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Old 06-23-2005 | 10:53 PM
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Originally Posted by mrsteve




My intial post was just a light hearted joke to knock you off the quasi-soap box you proped yourself up on. I wouldn't waste the gas racing you. Totally not worth it. Our cars are just at two different levels right now. However, I did say I'd love to see you turbocharge an H22 CL. So do it!

Your original posts said that a "stick" is so much better than an automatic when it comes to racing. Unfortunately, as I previously posted, I beg to differ.
It's a hell of alot more fun knowing you control where it shifts... thats for sure.

2.x MT > 2.x/3.0 AT and 3.2 MT > 3.2 AT

simple as that. The fun factor just kills all arguments.
Old 06-23-2005 | 11:02 PM
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lol...I know what everyone is trying to say. And no one is going to end it. How about we just all drop everything and move on to what we're planning on doing for august.

So first week of august is best for everyone correct? And are we going to Miami/Fort Lauderdale. Wilp99, you going to come? Or should we relocate to Tampa? Are you guys down to rent jet skies? I love those things!
Old 06-23-2005 | 11:04 PM
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Meh... put it this way.

A 3.2 MT and a 3.2 AT that have the exact same setup (i.e. S/C, headers, exhaust, etc) will run nearly the same 1/4 mile times. This is because the automatic launches so much easier. I'm not speaking just on opinion but on facts. A 3.2 MT needed slicks to pull a 1.9 60' whereas an automatic CL-S pulled a 1.9 on street tires.

In my own cars with the same set up I pulled a 2.000 60' in the automatic and a 2.2 60' in the manual transmission car.

Nothing beats a torque converter for drag racing launches. Period.

Sure a manual transmission is more fun to drive and is more efficient. But if you can't get the power to the ground as quick as the next guy you are going to loose. I've yet to see a 6-speed CL-S post a 60' time better than 2.2 on street tires. However, 2.0-2.1's are commonplace for the automatics.

The "stick cars launch so much better" arugment is :bs"
Old 06-23-2005 | 11:04 PM
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You guys should make a new thread planning your meet.
Old 06-24-2005 | 01:23 AM
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Originally Posted by Cocoa
lol...I know what everyone is trying to say. And no one is going to end it. How about we just all drop everything and move on to what we're planning on doing for august.

So first week of august is best for everyone correct? And are we going to Miami/Fort Lauderdale. Wilp99, you going to come? Or should we relocate to Tampa? Are you guys down to rent jet skies? I love those things!
hell yea im gonna come.. i aint gonna sit back and read what people type about this monumentous event. this may just be the coolest 1gcl meet in history.. and im down to rent jet ski's.. however i may have to rent a boat instead cause ill prolly have the wife and kids with me.. actually i was plannin on buyin a boat pretty soon..maybee i can get the wifey to pull it down with her explorer.
Old 06-24-2005 | 07:31 AM
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You guys need to relax with the nonsense. Arguing over the internet is :ghey:.
Old 06-24-2005 | 07:43 AM
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All this b.s and no one will ever meet up..and a 2nd Gen CL will smoke any 1st Gen CL period...Not to take sides it's just a fact.
Old 06-24-2005 | 07:46 AM
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Every 1st gen...except mine.






Old 06-24-2005 | 08:10 AM
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Old 06-24-2005 | 08:13 AM
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Originally Posted by CL Platano
All this b.s and no one will ever meet up..and a 2nd Gen CL will smoke any 1st Gen CL period...Not to take sides it's just a fact.
I'm actually gonna go. I'm not gonna have anything better to do when we move to Tx. And FL isn't all that bad of a drive imo. And I don't have to pay for hotels cause of family out there. And I've gone to Miami every summer for the past few years But always by plane. This time it's just gonna be by car.
Old 06-24-2005 | 08:16 AM
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I can't wait to see all you 's in August.
Old 06-24-2005 | 08:49 AM
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You guys are fuckin funny. Here comes a guy that says this fighting is gay then he says a 2nd gen can beat all but his. LMAO
Old 06-24-2005 | 09:03 AM
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"This guy" is obviously a shmuck.

















Old 06-24-2005 | 09:07 AM
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"This guy" is obviously a shmuck.

damn shmuck's talkin trash over the internet, all your cl's are slow, deal with it.
Old 06-24-2005 | 09:12 AM
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Including yours...SHMUCK!
Old 06-24-2005 | 10:23 AM
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who is the schmuck?
Old 06-24-2005 | 10:29 AM
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Originally Posted by SupraManAG
who is the schmuck?

Take a look:

Old 06-24-2005 | 10:31 AM
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Including yours...SHMUCK!
I know mine is slow too,












for now....
Old 06-24-2005 | 10:32 AM
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Take a look:

Old 06-24-2005 | 11:07 AM
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Originally Posted by SupraManAG
who is the schmuck?
read post # 132 & 133



Originally Posted by mrsteve
Take a look:






Old 06-24-2005 | 03:46 PM
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Whoever called me the schmuck that didnt even know how to spell it can suck my cock and as far as you MrSteven, you would enjoy being my bitch. Keep talking. What the fuck is your prob Divine?
Old 06-24-2005 | 04:06 PM
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im gonna be there.. especially if someone is driving from texas to fla.. shit its only like a 2.5 hour drive for me..im def down..

and everyone who wants to talk shit about who's car is faster or slower show up and put this shit to rest. especially the 2nd g cl's..
Old 06-24-2005 | 04:41 PM
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Originally Posted by SupraManAG
Whoever called me the schmuck that didnt even know how to spell it can suck my cock and as far as you MrSteven, you would enjoy being my bitch. Keep talking. What the fuck is your prob Divine?
Enjoy being your bitch? As far as I can see you're the only bitch in this thread.
Old 06-24-2005 | 07:46 PM
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your momma has a sueade wig with a leather bald spot.
Old 06-24-2005 | 07:49 PM
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Can't we just all get along, lol.
Old 06-24-2005 | 07:49 PM
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This is like playing counter-strike online, lol....
Old 06-24-2005 | 08:11 PM
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typeR lives in Florida. I'm sure he'd be willing to represent the 2nd Gen CLs.
Old 06-24-2005 | 08:14 PM
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sweet...i'd like to see his car in person. how's he's tranny holding up?
Old 06-24-2005 | 08:15 PM
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My block finally gets here on Monday!
Old 06-24-2005 | 11:56 PM
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I'm the only bitch in the thread he says. Listen bud, if you had the balls to say that to my face I'd give you props. Online talk is nothing. Considering you are at the age of what? 22? with the luxury of 2 cls get your ass down to Fla the week I'll be there and we see how things roll in the real world. Do me a favor though! Get mommy and daddy's permission for the car before you come alright and Ill see you there. I got no more to say. You play nice and they want to play dirty. I'm trying to get along and your ass wants to come in the the thread just for the fight.
Old 06-24-2005 | 11:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Cocoa
My block finally gets here on Monday!
Cocoa. Looking forward to the meet. Post pics of the swap which in progress and after completion.
Old 06-25-2005 | 01:44 PM
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hell yea.. i cant wait to see it finished.
Old 06-25-2005 | 04:36 PM
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Originally Posted by SupraManAG
I'm the only bitch in the thread he says. Listen bud, if you had the balls to say that to my face I'd give you props. Online talk is nothing. Considering you are at the age of what? 22? with the luxury of 2 cls get your ass down to Fla the week I'll be there and we see how things roll in the real world. Do me a favor though! Get mommy and daddy's permission for the car before you come alright and Ill see you there. I got no more to say. You play nice and they want to play dirty. I'm trying to get along and your ass wants to come in the the thread just for the fight.
Dude, let it go. It's such a pointless situation to get mad about.
Old 06-25-2005 | 05:50 PM
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Wow, everyone in this thread seems like they are very cool people to hang with.... except SupraManAG.

I have nothing to prove or sides to take - but reading this whole interesting thread... SupraManAG you need to grow up. People playfully make a few jokes and you go all ballistic on them. Someone makes an obviously joking remark about "fighting" and you claim you will send someone to the hospital. Mr. Steve destroys your "auto vs stick" comments and you throw a tantrum.

My goodness. Grow up.

The rest of you: have a GREAT meet - sounds awesome.

-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-

The best part is that he will probably come back and start calling me a "bitch" etc. further proving my point.


Old 06-25-2005 | 06:09 PM
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Originally Posted by SupraManAG
I wasn't pissed. I apologise if it came out that way. There are plenty of family sedans who are faster then me. In my head I am convinced that I can take you and it might actually happen. Im going to Fla this august and chances are Im drivin instead of flying. Not sure yet.
Looking at the facts.
3.0cl 2.2cl (h22)
200hp 200hp
195tq 165tq
3285lbs <--close to that if not the same or more

I'm telling things from a first person view. I had the exact car with the exact engine in both auto and stick. I can say the car feels entirely different in acceleration.

the biggest factor is the H22's gearing
Old 06-25-2005 | 06:31 PM
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Originally Posted by CL Platano
All this b.s and no one will ever meet up..and a 2nd Gen CL will smoke any 1st Gen CL period...Not to take sides it's just a fact.

ask the nor cal crew how they did against my 1st gen a few years back. I took out all 4 that challenged me
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