Klasse sealant
04-24-2012, 10:59 AM
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Klasse sealant
sorry if this is a noob question, but i tried searching and didn't really find a definitive answer, but can klasse sealant be applied using a PC 7424xp?
04-24-2012, 01:28 PM
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Anything can .. BUT with the Klasse SG its not advisable .. too much waste and it needs to be applied thin and to small areas at a time.
04-25-2012, 06:07 AM
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OP-go to autogeek.net they have application methods for the klasse products on their site. and as others have said...thinner application is better. otherwise it's a b!tch to take off.
04-25-2012, 09:33 AM
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If you do apply by PC be very careful and use the correct pad .. I have had to correct 2 cars already that were dry polished from using the wrong pad and too little SG on that pad.
My technique is pretty simple.
In order to apply SG using wipe on, wipe off, you should do the following:
1. Take a new yellow foam applicator and mist it with distilled water.
Squeeze the applicator as much as you can so that most of the water is gone. All you should have is a slightly damp applicator. This will make the SG more pliable.
2. Apply a couple of drops of SG to your applicator and apply it to a section of your car (1/3 of the hood, half of the roof, etc) in a circular motion. Once you have covered the whole section with SG, immediately wipe off the residue with a MF towel that has been lightly misted with distilled water. Wipe off in front to back motion.
3. Repeat step 2 for every section until the whole car is done.
Notes:
- As mentioned before, wipe the SG off immediately, no dry time is necessary. If put on thin the SG flashes nearly immediatly unless the temperature is low or high humidity. If you feel you need to allow more time to dry but it MUST be dry before using the removal method below. Myself I don't apply to the whole car and then remove for a couple of reasons. 1) You might find the process tiring and not be able to finish in one day. 2) If not in a protected area you risk having dust or pollen fall on the car before the removal step.
- The SG should wipe off very easily leaving behind a slick, smooth, and glossy finish.
- You should use no more than 1oz. of SG per coat on a regular size car (BMW 3 Series, Mercedes-Benz C-Class)
- Only perform step 1 one time, before applying SG to the first panel. You do NOT need to spritz your applicator with water before applying SG to each section. Once you apply SG to a couple of sections the applicator will be wet enough with SG, negating the need for more water.
-Do not use any QD to aid in removal of SG. This will / may cause the klasse SG to develop an oily haze/film down the road. I've also experienced this.
- To remove the SG just lightly mist a M/F towel with water ( I use distilled water ) and wipe the SG off. Just a misting or 2 on the towel is enough for a panel.
-Wait AT LEAST 24 hours before applying another coat of SG. SG needs time to cure and bond to your paint surface.
My technique is pretty simple.
In order to apply SG using wipe on, wipe off, you should do the following:
1. Take a new yellow foam applicator and mist it with distilled water.
Squeeze the applicator as much as you can so that most of the water is gone. All you should have is a slightly damp applicator. This will make the SG more pliable.
2. Apply a couple of drops of SG to your applicator and apply it to a section of your car (1/3 of the hood, half of the roof, etc) in a circular motion. Once you have covered the whole section with SG, immediately wipe off the residue with a MF towel that has been lightly misted with distilled water. Wipe off in front to back motion.
3. Repeat step 2 for every section until the whole car is done.
Notes:
- As mentioned before, wipe the SG off immediately, no dry time is necessary. If put on thin the SG flashes nearly immediatly unless the temperature is low or high humidity. If you feel you need to allow more time to dry but it MUST be dry before using the removal method below. Myself I don't apply to the whole car and then remove for a couple of reasons. 1) You might find the process tiring and not be able to finish in one day. 2) If not in a protected area you risk having dust or pollen fall on the car before the removal step.
- The SG should wipe off very easily leaving behind a slick, smooth, and glossy finish.
- You should use no more than 1oz. of SG per coat on a regular size car (BMW 3 Series, Mercedes-Benz C-Class)
- Only perform step 1 one time, before applying SG to the first panel. You do NOT need to spritz your applicator with water before applying SG to each section. Once you apply SG to a couple of sections the applicator will be wet enough with SG, negating the need for more water.
-Do not use any QD to aid in removal of SG. This will / may cause the klasse SG to develop an oily haze/film down the road. I've also experienced this.
- To remove the SG just lightly mist a M/F towel with water ( I use distilled water ) and wipe the SG off. Just a misting or 2 on the towel is enough for a panel.
-Wait AT LEAST 24 hours before applying another coat of SG. SG needs time to cure and bond to your paint surface.
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04-25-2012, 12:51 PM
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^^thanks for the tips. i use the klasse twins on all the cars at my house. only my TL has had multiple layers of the SG put on (over the course of a week).
how many layers of SG would you say is "good"?? i've read 3 is ideal before the point of diminishing returns, but have heard of people using more layers (like 6).
i love the slick glossy shiny look the klasse twins give. been using them for a few yrs now.
how many layers of SG would you say is "good"?? i've read 3 is ideal before the point of diminishing returns, but have heard of people using more layers (like 6).
i love the slick glossy shiny look the klasse twins give. been using them for a few yrs now.
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04-25-2012, 12:54 PM
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^^thanks for the tips. i use the klasse twins on all the cars at my house. only my TL has had multiple layers of the SG put on (over the course of a week).
how many layers of SG would you say is "good"?? i've read 3 is ideal before the point of diminishing returns, but have heard of people using more layers (like 6).
i love the slick glossy shiny look the klasse twins give. been using them for a few yrs now.
how many layers of SG would you say is "good"?? i've read 3 is ideal before the point of diminishing returns, but have heard of people using more layers (like 6).
i love the slick glossy shiny look the klasse twins give. been using them for a few yrs now.
But your right .. deminishing returns after 3 or 4 in the looks department but I don't think anything deminishes with layers as far as durability is concerned.
04-25-2012, 01:00 PM
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^^well, i got a bit OCD over the winter doing the TL's spa treatment and put 5 layers of SG. then nxt gen on top fo that. i recently got the natty's blue carnuba after reading some glowing reviews on it for dark colored cars. used it on the tailgate of the MDX...gotta say it really added some depth (first detail since a respray).
what's been your experience as far as real world durability with the klasse twins??
what's been your experience as far as real world durability with the klasse twins??
04-25-2012, 01:02 PM
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^^well, i got a bit OCD over the winter doing the TL's spa treatment and put 5 layers of SG. then nxt gen on top fo that. i recently got the natty's blue carnuba after reading some glowing reviews on it for dark colored cars. used it on the tailgate of the MDX...gotta say it really added some depth (first detail since a respray).
what's been your experience as far as real world durability with the klasse twins??
what's been your experience as far as real world durability with the klasse twins??
BTW watch NXT .. it has cleaners in it and may take off some of whats below it,.
04-25-2012, 01:09 PM
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i read that about next gen too. but even the meg's guys don't really know if the cleaners in it are enough to really do anything.
what would you recommend for a synthetic "wax" on top of the Klasse twins that is reasonably priced/bottle (say $20-25 range)?? for dark colored cars of course. the silver accord still glows regardless of what i seem to put on it.
what would you recommend for a synthetic "wax" on top of the Klasse twins that is reasonably priced/bottle (say $20-25 range)?? for dark colored cars of course. the silver accord still glows regardless of what i seem to put on it.
04-25-2012, 01:13 PM
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i read that about next gen too. but even the meg's guys don't really know if the cleaners in it are enough to really do anything.
what would you recommend for a synthetic "wax" on top of the Klasse twins that is reasonably priced/bottle (say $20-25 range)?? for dark colored cars of course. the silver accord still glows regardless of what i seem to put on it.
what would you recommend for a synthetic "wax" on top of the Klasse twins that is reasonably priced/bottle (say $20-25 range)?? for dark colored cars of course. the silver accord still glows regardless of what i seem to put on it.
04-25-2012, 02:17 PM
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If you do apply by PC be very careful and use the correct pad .. I have had to correct 2 cars already that were dry polished from using the wrong pad and too little SG on that pad.
My technique is pretty simple.
In order to apply SG using wipe on, wipe off, you should do the following:
1. Take a new yellow foam applicator and mist it with distilled water.
Squeeze the applicator as much as you can so that most of the water is gone. All you should have is a slightly damp applicator. This will make the SG more pliable.
2. Apply a couple of drops of SG to your applicator and apply it to a section of your car (1/3 of the hood, half of the roof, etc) in a circular motion. Once you have covered the whole section with SG, immediately wipe off the residue with a MF towel that has been lightly misted with distilled water. Wipe off in front to back motion.
3. Repeat step 2 for every section until the whole car is done.
Notes:
- As mentioned before, wipe the SG off immediately, no dry time is necessary. If put on thin the SG flashes nearly immediatly unless the temperature is low or high humidity. If you feel you need to allow more time to dry but it MUST be dry before using the removal method below. Myself I don't apply to the whole car and then remove for a couple of reasons. 1) You might find the process tiring and not be able to finish in one day. 2) If not in a protected area you risk having dust or pollen fall on the car before the removal step.
- The SG should wipe off very easily leaving behind a slick, smooth, and glossy finish.
- You should use no more than 1oz. of SG per coat on a regular size car (BMW 3 Series, Mercedes-Benz C-Class)
- Only perform step 1 one time, before applying SG to the first panel. You do NOT need to spritz your applicator with water before applying SG to each section. Once you apply SG to a couple of sections the applicator will be wet enough with SG, negating the need for more water.
-Do not use any QD to aid in removal of SG. This will / may cause the klasse SG to develop an oily haze/film down the road. I've also experienced this.
- To remove the SG just lightly mist a M/F towel with water ( I use distilled water ) and wipe the SG off. Just a misting or 2 on the towel is enough for a panel.
-Wait AT LEAST 24 hours before applying another coat of SG. SG needs time to cure and bond to your paint surface.
My technique is pretty simple.
In order to apply SG using wipe on, wipe off, you should do the following:
1. Take a new yellow foam applicator and mist it with distilled water.
Squeeze the applicator as much as you can so that most of the water is gone. All you should have is a slightly damp applicator. This will make the SG more pliable.
2. Apply a couple of drops of SG to your applicator and apply it to a section of your car (1/3 of the hood, half of the roof, etc) in a circular motion. Once you have covered the whole section with SG, immediately wipe off the residue with a MF towel that has been lightly misted with distilled water. Wipe off in front to back motion.
3. Repeat step 2 for every section until the whole car is done.
Notes:
- As mentioned before, wipe the SG off immediately, no dry time is necessary. If put on thin the SG flashes nearly immediatly unless the temperature is low or high humidity. If you feel you need to allow more time to dry but it MUST be dry before using the removal method below. Myself I don't apply to the whole car and then remove for a couple of reasons. 1) You might find the process tiring and not be able to finish in one day. 2) If not in a protected area you risk having dust or pollen fall on the car before the removal step.
- The SG should wipe off very easily leaving behind a slick, smooth, and glossy finish.
- You should use no more than 1oz. of SG per coat on a regular size car (BMW 3 Series, Mercedes-Benz C-Class)
- Only perform step 1 one time, before applying SG to the first panel. You do NOT need to spritz your applicator with water before applying SG to each section. Once you apply SG to a couple of sections the applicator will be wet enough with SG, negating the need for more water.
-Do not use any QD to aid in removal of SG. This will / may cause the klasse SG to develop an oily haze/film down the road. I've also experienced this.
- To remove the SG just lightly mist a M/F towel with water ( I use distilled water ) and wipe the SG off. Just a misting or 2 on the towel is enough for a panel.
-Wait AT LEAST 24 hours before applying another coat of SG. SG needs time to cure and bond to your paint surface.
04-25-2012, 02:36 PM
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Black pad I think .. I never use them.
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yes, you can use the black pad.
OP- work one panel at a time. SG dries fairly quickly. you can work two panels then go back to the first panel and buff. i usually just do one panel at a time. better yet get a helper and let them buff. the process will go faster.
OP- work one panel at a time. SG dries fairly quickly. you can work two panels then go back to the first panel and buff. i usually just do one panel at a time. better yet get a helper and let them buff. the process will go faster.
04-25-2012, 08:14 PM
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no cutting in the black pad.
cutting only in the yellow (most aggressive), orange and white (light cutting).
the finesse/sealant pads are black, blue and red (i believe). black is a denser foam than the blue, and red is a bit softer.
so...if anything you might want to use the klasse AIO with the white pad then the SG with the black or blue pad. f/b your LSP on a red pad.
or just do it all by hand.
cutting only in the yellow (most aggressive), orange and white (light cutting).
the finesse/sealant pads are black, blue and red (i believe). black is a denser foam than the blue, and red is a bit softer.
so...if anything you might want to use the klasse AIO with the white pad then the SG with the black or blue pad. f/b your LSP on a red pad.
or just do it all by hand.
04-25-2012, 10:39 PM
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I just ordered the twins tonight. I purchased them along with the Optimum Hyper Polish Spray that I will be trying out also. This will be my first time with a buffer so I got products that are very user friendly. I plan on using the polish with either a light cutting pad or a white polish pad and then doing the AIO by hand or with a green pad, and SG by hand. LSP will be Optimum Car wax or a carnuba wax that I bought from a local company (name escapes me right now). I will be borrowing a friends (thanks Swoosh or Steven Bell) PC 7424xp.
Can't wait to get these products in. My paint is in very good condition with only minimal swirl marks and hardly any scratches. Hopefully these products can take my WDP to the next level like Dales gorgeous car, but I have a feeling its not going to come close.
Can't wait to get these products in. My paint is in very good condition with only minimal swirl marks and hardly any scratches. Hopefully these products can take my WDP to the next level like Dales gorgeous car, but I have a feeling its not going to come close.
04-26-2012, 11:09 AM
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No ... the SG HAS to dry before you wipe it off .. When I say immediatly I am saying that if applied as thin as it supposed to be applied the SG will flash "dry" by the time you have applied it to the area your working on based on it being applied by hand.
Black pad I think .. I never use them.
Black pad I think .. I never use them.
04-26-2012, 02:13 PM
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Hell I had 11 layers of Zaino on my Passat at one time ... on the TL there was 4 layers put on last spring then I added 4* UPP a few times after that for extra pop and depth.
But your right .. deminishing returns after 3 or 4 in the looks department but I don't think anything deminishes with layers as far as durability is concerned.
But your right .. deminishing returns after 3 or 4 in the looks department but I don't think anything deminishes with layers as far as durability is concerned.
04-26-2012, 05:15 PM
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