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Old Mar 12, 2012 | 07:02 PM
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It looks like whatever training video is going to start with the first boot of Win 8 should have been included in the consumer preview.

Interesting that the first thing people go for on the Metro interface is the desktop, they want was is familiar and then find that it is not.
Metro will never be appropriate for desktops, I even will go to say that it wont be a good fit for touchscreen desktops. There is 0 reason for Metro on a desktop, it doesnt make things easier then the desktop and looks like crap. I still would need to see it on a tablet, but other then pure touch apps, I barely even see the need for it at all.
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Old Mar 12, 2012 | 08:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Whiskers
Metro will never be appropriate for desktops, I even will go to say that it wont be a good fit for touchscreen desktops. There is 0 reason for Metro on a desktop, it doesnt make things easier then the desktop and looks like crap. I still would need to see it on a tablet, but other then pure touch apps, I barely even see the need for it at all.
This reminds me of what I said about Lion.
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Old Mar 12, 2012 | 08:55 PM
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Old Mar 13, 2012 | 07:05 AM
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Originally Posted by doopstr
This reminds me of what I said about Lion.
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Old Mar 13, 2012 | 07:34 AM
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using it here on my desktop and I gotta say I am NOT impressed
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Old Mar 13, 2012 | 09:52 AM
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i put it in a VM before I left work...maybe i cant find it but how do you get to the control panel from the metro interface? I see i can open up explorer and then navigate to the control panel...
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Old Mar 13, 2012 | 10:08 AM
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i put it in a VM before I left work...maybe i cant find it but how do you get to the control panel from the metro interface? I see i can open up explorer and then navigate to the control panel...
You can put advanced tools in Metro, which put the cp stuff in there.
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Old Mar 13, 2012 | 10:32 AM
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do a search for control panel?

also win key + x is your friend, use it!

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as does right clicking on the start button, yeah I said it! start button!
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Hit my first roadblock with Win8, wifi setup. I have a router that uses a Shared WEP key. There is no longer an option for shared WEP. Waiting on a response/resolution from the microsoft forums.
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Old Mar 14, 2012 | 06:27 PM
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Old Mar 14, 2012 | 06:36 PM
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Hit my first roadblock with Win8, wifi setup. I have a router that uses a Shared WEP key. There is no longer an option for shared WEP. Waiting on a response/resolution from the microsoft forums.
That's very interesting because there are a crapload of ISP supplied home routers using WEP. They better fix that or the support people for these ISPs are going to go crazy.
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That's very interesting because there are a crapload of ISP supplied home routers using WEP. They better fix that or the support people for these ISPs are going to go crazy.
Well, regular WEP works but Shared WEP doesn't so if they are using shared then its not going to be good times for them.
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Maybe they dropped it for security reasons.

Wired Equivalent Privacy (WEP)

WEP is an older network security method that's still available to support older devices, but it's no longer recommended. When you enable WEP, you set up a network security key. This key encrypts the information that one computer sends to another computer across your network. However, WEP security is relatively easy to crack.

There are two kinds of WEP: open system authentication and shared key authentication. Neither is very secure, but shared key authentication is the least secure of the two. For most wireless computers and wireless access points, the shared key authentication key is the same as the static WEP encryption key—the key that you use to secure your network. A malicious user who captures the messages for a successful shared key authentication can use analysis tools to determine the shared key authentication key, and then determine the static WEP encryption key. After the WEP encryption key has been determined, the malicious user has full access to your network. For this reason, this version of Windows doesn’t support automatically setting up a network using WEP shared key authentication.

If, despite these warnings, you still want to use WEP shared key authentication, you can do so by following these steps:
Do these steps not work in 8?

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Originally Posted by #1 STUNNA

No they don't. I've actually always had to use those same steps from XP up through 7 but its gone in 8.
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I've been messing with Server 8 Beta, I got it running on my hyper-v box. I'm liking it so far, I'm currently in the process of creating a Mirrored storage pool based on ReFS formatted drives. I'm putting all my media on there and will be able to stream it throughout the house.

To make a storage pool you need unformatted drive(s). Now you have 3 options for storage pools types, simple, mirrored, or parity; they're similar to Raid 0, 1, and 5 respectively. If you only have one available drive you can't choose mirrored or parity pools, only simple and after the pool is created you can't go and switch the type of storage pool. You can however add physical disks to your storage pool after it's created.

Once I had my two unformatted physical disks I created a mirrored storage pool and then created what they call a virtual disk, you can have multiple virtual disks on one storage pool. Then once you make a virtual disk you can make a volume and it's size and that's where you choose between NTFS or ReFS much like formatting a drive in disk management.

Here's a helpful video I found about it

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http://www.stardock.com/products/start8/

The Windows 8 Consumer Preview is available and has taken the Windows interface to a whole new level. Unfortunately, the preview did not come with a desktop feature that the world makes use of billions times a day, the “Start” menu. Luckily, we have a solution!

Start8 brings the “Start” menu back to Windows 8. This product is free and is available now! Enter your email address below to receive a download link.
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Windows 8 to the rescue today! One of our client's server died and without going into an unnecessary back story I had to restore from a year old backup and then transfer data back to it. I had to copy over 24GB of data back and of which almost 8GB (11,400 files) where duplicates. My boss said to try and find a program that will only copy the new files and not copy duplicates. I said, "Bitch, please! I got Windows 8 it does that shit out of the box. Step off, I got this shit, son!"

I started the copy and left their office went to another client because I knew with Windows 8 it will copy all files it can and delay any file conflicts until the end so that I don't have to babysit the copy process like you do on 7/Vista/XP/OS X.

Then when I came back I had this box waiting for me
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I checked that little box at the bottom telling it not to bother with those 11,277 files that are identical and then browsed the list of all the files that have identical names but different time stamps and sizes and copied all the newest ones and it was done in a few minutes. Thankfully Windows 8 bolded the bigger and newer files making it very simple to tell the differences between the two options and make a quick decision.

Extremely helpful for me today. Otherwise I would've been dealing with 11,400 file conflicts and taken for fucking ever! Windows 8 FTMFW!

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Old Mar 28, 2012 | 08:22 PM
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Windows 8 to the rescue today! One of our client's server died and without going into an unnecessary back story I had to restore from a year old backup and then transfer data back to it. I had to copy over 24GB of data back and of which almost 8GB (11,400 files) where duplicates. My boss said to try and find a program that will only copy the new files and not copy duplicates. I said, "Bitch, please! I got Windows 8 it does that shit out of the box. Step off, I got this shit, son!"

Extremely helpful for me today. Otherwise I would've been dealing with 11,400 file conflicts and taken for fucking ever! Windows 8 FTMFW!
Or Robocopy, but point taken. MS is actively improving the file conflict screen and that is good.

Swapped hard drives on my Inspiron Duo back to Win7 just now. It feels older all of a sudden. I know I'll be permanently upgrading to Win8 when it's released.
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Announcing the Windows 8 Editions
http://windowsteamblog.com/windows/b...-editions.aspx

Click for the details. In short, there are 3. Windows 8, Windows 8 Pro, Window 8 RT. RT is the tablet version.
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Nice to see that they're going to simplify the releases and not have a million different editions like before..... starter, basic, home premium, business, professional, ultimate,...


I also agree with the comments... Windows RT is retarded. Windows 8 for Tablets would be much better IMO.

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Interesting that RT is shipping with some office apps.
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playing with the splashtop streamer for 8. Interesting stuff.
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Originally Posted by doopstr
Interesting that RT is shipping with some office apps.
and those are the only desktop apps that will run on ARM.

However Intel announced expected specs for upcoming Intel based tablets and they look great!

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Those are iPad-like specs. My guess would be that since Intel chips are running at 22nm compared to the A5x at 45nm they can run at the same low power level and still be fast. I think Intels HD4000 graphics would outperform any of the mobile GPUs from Nvidia, or anyone else. The HD 4000 can run Crysis 2, it's as good as $75 discrete GPUs from Nvidia or AMD.

If Intel tablets are that good then I'd pick up an Intel over ARM tablet. The ability to run an occasional a web plugin, Windows 8 Pro or Remote Server Administration Tools natively might win me over...

http://www.neowin.net/news/windows-8...specs-revealed

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I'm also glad to see them drop the starter, basic and ultimate lines. The naming of Windows 8/ Windows 8 Pro is much simpler. I think they just made the Pro version the Ultimate version, Bit Locker to-go was one of Ultimate only features in 7 and now it's in Pro. There'll also be an enterprise version but like always that will not be a retail version, it should be identical to the Pro version though but just have different licensing.
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Computerworld - Microsoft today declined to confirm whether users of Windows XP and Vista will be able to upgrade their PCs to Windows 8 when the latter launches later this year.

On Monday, Microsoft spelled out the editions it would offer customers working with 32- and 64-bit Intel and AMD processor-powered PCs and tablets.

In that blog post, the company also noted the upgrade paths to Windows 8 for existing machines, saying that people now running Windows 7 Starter, Home Basic or Home Premium could upgrade to the consumer-oriented Windows 8. Systems running Windows 7 Professional or Ultimate will be upgradable to Windows 8 Pro.

Although Microsoft did not specify the upgrade path for customers currently running Windows 7 Enterprise, the assumption is that they will be able to upgrade to Windows 8 Enterprise, which, like its predecessor, will be distributed only to companies with Software Assurance upgrade agreements
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Originally Posted by #1 STUNNA
and those are the only desktop apps that will run on ARM
I hope the average consumer will be able to figure out that Windows 8 RT /= Windows 8 ie. no support for x86/64 software. They should port Window 8 RT to the phone, similar to iOS, since RT isn't going to run x86/64. Then they can give is come kind of decent name like Windows Mobile.

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Originally Posted by Moog-Type-S
definite no for XP (you can't go from XP to 7) and a mostly likely no for vista. you can only upgrade from 7 in the consumer preview.

Nothing new here.

New PCs haven't been coming with XP since 7 came out, I've downgraded many vista PCs to XP but never 7 to XP, especially since it has XP Mode, you have no need anymore.
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I hope the average consumer will be able to figure out that Windows 8 RT /= Windows 8 ie. no support for x86/64 software. They should port Window 8 RT to the phone, similar to iOS, since RT isn't going to run x86/64. Then they can give is come kind of decent name like Windows Mobile.
Most consumers that want a tablet will not need/want desktop apps but if they do you can get an Intel tablet and it'll still run desktop apps. That should be a mostly business oriented capability.

They are. I've already discussed this in the WP thread. Also apps will be universal like iOS, they've demoed phone apps running on Win 8 and should be simple to port between the two like iPhone and iPad with a few tweaks. It should really help cure WP's current app problem. A developer could make one app and it'll run on Windows Phone 8, ARM tablet, Intel tablet and x86 PC, across hundreds of millions of devices.

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Awww, damnit! Now I'm going to need the enterprise version

Earlier this week, Microsoft announced the SKU versions of Windows 8; Windows 8, Windows 8 Pro and Windows 8 RT (for ARM processor-based hardware products). A few minutes after Microsoft made the announcement, it updated the blog post to also announce an Enterprise SKU for Windows 8.

Today on the official Windows Business blog, Microsoft's Erwin Visser went into more detail about what Windows 8 Enterprise would be like. Visser confirmed it will have all of the features that will be found in Windows 8 Pro plus some additional content that will be exclusive to the Enterprise edition.

Visser confirmed that the Enterprise SKU would include the new Windows To Go feature, which lets businesses allow its employees to take their desktop version of Windows 8 and store on a USB boot drive. That allows the employee to boot up his Windows 8 desktop from virtually any PC.

Other features include DirectAccess, which will allow Windows 8 Enterprise users to log in remotely to a local corporate network without having to log into a separate VPN. It will also have BranchCache that will cache files such as documents, websites and more from a business' server so that such content is not constantly being re-downloaded off a company's wide area network.

Windows 8 Enterprise will also have ways for businesses and IT customers to restrict access to apps or files via AppLocker, along with the ability to automatically side-load any internal Windows 8 Metro style apps. Devices such as tablets that are running on Windows RT will be able to get extended Virtual Desktop Access via Windows 8 Enterprise.
I should be able to get it with my Technet subscription though. Other things like DirectAccess and Branchcache, I won't use though....

http://www.neowin.net/news/more-info...prise-revealed
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Windows 8 Release Preview got released today and there's a few changes in it.

First it's the beginning of the end for the Aero Glass UI. They're killing it in the final version of Windows 8, it will now have a flatter muted look to match better with the Metro Start Screen. I really like the new look of it.


Not sure if that is going to be the final look or just what the release preview is going to look like.


Also there's lots of improvements to dual screen monitors in Windows 8, basically all the stuff that CGFebTSX complained about have been addressed and fixed in this version.

Allow side-by-side Metro style and desktop apps. You can launch or move a Metro style app to any monitor, side-by-side with desktop apps on another screen.
Show a different desktop background on each monitor.

Multi-monitor slide show.

Span desktop background across all monitors.

Show taskbar buttons on the taskbar where the window is open.

Show taskbar buttons on main taskbar and taskbar where window is open.

Show taskbar buttons on all taskbars (default).

You can launch Start on any monitor:

You can switch back to recently used apps from any monitor:

And you can bring up the charms on any monitor:

Launch and move Metro style apps to any monitor

Improved mouse targeting on the shared edge
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DVD playback is gone in Windows 8 since most PCs already come with playback software installed and no one watches DVDs on a PC they dropped it to save licensing costs. you can still get it if you upgrade to the Pro version which can run media center since that also isn't included, still don't know the costs on this yet.

They've also greatly improved Chkdsk

Key design changes to help improve availability:

Online self-healing: The NTFS self-healing feature was introduced in Windows Vista (and in Windows Server 2008) to reduce the need to run chkdsk. Self-healing is a feature built into NTFS that fixes certain classes of corruptions encountered during normal operation, and can make these fixes while still online. If all issues that are detected are self-healed online, there is no need for an offline repair. In Windows 8 we increased the number of issues that can be handled online and hence reduced any further need for chkdsk.

Online verification: Some corruptions are intermittent due to memory issues and may not be a result of an actual corruption on the disk; so we added a new service to Windows 8, called the spot verification service. It is triggered by the file system driver and it verifies that there is actual corruption on the disk before moving the file system along in the health model. This new service runs in the background and does not affect the normal functioning of the system; it does nothing unless the file system driver triggers it to verify a corruption.

Online identification and logging: When an issue is verified, this triggers an online scan of the file system, which runs as a maintenance task in the file system. In Windows 8, scheduled tasks that are for the maintenance of the computer run only when appropriate (during idle time, etc.). This scan can run as a background task while other programs continue to run in the foreground. As the file system is scanned, all issues that are found are logged for later correction.

Precise and rapid correction – At the user or administrator’s convenience, the volume can be taken offline, and the corruptions logged in the previous step can be fixed. The downtime from this operation, called “Spotfix,” takes only seconds, and on Windows Server 8 systems with cluster shared volumes, we’ve eliminated this downtime completely. With this new model, chkdsk offline run time is now directly proportional to the number of corruptions, rather than being proportional to the number of files as in the old model.
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Also Adobe Flash is now included with Windows 8 and works in Metro IE (on pre-approved sites)!

and flash will update through Windows Update!

We have been working closely with Microsoft to ensure a great Flash experience in Windows 8 and recently finalized an agreement that is the basis for today’s release. Our work together has to a large degree focused on integrating Flash Player into Metro style IE10 with special privileges that enable it to run while other plugins still cannot (consistent with Microsoft’s earlier announcements about plugin-free browsing). We did this work with their support and cooperation on integrating with IE and Windows. We will deliver future updates to the Flash Player (both security and feature upgrades) through Windows Update in much the same way that Microsoft updates IE itself.
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Oh yeah you can download it here

http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/w...nter_ISO_en-us

And latest pre-release verions of Windows Server 2012 also got released today

http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/e.../hh670538.aspx
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Also they mentioned they are going to be including a tutorial to help people through the changes in UI in Windows 8 similar to what they did when Windows 95 came out and everyone had to learn to use the start menu instead of clicking through folders and system files to find executables.

More details on that to come later.
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Oh and if you upgrade from the previous consumer or developer release you have to do a clean install. But you can do a normal upgrade on Windows 7
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Originally Posted by #1 STUNNA
And latest pre-release verions of Windows Server 2012 also got released today
Ugh, going to have to update my MCITP:EA.
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Old Jun 2, 2012 | 06:11 PM
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im gonna wait until the next version of windows after 8 before upgrading from 7...
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Old Jun 2, 2012 | 09:36 PM
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New release broke the Metro streamer....damnit
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