I've never really had problems with FF crashing. I bet the reason FF is crashing is because of the plugins you're using is bringing it down. I don't use any extension or plugins in FF and it never crashes.

 

Keep the plugins to a minimum. I had quite a few for a while until I went through them and deleted all the ones I didn't use/need. Then I upgraded to 3.5 and a few more stopped working.

 

Anyone else install 4.0.3? I lost the option to "clear recent searches" from the search bar. WTF?

 

Somebody is gonna see your pr0n searches.

 

seriously this is ghey. Looks like its Firefox or Camino

 

just my luck, I try to update using software update, it returns an error saying there is a problem with the source of the installation (disk error?) so I reboot, do a repair permissions. after that, software update wouldn't start up at all, did another repair permissions, now software update starts to run (it shows in the dock), but the dialog box doesn't ever come up.

 

great, now I just realized dashboard has stopped working too, keeps "unexpectedly quitting after it tries to startup, who knows what else is wrong. friggin a. everything was fine until I ran software update.

Hopefully it will hold out until snow leopard comes out. Guess I'm going to early adopt.

K, I'm done, sorry for the thread hijack.

 

Are you sure you're not on a PC? I thought only PCs had problems like this and that Macs were infallible at least that's what those commercials tell me.

 

Macs are just as susceptible to problems.

I dug around in the system profiler and looked through the logs and from what I can tell, one of the parts of the update for Safari (but I could be mistaken) is a framework update to the OS. This portion of the update was corrupted and so when it installed the corrupted framework, it couldn't proceed with the installation of the safari update. That framework appears to be used by other applications on my computer, like dashboard. now the problem is I don't know what other applicaitons use that framework either.

 

FYI, i've had little issues here in there, but this is my first major issue since I originally installed Leopard after I purchased my MBP over a year and a half ago.

Be wary guys when you're installing this safari update.

 

but what sucks now is that you cant go and uninstall it. Maybe you can try reinstalling the older version on top of it. Hopefully you're on top of your Time Machine backups and you can restore from an earlier point though you would lose all the other changes you made today. Or you could do an archive and install. Sorry but this is the thing I hate most about Macs once you install and update and it fucks up your system you can't just go and uninstall it like you can on a PC. I hope you don't use this mac for work.

Be wary when you're installing any update from Apple, seriously! All it takes is one update to fuck up everything.

 

^^^ I tried overwriting the install by downloading the safari installer from apple's site, but the installer file wont' start up. it behaves just like the software update application.

We've got one month before snow leopard comes out, I'll just hold out as long as I can and then do a clean install. That'll probably be the best thing to do at this point.

I gotta wonder though how much beta users they have that tried installing the update before they pushed it out. and sadly, in my limited ownership of a mac at home (november will be 2 years now) and having a mac that I use once in a while at work, I've had more problems with software update on mac than auto updates on PC.

 

This is why I won't buy or recommend to anyone a Mac. Maybe if Apple had a perfect record of releasing updates that didn't fuck things up this wouldn't matter but they don't and you can't expect them to. But why the fuck don't they have some built in way to undo an update? In this day and age isn't that pretty much a basic part of the OS? Windows has had system restore since WindowsMe so almost 10yrs now they've had this feature. I guess it's expecting a lot from Apple since it wasn't until 10.5 that they finally included a backup feature to the OS which I thought would have been in the OS for years as a basic minimum requirement.

I can't count how many times I've had to go through this process with either OS X or OS Classic. In OS Classic there was a way that you could insert the OS install disc, boot from that and copy a few files from there to your system drive and you'd usually be OK after that. Doing that would kind of reverse any OS updates and bring you WAY back to the beginning but you wouldn't lose your documents unfortunately not so in OS X, maybe in OS XI?

 

I almost didn't bring this up but the results are sooo bad that I feel it's my duty to inform you.

There was an independent study done to test the quality of the Anti-phishing filter in today's browsers. The result while to me not surprising at all are still shocking.



The pretty much coincides with my opinion that Apple couldn't give two shits about security or your safety. So all you Safari users be careful when clicking those links cause Apple isn't there to help you even though they say they are, typical.

You can read the rest of the test results here, they're pretty much a landslide for IE and FF too.

http://nsslabs.com/test-reports/NSS%...0Q3%202009.pdf

For the record Apple, google, and mozilla all use the same google phishing filter API it just has clearly been implemented differently.

 

I agree wholeheartedly that the ability to uninstall an update should be available in OS X. That said, how would you do it? The beauty of UNIX (and let's not forget that OS X is BSD) is that when you dig deep enough everything is ultimately just a file. How do other BSD-based distributions, or even System V-based OSs, handle updates? I would assume they are done with a package manager of some sort, but I wonder if these devices on other UNIX platforms provide for uninstallation of OS update packages?

BTW, I've been actively using Macs for just over 3 years now and I have never once had a serious problem from updates. There have been two or thee times when the downloaded update packages failed verification before the install started, but I just re-ran software update and everything worked fine. I'd likely bet a paycheck that Microsoft has 'effed 5x as many machines with updates than Apple has. Granted most of those serious gaffs from Redmond were a while ago. Still, Microsoft is far from perfect.

 

Of course MS isn't perfect and yes I too have had problems from updates but that was quite I while ago for me also. For me it was either 04 or 05 when it happened, I can't think of any problems caused by an update in Vista or Win7 but then if there was a problem I could just do a system restore and be up and running in a few minutes I wouldn't have lost any of my work.

The fact that UNIX is file based maybe the reason but it doesn't make it acceptable for an OS to lack such a basic feature nowadays. Imagine photoshop didn't have an undo feature so any change you did you were stuck with. It may be because of some technical reason that you can't undo your work but that doesn't make it OK. If so then UNIX might lookin into doing re-architectural work and get with the times.

 

Stunna, its times like these when you straight talk out of your ass.

8 years of mac for me ever since OS X came out, and never once have I had any such issue. It sucks Anil is having a problem and I'm sure he'll get it fixed either on his own or at a genius bar, but one problem does make for a entirely flawed system.

And my lack of problems extends to all my friends macs as well as families.

 

So just because you or your friends/family aren't having any problems then that means the problems that my family and I have had are fictional? I've already discussed in other threads how 10.5.1 fucked my dads Mac and he had to do an archive and install or how in february there was a security update that affected printers which caused both of my parents Macs to be unable to add printers when they were able to just days before the update, this was reported by others on the internet as well. Then my did an archive and install (again) but for an unrelated reason and he was able to add printers after doing so but my mothers iMac still can't add printers to this day. But we're just imagining it, it must be something in the water.

 

Well, with you there thinking youre an IT guru, of course they having issues.

 

Unfortunately this is my 2nd major issue in nearly two years. The other was also do to one of the major updates to the O.S. (don't recall which one).

In any case, I've had my share of problems with M$ updates as well, and to be honest, with how easy it is to install applications on OS X, I'd gladly take a problem on OS X than a problem on windows.

Some things I've learned along the way...

- From now on I'm not going to use Software Update to update my O.S. and applications. Instead I'm going to download the installer files and do a checksum on them to insure that the file isn't corrupt. I don't know if Software Update does this behind the scenes or not.
- I wasn't using Time Machine, but will be from now on. When Snow Leopard comes out, I'll do a clean install and configure my NAS to be able to be visible by my MBP so that stuff like this can be avoided. I already back up my data manually on my NAS, may as well automate it.
- If I change my mind about time machine, I'll simply create an img of my core installation so that problems of this nature are very easily fixable
- or I'll do both of the above, I have plenty of space on my NAS.