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Old 09-01-2008, 05:28 PM
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Actually it's being released tomorrow but they accidentally prematurely announced it today.

A fresh take on the browser
9/01/2008 02:10:00 PM

At Google, we have a saying: “launch early and iterate.” While this approach is usually limited to our engineers, it apparently applies to our mailroom as well! As you may have read in the blogosphere, we hit "send" a bit early on a comic book introducing our new open source browser, Google Chrome. We will be launching the beta version of Google Chrome tomorrow in more than 100 countries.

So why are we launching Google Chrome? Because we believe we can add value for users and, at the same time, help drive innovation on the web.

All of us at Google spend much of our time working inside a browser. We search, chat, email and collaborate in a browser. And in our spare time, we shop, bank, read news and keep in touch with friends -- all using a browser. Because we spend so much time online, we began seriously thinking about what kind of browser could exist if we started from scratch and built on the best elements out there. We realized that the web had evolved from mainly simple text pages to rich, interactive applications and that we needed to completely rethink the browser. What we really needed was not just a browser, but also a modern platform for web pages and applications, and that's what we set out to build.

On the surface, we designed a browser window that is streamlined and simple. To most people, it isn't the browser that matters. It's only a tool to run the important stuff -- the pages, sites and applications that make up the web. Like the classic Google homepage, Google Chrome is clean and fast. It gets out of your way and gets you where you want to go.

Under the hood, we were able to build the foundation of a browser that runs today's complex web applications much better. By keeping each tab in an isolated "sandbox", we were able to prevent one tab from crashing another and provide improved protection from rogue sites. We improved speed and responsiveness across the board. We also built a more powerful JavaScript engine, V8, to power the next generation of web applications that aren't even possible in today's browsers.

This is just the beginning -- Google Chrome is far from done. We're releasing this beta for Windows to start the broader discussion and hear from you as quickly as possible. We're hard at work building versions for Mac and Linux too, and will continue to make it even faster and more robust.

We owe a great debt to many open source projects, and we're committed to continuing on their path. We've used components from Apple's WebKit and Mozilla's Firefox, among others -- and in that spirit, we are making all of our code open source as well. We hope to collaborate with the entire community to help drive the web forward.

The web gets better with more options and innovation. Google Chrome is another option, and we hope it contributes to making the web even better.

So check in again tomorrow to try Google Chrome for yourself. We'll post an update here as soon as it's ready.

Posted by Sundar Pichai, VP Product Management, and Linus Upson, Engineering Director
http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2008/...n-browser.html
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Great...Another browser...
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It seems promising! It has the sandbox tab isolation feature of IE8 and other features from FF. Im curious how it will look and feel.

This is just the beginning -- Google Chrome is far from done. We're releasing this beta for Windows to start the broader discussion and hear from you as quickly as possible. We're hard at work building versions for Mac and Linux too, and will continue to make it even faster and more robust.
So Windoze only at first and then they'll release Mac and Linux later.
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great. more work for me.
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one more step closer to google taking over the planet..
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Here's the comic book if you want to read it about Google Chrome
http://blogoscoped.com/google-chrome/

Here's kindof a summary of what that comic strip was about

<strong>Google Chrome is Google’s open source browser project.</strong> As <a href="http://thetruthaboutmozilla.wordpress.com/2008/02/25/the-google-browser/">rumored before</a> under the name of “Google Browser”, this will be based on the existing rendering engine Webkit. Furthermore, it will include Google’s <a href="http://gears.google.com/">Gears</a> project.</li>

<li><strong>The browser will include a JavaScript Virtual Machine called V8</strong>, built from scratch by a team in Denmark, and open-sourced as well so other browsers could include it. One aim of V8 was to speed up JavaScript performance in the browser, as it’s such an important component on the web today. Google also say they’re using a “multi-process design” which they say means “a bit more memory up front” but over time also “less memory bloat.” When web pages or plug-ins do use a lot of memory, you can spot them in Chrome’s task manager, “placing blame where blame belongs.”</li>

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<strong>Google Chrome will use special tabs.</strong> Instead of traditional tabs like those seen in Firefox, Chrome puts the tab buttons on the upper side of the window, not below the address bar.
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<a href="/google-chrome/18"><img src=http://blogoscoped.com/files/google-chrome-tabs.png></a>
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<li><strong>The browser has an address bar with auto-completion features.</strong> Called ’omnibox’, Google says it offers search suggestions, top pages you’ve visited, pages you didn’t visit but which are popular amd more. The omnibox (“omni” is a prefix meaning “all”, as in “omniscient” – “all-knowing”) also lets you enter e.g. “digital camera” if the title of the page you visited was “Canon Digital Camera”. Additionally, the omnibox lets you search a website of which it captured the search box; you need to type the site’s name into the address bar, like “amazon”, and then hit the tab key and enter your search keywords.</li>

<li><strong>As a default homepage Chrome presents you with a kind of “speed dial” feature, similar to the one of Opera.</strong> On that page you will see your most visited webpages as 9 screenshot thumbnails. To the side, you will also see a couple of your recent searches and your recently bookmarked pages, as well as recently closed tabs.
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<a href="/google-chrome/22"><img src=http://blogoscoped.com/files/google-chrome-home.png></a>
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<li><strong>Chrome has a privacy mode; Google says you can create an “incognito” window “and nothing that occurs in that window is ever logged on your computer.”</strong> The latest version of Internet Explorer calls this InPrivate. Google’s use-case for when you might want to use the “incognito” feature is e.g. to keep a surprise gift a secret. As far as Microsoft’s InPrivate mode is concerned, people also speculated it was a “porn mode.”</li>

<li><strong>Web apps can be launched in their own browser window without address bar and toolbar.</strong> Mozilla has a project called <a href="/archive/2007-10-26-n61.html">Prism</a> that aims to do similar (though doing so may train users into accepting non-URL windows as safe or into ignoring the URL, which could increase the effectiveness of phishing attacks).</li>

<li><strong>To fight malware and phishing attempts, Chrome is constantly downloading lists of harmful sites.</strong> Google also promises that whatever runs in a tab is sandboxed so that it won’t affect your machine and can be safely closed. Plugins the user installed may escape this security model, Google admits.</li>

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<p>This looks like a very interesting project, and I think it can’t hurt to have more competition in the browser area. Google is playing this as nicely as possible by open-sourcing things, with perhaps part of the reason to try to defend against monopoly accusations – after all, Google already owns a lot of what’s happening <em>inside</em> the browser, and some may feel owning a browser too could be a little too much power for a single company (Google could, for instance, release browser features that benefit their sites more than most other sites... as can Microsoft with Internet Explorer). For now, until Chrome is released in a testable version, how much of the speed, stability and user interface promises will be fullfilled – and how much of the interface you’ll be able to configure in case you don’t like it – remains to be seen.</p>
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if there's no supported enterprise management/enforcement capability for security settings via GPO etc, they'll never get a foot hold in big companies. Also one of firefox's many failings.
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I cannot wait to see the response to this. When Microsoft extends a standard, it's a terrible thing. Let's see how the public views Google extending javascript beyond the standards. I'm going to guess it will be groundbreaking.

Other that that, I probably won't even bother downloading it. I'm good. Opera does everything listed (except porn mode, and it might, but I've never looked for it. The feature, that is.)
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Chrome has a privacy mode; Google says you can create an “incognito” window “and nothing that occurs in that window is ever logged on your computer.” The latest version of Internet Explorer calls this InPrivate. Google’s use-case for when you might want to use the “incognito” feature is e.g. to keep a surprise gift a secret. As far as Microsoft’s InPrivate mode is concerned, people also speculated it was a “porn mode.”
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still <3 my firefox, but might as well give it a tryout ...
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I still use IE anyway.
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I still use IE anyway.
and windows 95?
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and windows 95?
I don't think he was even born when Windows 95 came out!
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I don't think he was even born when Windows 95 came out!
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I still use IE anyway.
Intermittent Exploder?
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and windows 95?
The computer in our office at work has Windows 98 ran by a Pentium II and a whopping 6GB HD
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if there's no supported enterprise management/enforcement capability for security settings via GPO etc, they'll never get a foot hold in big companies. Also one of firefox's many failings.
Companies will always use IE and make sure you can't install another browser..

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Safari has been covering my tracks for about a year now...
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and make sure you can't install another browser..
yeah when they can..portable(usb) we browsers like firefox throw a wrench in the works since you don't have to install them...you can disallow all but predetermined user agent strings through your internet proxy but a savvy user will either look in their registry or just d/l a local proxy based web analyzer like fiddler to determine what UA string IE is using and configure the rogue browser to use the same thing so they can get out the door. The good thing is that most NIDS vendors include web browser identification detection signatures.
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yeah when they can..portable(usb) we browsers like firefox throw a wrench in the works since you don't have to install them...you can disallow all but predetermined user agent strings through your internet proxy but a savvy user will either look in their registry or just d/l a local proxy based web analyzer like fiddler to determine what UA string IE is using and configure the rogue browser to use the same thing so they can get out the door. The good thing is that most NIDS vendors include web browser identification detection signatures.
Or you can do what my last company did and disable the USB port....
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Or you can do what my last company did and disable the USB port....
thats great and all but sadly they can still d/l it locally/copy it off a cdr etc and run it..

you can set policies to disallow running any executable by name..but even then you get mr smarty pants renaming the executable..if MS was smart they would include md5 checks instead of using names..but that would be too much work overhead etc keeping up with them all i guess.
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and windows 95?
I remember when we got our first windows 95 computer.

As far as IE nobody has ever been able to explain to me what the benefits of switching are.
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I use IE7. There ... I said it.

I can't remember the last time it crashed on me. Now IE6, which is the standard browser at work, crashes pretty often.

I'm pretty much like this --> about any new browser.
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I remember when we got our first windows 95 computer.

As far as IE nobody has ever been able to explain to me what the benefits of switching are.
Security.
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As far as IE nobody has ever been able to explain to me what the benefits of switching are.
Like Jared said, security- IE5 used to trigger all kinds of pop-ups and crap, and adware, viruses and malware were written to use IE, whereas Firefox was immune to that (as was Safari, on the iMacs).

I switched to FF for work and most browsing (except IE is necessary for me to see photos on my desktop at work, for some reason).

Once some people compare Google Chrome and FF, I'll decide if I want to consider adding Chrome.

But Google is taking over the net!
I just hope Google continues to conform to its "Don't be evil" credo.
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IE5 and IE7 are completely different. IE7 is actually quite secure even more so when running Vista with protected mode (on by default) which runs IE in a low privilege mode so therefore any malware that ends up being downloaded also only has these low privilege writes and can barely function if at all while if it were downloaded from FF the malware would have access to much more of the system. IE8 is adding security features FF doesn't have like the cross scripting filter and tab isolation it also runs with a malware filter and DEP enabled which IE7 didn't have. So security wise IE8 w/protected mode in Vista is where it's at.

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I switched over from IE5 to FF back in the day when IE5 was a big fat bullseye, but have always had updated versions of IE and FF browsers on each machine since then (but never the beta versions ).
Yes, IE7 is a different animal from IE5, but I bet it's a bigger target for black hats now than FF 3.0.
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True, but threat landscape is a different topic than actual security of the browser.
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Anyone have any ideas as to when this will be released?
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Anyone have any ideas as to when this will be released?
Do a search in to find out .

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&s...chrome&spell=1

http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showthread.php?t=1008032

September 2nd????
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I'll pass on the chrome...FF FTW
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I hope thats not you in your avatar. If so, jesus fuck you're an ugly motherfucker.







ima dload chrome when i get home from work and try it out
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Is this gonna be based on mozilla or an engine they are creating on their own?
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http://blogoscoped.com/archive/2008-09-02-n72.html

i gotta admit i think the homepage is a cool idea
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I meant what time
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I saw ~11 am Pacific time
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