Okay, so I've had my cl for around 3 years now and have never figured out this problem. Mods, I've spent serious time searching for an answer, but have yet to find one - if it's out there, lemme know.
Engine specs:
f22b1 - 5 spd
Synthetic oil since day 1
Regular maintenance (egr system, cap/plugs/rotors, seafoam..etc)
312,xxx KMS
Original clutch (no slippage - I'm not lying, the previous owner said he spent the majority of his time on the highway)

So this is the typical 'I have no power in lower rpm's' issue. In every gear, unless I'm above 2500rpm's, I have no power. It feels very un-smooth and sluggish under aggressive acceleration when it's below the 2500 rpm mark. It feels like power returns (and is much more smooth) after 2500 rpm's and carries through the higher rpm's very well. It almost feels like it's hitting a premature vtec at 2500...weird.
The car has been like this from day one, and i've talked to mechanics and no one can seem to figure it out.
My brother-in-law has a '97 exr 5spd and has the exact same issue. He changed the timing belt...got a full tune-up and it improved slightly, but it's still there - makes me think that it has something to do with the f22b1's.

So, here's the crazy thing - when the car is cold, this issue doesn't exist AT ALL. The power band is smooth all the way through the rpm's. It only really happens when it warms up.
Any thoughts??????

 

do u have a SRI? if so thats probably why..cuz engines SUCKS esp. ours when it comes to heat...its good while its cold out but the engine have been warm before driving...thats why i regret not getting a cold air

 

That's funny, because Gr8dale regrets getting a cold air.

 

welcome to honda 4banger, no power till after 4k

 

i could see the issue there...hassle with the bypass valve, and maybe even after tht...probably paranoid about hydrolocking

 

Hydrolocking is why i went SRI, and am keeping SRI as long as i am in FL :p


Get used to it mate, we get no power till upper rpms ;p

 

just wait till v tec kicks in yo!

 

I don't think it has anything to do with the style intake I have...I bought the car bone stock and noticed this issue from the beginning...like I said, my brother-in-law has the same engine (bone stock) in his accord and he has the same issue...

 

I've got the same issue as you do pjosh... exactly from day one. I'm bone stock, 262K and have had this problem since I bought it. It runs better when cold, but after it warms, it falls on it's face during take off until 2k+

No aftermarket intake here.

I have been driving 4 cyl. Honda's since 1988. My uncle's 94 accord has 3 times the power from idle to 2500 rpm.

It's not normal. Some times it's nearly impossible to take off on a hill without smoking the clutch.

Isn't there a port somewhere that opens up extra volume in the intake tract during low rpm's to boost torque? Is that tied to the enrichment cycle somehow?

 

For some reason we lack torque down there. I have the same problem as well. My 96 accord was able to do burnouts from an engine standstill. It had the non-vtec motor and had loads more torque in the lower rpm. I have the same intake and exhaust on this car, transferred it over when I bought the cl.

 

LOL no power eh, ive been in this car Josh, are you sure? LOL


BY THE WAY! lets see a pic with the roof racks!!!!

 

mother f'n

 

Don't worry, I feel mine has started recently, although its dying more at 500rpm, rather then 2k.

When its above 1k, everything is fine...and V-tec doesn't kick in until 3.5k rpm for me. ;[ I'm scared of idling these days cause it idles between 500 rpm and below rather than the usual 1k+ rpm.

- RemieGino14 -

 

TPS (Throttle Position Sensor) They're notorious for going bad on our CL's

 

So the TPS is the culprit of why my car is idling so low now?

- RemieGino14 -

 

Maybe you should take a vid flooring it to 60mph so we can see what's you're talking about?
Ohh right, you might run out of video memory by the time it gets there.

 

That's usually the case if it's having trouble idling, not guaranteed, just a trend that needs to be mentioned

 

As far as I know it only happens to the f22's. There may be an extra intake valve, but i'm not sure if that would make a difference. I had the same problem with my stock air box as i have with my sri. I think the key lies in the cold/warm issue. It revs beautifully when cold, but choppy when warm...any other thoughts out there?? I'm thinking maybe fuel filter...???

oh yeah - here's a few recent pics for those that asked.
I hit a seagull a month back that totalled my grill, so i had to go back to the drawing board. with a lot of bondo, patience and NO MESH this is the finished product. I mounted the badge with a metal bracket to the rad-support so it's not going anywhere. (there are enough posts out there with varying opinions on my use of the type s badge, not looking to rehash them). I hope the 'no mesh' design doesn't bite me in the winter...lol

 

The yellow lights look so good with that paint! minus the bumper that first pic is really nice lookin.

 

thanks gnate - i'm still debating on the lamin-x film. some days i love it and some days i'm indifferent...
the paint bugs me too...if i keep the car i may put a couple grand into a paint job, but i mean, it's almost 13 years old with 313,xxx kms...not too sure if it's worth it at this point...

 

Yeah I hear ya man

 

OHHHHHHHH MAN! Thats so sick...where did you get the roof racks from Josh?

 

good ol' kijij!! lol
Justin - if you're game, let's do a shoot before the snow falls. I can always meet up at sherway if that's easiest for you!

 

Ohhhh im up for that!What you doing on saturday?

 

one more - of the rear...shows the racks better...

 

i'll give you a shout later on, but I think it's pretty free

 

Sounds good , let me know! Wow it looks different when clean HAHA joking...SICK

 

the day you decide to sell that car lemme know, cuz i will buy it..

looks sick man, good show..

 

Thanks brotha - I'll keep you posted for sure!

 

The CL looks good pjosh. I suggest to put a THULE wind deflector for that roof rack. It would look sick.
Next summer we should def have a meet for T.Dot CL's.

P.S did you get the problem fixed? lol I kind of have the same issue right now.
Did the fuel filter made any diff?

 

Thanks man - we should definitely do a meet next summer...i may even show up lol (i've never been to one and 'teh cl' has always been wanting me to go...

haven't looked much into the problem as of late...i'll take it into the shop before winter hits to try some things...

 

nice shots i love it.

 

Thanks man - right back at ya!! Your car is looking great too!!

 

thts usually a sign that your CL just fucked up like all the rest. this is a common issue not only in the 4 banger but the v6 as well..the tranny syndrom, v6 combined with a glass tranny = POS 1st gear.

but ya point is your shits fuked up

 

always thought the cl's looked sick with a roof rack
looks like you made one of my favorite cl's even better
ps i got like the same km's as you 311xxx, i got it from mississauga, and apparently original clutch on mine too, lol
keep it up
and goodluck with the no power thing
that's the one thing i hate about mine too, so hard to get going from a stop without slipping the clutch, cuz of the no power there at all

 

I do have the same problem for almost 3 years now. I bought it 5 years ago with 80K miles. Now it is 125K miles. My engine give out a moaning sound between 1500 and 1800 rpm.

I recently cleaned up my EGR port and it seemed to have improved but not much. So I decided to clean the throttle barrel and intake manifold. Now I regret doing it. Now my rpm is surging at idle. I cleaned the IACV valve but no avail. I thought it could be an air lock in the radiator so I bled the system but still nothing. So I decided to change all the gaskets related to Intake but still no change. Now I am frustrated what is going on.

I wish I read this thread before I decided to mess with my car.

Any suggestions will be most welcome

 

guy - we should meet up sometime - i'll send you a pm!!

 

don't worry about it dude, i got my cl from mississauga, but i'm nowhere near there, i'm in Winnipeg, i wish i was there tho
cuz then i'd have some AZine guys to do a photoshoot with

 

just got to wait for the vtec yo...hahahaha

 

Spotteed you today JOSH!
YOu were on lakeshore just by lakeshore honda! Car sounded dirty, i was cruising in my pop's accord