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Old Jul 2, 2005 | 04:24 PM
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need help buying a laser printer for home

I'm looking to purchase a laser printer for my home since we haven't had one for years and it's about time. First off, I figured laser since I don't do much color printing and it's probably the quickest. I don't know how much replacement cartridges are when compared to inkjet cartridges, but I've had my eye on laser for a while.

I have no clue which type of printer to buy, but being that HP is pretty big these days, I figure it's a good brand as far as compatibility, ease of use, and cartridge availability.

I saw the HP Laserjet 1012 on mysimon.com for around ~170ish. I want to spend no more than 200 dollars, but I'd like to stay around the 150-160 area. I need something that will print relatively quickly, but just whatever is best all around.


I could use any suggestions here. Thanks!
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Old Jul 2, 2005 | 06:06 PM
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Dell.

They have a 1700 b/w for about $150 shipped when it's on sale(often) and a 3100 color for about $300 shipped on sale(again, quite often). I have both. They are excellent buys and work fantastic!

Keep an eye on Techbargains.com for their specials.
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Old Jul 2, 2005 | 06:26 PM
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thanks!
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Old Jul 2, 2005 | 09:48 PM
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I got the Samsung M-1740 some time ago for $60 after rebates and coupons. Laser quality print is awesome. Check techbargains.com for deals like these.
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Old Jul 2, 2005 | 10:09 PM
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I had a brother something or other - can get any from like office depot... and the toner was like $30-32 and lasted roughly 3000 pages.

Personally I love my inkjet, canon IP4000 or IP3000, www.inkquick.com and the cartridges are 2.50/each if you buy 10 or more (not canon OEM) but it prints damn fast and the ink is cheap, quality is still excellent.
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Old Jul 3, 2005 | 02:57 AM
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This is what I should have got for my store instead of the HP 3 in One thing I got, I guess this saves money on Ink and is faster?
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Old Jul 3, 2005 | 03:08 AM
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This is what I should have got for my store instead of the HP 3 in One thing I got, I guess this saves money on Ink and is faster?
Yes. Saves a ton over inkjets.
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Old Jul 3, 2005 | 03:17 AM
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laserjet 1012, super reliable and dependable.

Note, the cheaper samsungs come with partial toners, meaning you'd have to buy a new toner after roughly a few hundred pages. :thumbsdn: And the toners cost as much as a new printer even.
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Old Jul 3, 2005 | 07:27 AM
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I have a Brother HL-1440 laser. It's a good printer but the design of the toner cartridge is not optimal. In a toner cart there is supposed to be a "waste" area where it puts toner that it was going to use but never got put on the paper. The brother recycles it back into the main hopper. The problem with that is that toner loses is "chargability" when you do that. Eventually you see ghosting on the paper that makes you think the fuser or drum is shot. It turns out that if you replace the toner (which is only about half emtpy) you fix it. I'm sure many people just assume the printer is broke and throw it away.

I got about 1500 pages over 2 years of use when that problem cropped up. I got a replacement toner online for much cheaper than what the stores wanted. Even with that problem I still like it better than a inkjet.

HPs are nice but you will pay for the brand name. The HP toners are more expensive than other brands because each new toner cart has a built in drum.
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Old Jul 3, 2005 | 08:55 AM
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Funny you ask this. I spotted this last night, and thought it was a hella deal.

$279.00 for a color LasetJet printer!

http://www1.us.dell.com/content/prod...=04&l=en&s=bsd

Printer Type:
Bullet Color Laser

Cable(s) included:
Bullet No

Max Resolution:
Bullet 600 x 600 dpi, 2400 image quality

Max Print Speed :
Bullet B&W: 25 ppm
Bullet Color: 5 ppm

(Actual Print Speed will vary with use)

Memory / RAM (Installed / Max ):
Bullet 64 MB Standard / 576 MB Max

Processor:
Bullet 300MHz

Media Input Capacity (Standard / Max):
Bullet 150 sheet / 900 sheet

Media Output Capacity (Standard / Max):
Bullet 250 sheet / 250 sheet

Max Media Size (Standard):
Bullet 8.5" x 14"

Included:
Bullet Cartridges: 2K Black, 1K Yellow, 1K Magenta, and 1K Cyan. 150-sheet standard drawer (Multi-purpose Tray). Cable not included.

Monthly Duty Cycle:
Bullet up to 45K pages

Auto-duplex:
Bullet Optional

Media Feeder(s):
Bullet Optional 250-sheet A4 drawer, 250-sheet Legal drawer, 500- sheet A4 drawer, Duplex

Media Sizes:
Bullet Letter, Legal, Executive, Folio, JIS-B5, A4, A5, Statement, Universal

Media Type:
Bullet Plain Paper, Envelopes, Card stock, Transparencies

Networking:
Bullet Ethernet 10/100 BaseT Standard

Port(s) / Connector(s):
Bullet USB 2.0, 1284 Parallel, 10/100 BaseT Ethernet

Envelope Sizes:
Bullet Standard

Expansion Slots:
Bullet 1 (Memory Expansion)

Enclosure Color:
Bullet Midnight Gray, Ion Silver

Cartridge Yield1:
Bullet Ships with 2K Black, 1K Yellow, 1K Magenta, 1K Cyan
Bullet Available: 4K Black, 2K Yellow, 2K Magenta, 2K Cyan

Paper Weight:
Bullet Standard & Optional mpt : 60-90 gsm
Bullet Manual Feed mpt : 60-216 gsm

PostScript Support:
Bullet PCL 6, PCL 5e

Printer Management:
Bullet Dell Printer Web ToolTM , a web-based tool for quick setup, installation and configuration of a single printer. Tested with leading printer management software such as HP Webjetadmin and Markvision
Bullet Dell Toner Management SystemTM , intelligent toner and consumables monitoring which works with Dell Printer Web Tool to proactively email alerts on toner and consumables replenishment (and provides easy on-line ordering), including low toner, paper out, paper jam and fuser maintenance
Bullet Dell Color TrackTM , driver that can lower your total cost of printing by offering a separate mono print driver that allows you to designate color and/or black and white printing on an individual or workgroup basis

Font(s) included:
Bullet 81 fonts and Symbol Sets, 35 fonts for PCL and 136 fonts for PS3

Dimensions (Depth, Height, Width):
Bullet 16.5" x 17" x 16.7"

Weight:
Bullet 53 lbs (without consumables)
Bullet 54.5 lbs (with consumables)

Min Operating System: (does not support Windows XP 64 bit OS)
Bullet Microsoft® Windows® (XP, 2000, NT 4.0, 98, Me, Server 2003)

Humidity Range Operating:
Bullet Relative Humidity 15-80% Normal condition, 5-15% and 80-95% Extreme condition

Max Altitude Operating:
Bullet 0-3,100m

Max Operating Temperature:
Bullet Extreme condition -20°-0°C , 35°- 40° C

Min Operating Temperature:
Bullet Temperature 0°C to 35°C Normal

Power:
Bullet Energy Star compliant

Power Consumption Operational:
Bullet 340 W, Energy Star compliant

Power Consumption Standby / Sleep:
Bullet 30W PowerSave, 82W Stand by

Voltage Required:
Bullet 115/120V 110 -127VAC+/-10% (90V - 140V)50+/-3Hz/60+/-3Hz, 220/240V 220-240VAC +/-10% (198V - 264V)
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Old Jul 3, 2005 | 10:52 AM
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Bullet Good Price
Bullet Color Lasers are expensive to maintain (4 toner cartridges plus other replaceables)
Bullet Color Lasers are best for Powerpoint slides, Excel graphs, and clipart.
Bullet Color Lasers are poor for photo printing

Bullet Mike
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Old Jul 3, 2005 | 11:10 AM
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Originally Posted by svtmike
Bullet Good Price
Bullet Color Lasers are expensive to maintain (4 toner cartridges plus other replaceables)
Bullet Color Lasers are best for Powerpoint slides, Excel graphs, and clipart.
Bullet Color Lasers are poor for photo printing

Bullet Mike
:ghey:

The dpi resolution for B/W and Color are the same as my inkjet photo printer that I print perfect 8x10's on glossy paper and can't tell the difference from a developer.

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Old Jul 3, 2005 | 12:02 PM
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Samsung ML-1740 Laser Printer $49.99AR

http://www.compusa.com/products/prod...ct_code=312513
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Old Jul 3, 2005 | 03:01 PM
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Originally Posted by suXor
Funny you ask this. I spotted this last night, and thought it was a hella deal.

$279.00 for a color LasetJet printer!

http://www1.us.dell.com/content/prod...=04&l=en&s=bsd
This is the same model I spoke of above, just doesn't have the networking card.

Great deal!
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Old Jul 3, 2005 | 03:18 PM
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Originally Posted by doopstr
I have a Brother HL-1440 laser. It's a good printer but the design of the toner cartridge is not optimal. In a toner cart there is supposed to be a "waste" area where it puts toner that it was going to use but never got put on the paper. The brother recycles it back into the main hopper. The problem with that is that toner loses is "chargability" when you do that. Eventually you see ghosting on the paper that makes you think the fuser or drum is shot. It turns out that if you replace the toner (which is only about half emtpy) you fix it. I'm sure many people just assume the printer is broke and throw it away.

I got about 1500 pages over 2 years of use when that problem cropped up. I got a replacement toner online for much cheaper than what the stores wanted. Even with that problem I still like it better than a inkjet.

HPs are nice but you will pay for the brand name. The HP toners are more expensive than other brands because each new toner cart has a built in drum.

Nah, I say you pay for HP because you pay for hassle free dependability, no frills driver installation, and toner that is engineered well. That is the cost & benefit of the HP brand name.

What's sweet about the HP toner is that once you are near empty, your pages near the middle tend to fade. It's a good warning sign and you can even take out the toner and rotate it a bit to squeeze out say 50 - 80 or so more pages until it's really empty. So in other words, it doesn't die completely right away and gives you a bit of a cusion until you can get a replacement toner.

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Old Jul 3, 2005 | 03:42 PM
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Originally Posted by suXor
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The dpi resolution for B/W and Color are the same as my inkjet photo printer that I print perfect 8x10's on glossy paper and can't tell the difference from a developer.



Get back to me when you've actually printed a color photo using a color laser and then tell me how it looks just as good as the inkjet because the dpi resolution is the same.

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Old Jul 3, 2005 | 03:51 PM
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Get back to me when you've actually printed a color photo using a color laser and then tell me how it looks just as good as the inkjet because the dpi resolution is the same.
What are you saying...that a lasered photo looks worse than an inkjet printed photo?
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Old Jul 3, 2005 | 03:52 PM
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Originally Posted by chef chris
What are you saying...that a lasered photo looks worse than an inkjet printed photo?
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Old Jul 3, 2005 | 04:51 PM
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Do all laser printer refills cost around $80??? Expensive considering the printer itself is $100... I just found a deal on techbargains for a Lexmark(looks to be better quality than Samsung, but not sure), for $100, no rebates. 22ppm, and 600dpi. Anywhere on the Internet or elsewhere that sells refills for cheaper? And how many pages would I be able to print before replacing?
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Old Jul 3, 2005 | 05:45 PM
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I've tried bargain toner cartridges several times and always regretted it - the print quality hasn't lasted, in some cases they have printed horribly right from the get-go. We had the same experience at work and ended up going back to genuine HP toner cartridges.

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Old Jul 3, 2005 | 08:27 PM
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Originally Posted by svtmike
Well, have to disagree then. I use both of mine for my business drafting graphic photos and artwork. Color laser blows away any inkjet I've ever owned, quality is great.
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Old Jul 3, 2005 | 08:29 PM
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Originally Posted by svtmike
I've tried bargain toner cartridges several times and always regretted it - the print quality hasn't lasted, in some cases they have printed horribly right from the get-go.
And for the money, the laser is much cheaper than the inkjet.
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Old Jul 3, 2005 | 11:59 PM
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Originally Posted by chef chris
Well, have to disagree then. I use both of mine for my business drafting graphic photos and artwork. Color laser blows away any inkjet I've ever owned, quality is great.
What make/model color laser printer, if I may ask? Every color laser I've used (these are large heavy use corporate network laser printers, not specialized for photo printing in any way) has produced generally horrible photo prints compared to the prints I can get out of my HP inkjet at home.

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Old Jul 4, 2005 | 01:07 AM
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Originally Posted by svtmike
What make/model color laser printer, if I may ask? Every color laser I've used (these are large heavy use corporate network laser printers, not specialized for photo printing in any way) has produced generally horrible photo prints compared to the prints I can get out of my HP inkjet at home.

Mike
http://accessories.us.dell.com/sna/P...ctlisting.aspx

I got this one on sale for $329 shipped. Networks & came with an extra tray.

Ships with 4000-Page Black / 4000-Page Cyan / 4000-Page Magenta / 4000-Page Yellow Toner Cartridges

Mine also has Adobe PostScript software, which I don't believe is listed.

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Old Jul 4, 2005 | 01:38 AM
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Interesting - looks like there have been some good advances with the price and print quality recently. $310 for toner cartridges though - ouch. Is there a site online that shows high res scans of actual output (like dpreview.com does for digital cameras)?

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Old Jul 4, 2005 | 09:15 AM
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You can get a Samsung ML-1740 for $50 after rebates from Buy.com
http://enews.buy.com/cgi-bin5/DM/y/e...aN0GGB0BlJ40GF
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