New Apple Ipod Shuffle
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i cant believe it sounds different when you sync to a pc! its sounds worse! wtf is that?
well looks like jobs is doing a good job of creating his perfect society, nice job lemmings...
well looks like jobs is doing a good job of creating his perfect society, nice job lemmings...
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But this seems like a pretty dick move though
Originally Posted by iLounge
There is, however, something that many users will care about: the new shuffle doesn’t fully work with any headphones except Apple’s. Because of what Apple has done here—something sneaky and arguably terrible for consumers, especially if it continues with other iPod and iPhone products in 2009—if you plug your old third-party headphones of any sort into the new shuffle, you’ll find that you can’t do anything with the device other than have it continuously play music, without volume controls or interruption, unless of course of you turn it off. Surprise: the only third-party headphones that will work are ones that haven’t even entered manufacturing yet, because they’ll need to contain yet another new Apple authentication chip, which will add to their price. Your only alternatives will be third-party remote control adapters—also not yet available, as Apple’s not even making one—and using Apple’s earphones. The prices for the third-party adapters will be no less than $19, and quite possibly more like $29; compatible headphones announced thus far start at $49.
For the time being, what this means is that one or more pairs of earphones that you’d like to use for other purposes—running, indoor workouts, or just casual listening—will be generally useless with the shuffle. All you can do is turn on the shuffle and hope that the volume and song that play through the headphone port are acceptable to you.
This is, in short, a nightmare scenario for long-time iPod fans: are we entering a world in which Apple controls and taxes literally every piece of the iPod purchase from headphones to chargers, jacking up their prices, forcing customers to re-purchase things they already own, while making only marginal improvements in their functionality? It’s a shame, and one that consumers should feel empowered to fight.
The same issues impact the shuffle’s utility as an in-car or home stereo playback device: other than pressing play, you can’t do anything to control its playback. If your car or home speakers have their own volume control—they should—you can adjust the volume, but bear in mind that the quality might not be so hot, since the car will be amplifying an audio signal turned down low enough for headphones, rather than one that’s optimized at a louder level for a car stereo.
For the time being, what this means is that one or more pairs of earphones that you’d like to use for other purposes—running, indoor workouts, or just casual listening—will be generally useless with the shuffle. All you can do is turn on the shuffle and hope that the volume and song that play through the headphone port are acceptable to you.
This is, in short, a nightmare scenario for long-time iPod fans: are we entering a world in which Apple controls and taxes literally every piece of the iPod purchase from headphones to chargers, jacking up their prices, forcing customers to re-purchase things they already own, while making only marginal improvements in their functionality? It’s a shame, and one that consumers should feel empowered to fight.
The same issues impact the shuffle’s utility as an in-car or home stereo playback device: other than pressing play, you can’t do anything to control its playback. If your car or home speakers have their own volume control—they should—you can adjust the volume, but bear in mind that the quality might not be so hot, since the car will be amplifying an audio signal turned down low enough for headphones, rather than one that’s optimized at a louder level for a car stereo.
Who the fuck is going to remember this? And how is this better than what you had before?
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Its not difficult at all. I just read that list once and I have it memorized.
I mean maybe it would be hard for someone like water-s...
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The normal earbuds, dont like them either...but I do like using them for phone calls around the house.
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coming soon....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SBwM2U77F2c
i still have my 30GB ipod video too...i love that thing. works beautifully.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SBwM2U77F2c
i still have my 30GB ipod video too...i love that thing. works beautifully.
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I'm reading that apple requires headphone makers to put in an authentication chip into the headphones so the controls will work :thumbsdow
I'd post the engadget link but no copy paste on iPhone :thumbsdow
I'd post the engadget link but no copy paste on iPhone :thumbsdow
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There is NO authentication chip in the headphones
Apple offers a "Made for iPod" licensing certification for accessories that work with their iPods. With the introduction of this chip, Apple seems to have extended "Made for iPod" certification to headphones/remotes that work with the iPod shuffle. Previously, these accessories were not required to be "Made for iPod" certified. So while there is no DRM in the chips, themselves, it is unlikely that a 3rd party manufacturer would be carried in an Apple Store unless they are "Made for iPod". The implication is that Apple has further extended their control over 3rd party accessories for the iPod.
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That's the opposite that Engadget is reporting and they said that Apple is confirming the chip
Originally Posted by Engadget
<a href="http://www.engadget.com/2009/03/16/apple-confirms-presence-of-proprietary-chip-in-shuffle-headphone/" rel="bookmark">Apple confirms presence of proprietary chip in shuffle headphones, licensing fee</a></h2><p class="byline">by <strong><a href="/bloggers/nilay-patel/">Nilay Patel</a></strong>, posted Mar 16th 2009 at 4:09PM</p><div class="postbody"><div align="center"><a href="http://www.macworld.com/article/139414/2009/03/appleheadphonechip.html"><img src="http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2009/03/3-16-09shufflephones.jpg" alt="" vspace="4" border="1" hspace="4"></a><br></div>
A flurry of news broke out over yesterday regarding the <a href="http://www.engadget.com/2009/03/11/new-ipod-shuffle-requires-extra-adapter-for-third-party-headphon/">proprietary headphones required by Apple's new iPod shuffle</a>, and now that Monday's here and everyone's back in the office, some things are starting to get cleared up. For starters, both Macworld and Boing Boing Gadgets have confirmed with Apple and various third-party vendors that the <a href="http://www.engadget.com/2009/03/15/third-party-ipod-shuffle-headphones-will-require-apple-licensed/">new shuffle headphones do in fact contain a proprietary control chip</a>, and that would-be headphone makers have to pay to license it from Apple as part of the Made for iPod program. Yep, that's bad news, confirmed -- but all hope for inexpensive accessories isn't lost, as we're told that the chip isn't encrypted or otherwise locked down in any way, so it's easily cloned by companies who'd rather not pay. Still, eschewing Made for iPod certification pretty much dooms a product to niche status in the Apple universe, so it's a pretty weak consolation -- when this all shakes out, we're guessing only Apple-taxed headphones will be widely available for the shuffle, and that makes the value proposition somewhat hard to see. Just say no, people.<br> <br> <a href="http://www.macworld.com/article/139414/2009/03/appleheadphonechip.html">Read</a> - Macworld<br> <a href="http://gadgets.boingboing.net/2009/03/16/manufacturer-confirm.html">Read</a> - BBG</div>
A flurry of news broke out over yesterday regarding the <a href="http://www.engadget.com/2009/03/11/new-ipod-shuffle-requires-extra-adapter-for-third-party-headphon/">proprietary headphones required by Apple's new iPod shuffle</a>, and now that Monday's here and everyone's back in the office, some things are starting to get cleared up. For starters, both Macworld and Boing Boing Gadgets have confirmed with Apple and various third-party vendors that the <a href="http://www.engadget.com/2009/03/15/third-party-ipod-shuffle-headphones-will-require-apple-licensed/">new shuffle headphones do in fact contain a proprietary control chip</a>, and that would-be headphone makers have to pay to license it from Apple as part of the Made for iPod program. Yep, that's bad news, confirmed -- but all hope for inexpensive accessories isn't lost, as we're told that the chip isn't encrypted or otherwise locked down in any way, so it's easily cloned by companies who'd rather not pay. Still, eschewing Made for iPod certification pretty much dooms a product to niche status in the Apple universe, so it's a pretty weak consolation -- when this all shakes out, we're guessing only Apple-taxed headphones will be widely available for the shuffle, and that makes the value proposition somewhat hard to see. Just say no, people.<br> <br> <a href="http://www.macworld.com/article/139414/2009/03/appleheadphonechip.html">Read</a> - Macworld<br> <a href="http://gadgets.boingboing.net/2009/03/16/manufacturer-confirm.html">Read</a> - BBG</div>
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anyways i will be using it tomorrow, so far thou the voice thing is pretty much a gimmick, its not very accurate at differentiating words and pronouncing none standard words as well.
headphone control is pretty much the same as the iPhone, the hold to have the shuffle say the song is pretty short, not as long as i thought it would be.
headphone control is pretty much the same as the iPhone, the hold to have the shuffle say the song is pretty short, not as long as i thought it would be.
Last edited by Mizouse; Mar 18, 2009 at 01:51 AM.
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ok one thing that annoys me is that you can't really wear it on the colar of your shirt anymore, unless You want the headphone plug to jam into your neck. 
Looks like I'll have to stick it somewhere else.
Looks like I'll have to stick it somewhere else.
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i had a little hickup today, for some reason it would only shuffle thru 8-10 songs and then start all over, all i did was flick it to repeat play and then back to shuffle and now it works fine
after that its fine, it works like it should, im just not that much of a fan of the headphone jack placement, i think the previous version was better in that you could clip it onto the collar of your shirt and not have the headphone nub jam into your neck. but i already worked around that by clipping it crooked
im going to keep it.
after that its fine, it works like it should, im just not that much of a fan of the headphone jack placement, i think the previous version was better in that you could clip it onto the collar of your shirt and not have the headphone nub jam into your neck. but i already worked around that by clipping it crooked
im going to keep it.
