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Old 01-23-2016, 04:38 PM
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Too many RWC cams....
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I remember these single valve spring
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That 8.8:1 life...





Hmm..... Interesting...
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That 8.8:1 life...





Hmm..... Interesting...
Maybe you should have tried shoe horning in the volvo 4.4 v8 built by yamaha. It is narrow and set up for transverse layouts.
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Maybe you should have tried shoe horning in the volvo 4.4 v8 built by yamaha. It is narrow and set up for transverse layouts.
I hear ya, I will be inform the builder what I'm going for or/ what my setup will be. I would assume, a bulletproof block and a moderate/good flowing head should do the trick.
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what was that thing a flow restricter?
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Originally Posted by TheWrench116
what was that thing a flow restricter?
What the head?

4 Piston asked me to give them some time if I wanted the "head build" to be consider. I told them no rush, and to take all the time they needed. I'm sure they are laughing at me over there. But I know how this starts... Kind of like Prothane, Driveshaft shop, Ksport, and all the other companies we've had success with. It's only a matter of time until they give in to our annoying nagging for parts and service..
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Originally Posted by TheWrench116
what was that thing a flow restricter?
If you're talking about the block, I think it's to force the coolant to flow around the cylinder walls instead of just sitting there. I could be wrong. I don't see how else that bar would enhance anything else.
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Originally Posted by KenB350z
I hear ya, I will be inform the builder what I'm going for or/ what my setup will be. I would assume, a bulletproof block and a moderate/good flowing head should do the trick.
I am very excited for this! Keep it up!
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Old 01-25-2016, 10:48 AM
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Originally Posted by rsxdude
If you're talking about the block, I think it's to force the coolant to flow around the cylinder walls instead of just sitting there. I could be wrong. I don't see how else that bar would enhance anything else.









Yeah, I don't know... Here we have more photos of it up close.
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Tsx rods.
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Oil squirters!
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so TSX rods = off the shelf upgrades, right? and the bore is an off the shelf piston so drop in parts are good to go. or not so much?.?
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That is some oil pump





A view of the bare block with the oil squirters





The girdle





I guess it's a hybrid.?!







I'm going to take the block to get hot tank and cleaned up tomorrow, before sending it out.
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Originally Posted by TheWrench116
so TSX rods = off the shelf upgrades, right? and the bore is an off the shelf piston so drop in parts are good to go. or not so much?.?
I'm not to sure. There are so many RBC..RBB..RWC.. that i see when taking about the engine. There is a little of everything in this K23a1 for sure. It has the same stroke as the RBB (99mm); however, the bore is K23a1 67mm.
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I will be going through ERL/Drag Cartel for my short block assembly build. I'm still waiting on them to get word back from Darton. They were kinda weirded out when I asked about the K23a1 being built there. They do K24 blocks ONLY. Their only concern was that the deck height of the K23a1 wouldn't be the same as the K24. Lucky for us our block has the same deck height as the k24 (9.114"). YaY!!!!

So, it will not be long till there is a fully built K23a1 block around here!!! Damn, now I just hope 4 piston has success with my head...
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Very interesting setup. Thank you for keeping us updated with pictures and progress.
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Those arent tsx rods. Different part numbers. And bore is 86mm
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It would be a good idea to look into a type s oil pump. Most of these twin screw type pumps don't flow oil enough in higher rpms. Or look into a K20z3 oil pump. They're the same type as this rdx pump. I know they've been to 8600 on them. No sense in having a built motor and only going to near stock redline.
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Originally Posted by Slow98teg
It would be a good idea to look into a type s oil pump. Most of these twin screw type pumps don't flow oil enough in higher rpms. Or look into a K20z3 oil pump. They're the same type as this rdx pump. I know they've been to 8600 on them. No sense in having a built motor and only going to near stock redline.
From the research I've done, it's a modify/bored type-s pump. I'm not sure that will fit. I have at least 3 months to look into oil pumps though. I don't think you have to rev to the atmosphere in order to get power from this thing, gauging off of my current set up.

But, I will no long be running 86mm. It will be 87mm with the sleeved block, so with that I'm thinking I'll have a 2.4l after it's all said and done.
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Originally Posted by Slow98teg
Those arent tsx rods. Different part numbers. And bore is 86mm

Some sort of hybrid I'm sure. I know about the 86mm bore and that is most likely why it's a 2.3 instead of a 2.4.


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Not really a hybrid. Rdx has its own parts others dont use. Honda more than likely chose 86mm over 87mm to have a thicker sleeve being boosted.
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Block and oil pan are at the machine shop for a washing. Should get it back tomorrow.
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Originally Posted by KenB350z
Block and oil pan are at the machine shop for a washing. Should get it back tomorrow.
This thread is awesome! Thank you so much for the pictures. I really appreciate being able to actually SEE the different rdx parts. I especially like how thick the timing chain is. I don't think it was even that thick on some of my v8 vehicles. Honda really went the extra mile.

Side-note, am I the only one who feels like the rdx is a rally car stuck in an suv body?
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This thread is awesome! Thank you so much for the pictures. I really appreciate being able to actually SEE the different rdx parts. I especially like how thick the timing chain is. I don't think it was even that thick on some of my v8 vehicles. Honda really went the extra mile.

Side-note, am I the only one who feels like the rdx is a rally car stuck in an suv body?
No problem. Honda has come a long way. I guess wish they would stop play'n and put one of those V12's in a street chassis.

Rally car, haha I can see that.
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so going forged or billet to be able to handle the potential TQ?
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so going forged or billet to be able to handle the potential TQ?
As far as?
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Just ordered a tsx head gasket, also looking at the S2000 oil pump, K20 head.....
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Originally Posted by KenB350z
Just ordered a tsx head gasket, also looking at the S2000 oil pump, K20 head.....
You should order a gasket for the rdx. Not all gaskets are the same. Coolant cutouts are different on some. Always a good rule of thumb to order the gasket for the head you'll be using. S2k pump will be overkill. Type S is almost half the price and will be just fine to 9k. Might run into clearance issues with the oil pan. I believe the 9th gen Si's deal with this issue as well and have to modify the pans.
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Originally Posted by Slow98teg
You should order a gasket for the rdx. Not all gaskets are the same. Coolant cutouts are different on some. Always a good rule of thumb to order the gasket for the head you'll be using. S2k pump will be overkill. Type S is almost half the price and will be just fine to 9k. Might run into clearance issues with the oil pan. I believe the 9th gen Si's deal with this issue as well and have to modify the pans.

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Originally Posted by Slow98teg
You should order a gasket for the rdx. Not all gaskets are the same. Coolant cutouts are different on some. Always a good rule of thumb to order the gasket for the head you'll be using. S2k pump will be overkill. Type S is almost half the price and will be just fine to 9k. Might run into clearance issues with the oil pan. I believe the 9th gen Si's deal with this issue as well and have to modify the pans.
I'm aware the prices of everything that I research my man and I know the modification that are needed. Thanks though.
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ken what have you found for a transmission upgrade
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ken what have you found for a transmission upgrade
Nothing yet. I might get lucky with an adapter plate to strap on a K20 transmission!!!
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First stage of cleaning. The reason I say, because Drag Cartel will be cleaning it again. I just wanted to ship a clean leak free block to them.
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It's home. Now I need to call Drag Cartel and see if they've heard back from Darton.
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Sent over these pictures to Drag Cartel so they could confirm that the block is open deck. Things are looking good so far!
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Originally Posted by KenB350z
As far as?
pistons and rods.

stock crank or going to go aftermarket?
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pistons and rods.

stock crank or going to go aftermarket?
Looking at Wiseco pistons and Manley turbo tuff Rods. I will be utilizing factory crank.
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They are pretty much identical; however, there are two extra holes in the water passage on the two middle cylinders (rear of gasket). I would assume that is for the turbo manifold cooling. Other than that, it's going to be a good match.


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