RonJonTL757

Hey guys can you help us out here. My friend has a 04 TSX in red and SHE has been washing her car off and on at her parents house and her parents have well water.

Needless to say when i asked he about why is her paint starting to fade and turn a yellowish/pink she wasnt sure. So i put it together and found out that she was using well water at her parents house, but she had no idea that it discolors and she has stopped using that water.

So the damage is done so I ask is there any wax or anything that can bring back the shine

BTW No bashing the OP's friend because it was an honest mistake

crazyasiantl

iTrader: (7)

im no expert on detailing, but if the paint is fading and changing colors, i wouldnt get my hopes up

im sure the experts will give you better advice

RonJonTL757

Ill try and get pics of the car soon so you get a better idea of the fade.

exceldetail

A good paint cleaner at a minimum is in order here. Via a PC would be ideal but not always practical in every situation. Even a Megs 1-2-3 step would do wonders. Claying also another option, but I would be hesitant in claying before a general paint cleansing.

RonJonTL757

Thanks. via a PC??

I thought about the meg 1-2-3 but i wasnt sure and didnt wanna waste the money.

exceldetail

RonJonTL757

lol looks like a buffer

ok cool any reccomendations on a procedure or process? im clueless

MD03CL-S

iTrader: (1)

It is...PC 7424XP!

Post up some pics when you get a chance so we can see what you are working with.

You looking to attempt to correct by hand or will you pick up a PC?

SweetJazz

:gheywave::gheywave:

RonJonTL757

Man I know I know Im waiting for her to send me the pics

Like i said before im dealing with a FEMALE here... lol

Jesstzn

She sending female pix too???

RonJonTL757

if she keeps making me look bad i think i will blast her with some pics of her

sy272004

do it lol.


sounds like sediments from water start to sattle on paint. id say its just oxidation and should be easy to remove with simple detailing job.
i did my moms car and its white, it was more white after cleanning it with menzerna apo60. it was more of dirt that doesnt come off with washing. since its female we talking about, im sure she not gona spend 20 hours brinning her car back to original color. so find her a good detailer and he will take care of it. just make its good one, there are not that many of them, probably less then a dozen of those on whole east coast


easy way to tell is ask if they use random orbit buffer and if they do paint correction. if they tell you it will take couple hours and cost $100-150 then turn around and RUNNNNN, repeat step till you find somebody who know what they doing

RonJonTL757

Ok guys sorry for the delay but I found it easier to get the pics myself. Forgot my camera so these are phone pics but you can still kinda see what we are dealing with.

You can see that the hood has a pinkish tint to it and dosent match the fender at all.




Suggestions...

exceldetail

Ideally a machine polish (PC version) would be ideal, but you can make a huge improvement to that oxidation, even by hand. Grab yourself some paint cleaner and several foam applicators, and microfibers!
OTC, shoot for Megs or Mothers.

RonJonTL757

What Megs specifically?

exceldetail

Deep Crystal Paint Cleaner or even Megs #6 Cleaner Wax.....The problem with Red, it oxidizes easily, so it needs to be constantly protected. Grab some NXT while youre there. These are OTC products so although they are "good" theres a ton of room for improvement.

RonJonTL757

Gimmie a week of so due to our works schedules. Ill get better b4 pics and post after pics to show u the progress. Thanks a bunch

exceldetail

Hey thats what Im here for!

mdkxtreme

Patrick how come red oxidizes easier? Is it just because of the color itself and how it absorbs sunlight?

TOGWT

Automotive paint is porous and you need to clean below the surafce

The ValuGard Neutralization System is the most recognized and approved chemical neutralization system in the industry. In fact, major auto manufactures have issued technical service bulletins/advisories directing their dealers and port operations to use the ValuGard System for required repairs and pre-treatment for acid rain and industrial fallout repairs. Safe for both the user and the environment, the ValuGard Neutralization System is VOC compliant

Vehicle manufacturer studies have shown that failure to remove environmental contaminants (like imbedded rail dust, acid rain, industrial fallout and other environmental contaminants) from paint film can cause premature degradation of the paint system. While clay products are useful for overspray, they cannot deep clean the surface and pores of the paint. This can only be accomplished through a thorough chemical cleaning and acid neutralization.

exceldetail

I really dont understand the physics of it, but IME, I have seen more red cars, both domestic and import, prematurely oxidized. I dont think the problem is as bad nowadays as it was 10-15 years ago. Still, put 2 identical cars side by side, one red, 1 not red, the red will deteriorate earlier.

Jesstzn

Thing I have to bring up tho Patrick is why just the hood .. not the roof / trunk too? I know there is more heat under the hood but that is only for a period after driving. Its air cooled while driving.

I'm suspicious after seeing those pix that the hood wasn't a repaint using a pigmented clear coat.

I just did a Mercedes that was a lease return and the bumpers were like that ... quickie repaint to make bad parking look good and the bumpers even tho painted less than 8 months ago were oxidized and in a couple places flaking revealing pigmented clear.

1StGenCL

Is that really just due to water? I have washed numerous car over the years at different houses in different states with well water and no problems like this at all. Like someone else mentioned, I'm guessing that is a bad repaint

exceldetail

Dale, also remember that the horizontal surfaces receive the most amount of U.V. Although the roof does as well, its not part of the main body painting process. They are painted at different times, with a different process, then once baked and QC'd, they are attached. (Bumper wraps as well.)

TOGWT

What Is It About Red Paint and UV Radiation?

Why photo degradation (ultra violet radiation (UVR) fading) has a pronounced effect on red paint. The sun gives off many different kinds of radiation. Most people are familiar with the visible light spectrum or sunlight, with colours ranging from violet to red (violet being in the centre and red a little to the left).

Red is subjected to both Visible (VR) and Infrared (IR) radiation, which is the most concentrated form of heat radiation, which causes the resin (paint binder system) in the paint to dry out (oxidation) Any dark colour absorbs heat but the pigmentation in red paint fades quicker and its more noticeable because the colour fades to a lighter shade (light red or pink) whereas black fades to a lighter shade but it only noticeable when it’s in an advanced stage of oxidation.