Closed thread about 2.3 vs 3.0
#121
Originally Posted by mrsteve
My intial post was just a light hearted joke to knock you off the quasi-soap box you proped yourself up on. I wouldn't waste the gas racing you. Totally not worth it. Our cars are just at two different levels right now. However, I did say I'd love to see you turbocharge an H22 CL. So do it!
Your original posts said that a "stick" is so much better than an automatic when it comes to racing. Unfortunately, as I previously posted, I beg to differ.
2.x MT > 2.x/3.0 AT and 3.2 MT > 3.2 AT
simple as that. The fun factor just kills all arguments.
#122
lol...I know what everyone is trying to say. And no one is going to end it. How about we just all drop everything and move on to what we're planning on doing for august.
So first week of august is best for everyone correct? And are we going to Miami/Fort Lauderdale. Wilp99, you going to come? Or should we relocate to Tampa? Are you guys down to rent jet skies? I love those things!
So first week of august is best for everyone correct? And are we going to Miami/Fort Lauderdale. Wilp99, you going to come? Or should we relocate to Tampa? Are you guys down to rent jet skies? I love those things!
#123
Meh... put it this way.
A 3.2 MT and a 3.2 AT that have the exact same setup (i.e. S/C, headers, exhaust, etc) will run nearly the same 1/4 mile times. This is because the automatic launches so much easier. I'm not speaking just on opinion but on facts. A 3.2 MT needed slicks to pull a 1.9 60' whereas an automatic CL-S pulled a 1.9 on street tires.
In my own cars with the same set up I pulled a 2.000 60' in the automatic and a 2.2 60' in the manual transmission car.
Nothing beats a torque converter for drag racing launches. Period.
Sure a manual transmission is more fun to drive and is more efficient. But if you can't get the power to the ground as quick as the next guy you are going to loose. I've yet to see a 6-speed CL-S post a 60' time better than 2.2 on street tires. However, 2.0-2.1's are commonplace for the automatics.
The "stick cars launch so much better" arugment is :bs"
A 3.2 MT and a 3.2 AT that have the exact same setup (i.e. S/C, headers, exhaust, etc) will run nearly the same 1/4 mile times. This is because the automatic launches so much easier. I'm not speaking just on opinion but on facts. A 3.2 MT needed slicks to pull a 1.9 60' whereas an automatic CL-S pulled a 1.9 on street tires.
In my own cars with the same set up I pulled a 2.000 60' in the automatic and a 2.2 60' in the manual transmission car.
Nothing beats a torque converter for drag racing launches. Period.
Sure a manual transmission is more fun to drive and is more efficient. But if you can't get the power to the ground as quick as the next guy you are going to loose. I've yet to see a 6-speed CL-S post a 60' time better than 2.2 on street tires. However, 2.0-2.1's are commonplace for the automatics.
The "stick cars launch so much better" arugment is :bs"
#125
Originally Posted by Cocoa
lol...I know what everyone is trying to say. And no one is going to end it. How about we just all drop everything and move on to what we're planning on doing for august.
So first week of august is best for everyone correct? And are we going to Miami/Fort Lauderdale. Wilp99, you going to come? Or should we relocate to Tampa? Are you guys down to rent jet skies? I love those things!
So first week of august is best for everyone correct? And are we going to Miami/Fort Lauderdale. Wilp99, you going to come? Or should we relocate to Tampa? Are you guys down to rent jet skies? I love those things!
#130
Originally Posted by CL Platano
All this b.s and no one will ever meet up..and a 2nd Gen CL will smoke any 1st Gen CL period...Not to take sides it's just a fact.
#141
Whoever called me the schmuck that didnt even know how to spell it can suck my cock and as far as you MrSteven, you would enjoy being my bitch. Keep talking. What the fuck is your prob Divine?
#142
im gonna be there.. especially if someone is driving from texas to fla.. shit its only like a 2.5 hour drive for me..im def down..
and everyone who wants to talk shit about who's car is faster or slower show up and put this shit to rest. especially the 2nd g cl's..
and everyone who wants to talk shit about who's car is faster or slower show up and put this shit to rest. especially the 2nd g cl's..
#143
Originally Posted by SupraManAG
Whoever called me the schmuck that didnt even know how to spell it can suck my cock and as far as you MrSteven, you would enjoy being my bitch. Keep talking. What the fuck is your prob Divine?
#150
I'm the only bitch in the thread he says. Listen bud, if you had the balls to say that to my face I'd give you props. Online talk is nothing. Considering you are at the age of what? 22? with the luxury of 2 cls get your ass down to Fla the week I'll be there and we see how things roll in the real world. Do me a favor though! Get mommy and daddy's permission for the car before you come alright and Ill see you there. I got no more to say. You play nice and they want to play dirty. I'm trying to get along and your ass wants to come in the the thread just for the fight.
#153
Originally Posted by SupraManAG
I'm the only bitch in the thread he says. Listen bud, if you had the balls to say that to my face I'd give you props. Online talk is nothing. Considering you are at the age of what? 22? with the luxury of 2 cls get your ass down to Fla the week I'll be there and we see how things roll in the real world. Do me a favor though! Get mommy and daddy's permission for the car before you come alright and Ill see you there. I got no more to say. You play nice and they want to play dirty. I'm trying to get along and your ass wants to come in the the thread just for the fight.
#154
Wow, everyone in this thread seems like they are very cool people to hang with.... except SupraManAG.
I have nothing to prove or sides to take - but reading this whole interesting thread... SupraManAG you need to grow up. People playfully make a few jokes and you go all ballistic on them. Someone makes an obviously joking remark about "fighting" and you claim you will send someone to the hospital. Mr. Steve destroys your "auto vs stick" comments and you throw a tantrum.
My goodness. Grow up.
The rest of you: have a GREAT meet - sounds awesome.
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The best part is that he will probably come back and start calling me a "bitch" etc. further proving my point.
I have nothing to prove or sides to take - but reading this whole interesting thread... SupraManAG you need to grow up. People playfully make a few jokes and you go all ballistic on them. Someone makes an obviously joking remark about "fighting" and you claim you will send someone to the hospital. Mr. Steve destroys your "auto vs stick" comments and you throw a tantrum.
My goodness. Grow up.
The rest of you: have a GREAT meet - sounds awesome.
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The best part is that he will probably come back and start calling me a "bitch" etc. further proving my point.
#155
teh Senior Instigator
Joined: Sep 2000
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From: Huntington Beach, CA -> Ashburn, VA -> Raleigh, NC -> Walnut Creek, CA
Originally Posted by SupraManAG
I wasn't pissed. I apologise if it came out that way. There are plenty of family sedans who are faster then me. In my head I am convinced that I can take you and it might actually happen. Im going to Fla this august and chances are Im drivin instead of flying. Not sure yet.
Looking at the facts.
3.0cl 2.2cl (h22)
200hp 200hp
195tq 165tq
3285lbs <--close to that if not the same or more
I'm telling things from a first person view. I had the exact car with the exact engine in both auto and stick. I can say the car feels entirely different in acceleration.
Looking at the facts.
3.0cl 2.2cl (h22)
200hp 200hp
195tq 165tq
3285lbs <--close to that if not the same or more
I'm telling things from a first person view. I had the exact car with the exact engine in both auto and stick. I can say the car feels entirely different in acceleration.
the biggest factor is the H22's gearing
#156
teh Senior Instigator
Joined: Sep 2000
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From: Huntington Beach, CA -> Ashburn, VA -> Raleigh, NC -> Walnut Creek, CA
Originally Posted by CL Platano
All this b.s and no one will ever meet up..and a 2nd Gen CL will smoke any 1st Gen CL period...Not to take sides it's just a fact.
ask the nor cal crew how they did against my 1st gen a few years back. I took out all 4 that challenged me
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