprise me one bit.

 

Maybe it's just me, but when I think of relability I don't think of ANY of those brands! I do hear that Subie engines without blowers are very reliable FWIW. I think most people here would agree that Honda has a higher level of standard for reliability than any of those brands you mentioned.

But 99% of passenger cars are NOT driven like big rigs -- so that argument really doesn't apply.

 

Take my comment however you like but I would assume that if turbos were unreliable, they wouldn't be used in engines that haul 80,000lb loads through mountain passes.

How about Toyota? Remember the Supra? That thing is practically bulletproof.

 

I don't think that turbos automatically make a car unreliable, however, they do add another thing on the car that can "break." just like anything else on an engine, eventually they will break and they cost a lot to replace.

 

Assuming you could choose either a V6 or a turbo I4 in the TSX and both put out the same hp/tq, which would you choose?

 

6

 

Using the Mazda 6 as a comparison, the V6 adds 200lbs over the I4. I think that would kill the TSX's handling. Also turbos have very good fuel economy.

 

Again, you CANNOT compare experiences from rigs with passenger cars! That's apples to oranges -- yes they are both fruits but...

I'll admit I do associate Toyota of relability, but why aren't they still making turbo cars (for NA)?

 

If they add 3.0 V6 and SH-AWD, I'll be selling my '04 faster than you can say shizzle.