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hold up!
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Wait what. Up to 16GB RAM for the mini?
google chrome is going to end that mans career
google chrome is going to end that mans career
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MBP looks the same. No rumored 14” mini LED.
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#3527
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WTF only 2 ports, pass
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Seems like there's a PCIe lane limitation on the M1 that's limiting it to only 2 USB4 ports
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They could’ve at least given more USBA on the Mac Mini.
my 2018 has only 1 free USBC port. Everything else is taken up
my 2018 has only 1 free USBC port. Everything else is taken up
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There's got to be an M1X processor coming for the 16in MBP and 13in MBP with 4 ports, I can wait and maybe the 13 will bump to 14in by then
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@Whiskers you still selling your 16” MBP
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But damn that MBA looks really good, you buy one of those and you're set for a decade
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The M1 macs are $100 less than the their Intel counterparts when matched spec for spec.
MBP won’t see a form change until next year.
First gen technology. Quit bitching about what isn’t there yet. The performance increases are huge. Every computer is like a “Pro” model now.
MBP won’t see a form change until next year.
First gen technology. Quit bitching about what isn’t there yet. The performance increases are huge. Every computer is like a “Pro” model now.
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Man that 10th gen MBA was short lived. Apple dumped that one so fast.
for the 13” MBP Apple dropped the models with the 8th gen chips. Still offers the 10th gen Intel models.
Mac Mini dropped the i3 model. Still sells the i5 and i7 2018 Mini.
for the 13” MBP Apple dropped the models with the 8th gen chips. Still offers the 10th gen Intel models.
Mac Mini dropped the i3 model. Still sells the i5 and i7 2018 Mini.
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Sounds like Apple is pricing/spec these as the baseline models.
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Interesting they have 2 processor specs for the MBA. One has 7 cores for the GPU the other has 8 cores.
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I got the 8
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Looks good but I'm not buying first gen. Will wait for the real CPU, M2.
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I knew the chip name sounded familiar.
the motion coprocessor in iDevices is name MXX.
currently the M14 in the iPhone 12 models and iPad Air 4.
the motion coprocessor in iDevices is name MXX.
currently the M14 in the iPhone 12 models and iPad Air 4.
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Man that 8 core GPU MBA is tempting at $1249
not seeing enough difference to spend the extra $50 to go with the base 13” MBP with less storage.
hoping the rumors on the 12” MacBook revival are right. That’s what I really want (unless they actually bring back the butterfly keyboard as rumored). A small portable and hopefully inexpensive laptop to supplement my Mac Mini.
not seeing enough difference to spend the extra $50 to go with the base 13” MBP with less storage.
hoping the rumors on the 12” MacBook revival are right. That’s what I really want (unless they actually bring back the butterfly keyboard as rumored). A small portable and hopefully inexpensive laptop to supplement my Mac Mini.
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I'll get the m2 16 inch too
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Looks like Apple is keeping the new Macs with Thunderbolt 3.
not that it matters much. I think speed wise TB4 is the same as TB3.
https://www.macrumors.com/2020/11/10...thunderbolt-3/
not that it matters much. I think speed wise TB4 is the same as TB3.
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https://www.macrumors.com/2020/11/10...thunderbolt-3/
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@Whiskers you still selling your 16” MBP ![Bite Lip](https://acurazine.com/forums/images/smilies/bitelip.gif)
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Lol its so small! (That’s what she said)
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So I guess the real Apple Silicon Mini that they release next year won't be much bigger than that board?
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possibly. or maybe they make a more "Pro" version of the Mini since they changed the color on this one back to silver.
Also not offering things like 10Gb ethernet.
Also not offering things like 10Gb ethernet.
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It's got WiFi 6
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https://www.macrumors.com/2020/11/11...rst-benchmark/
Apple Silicon M1 Chip in MacBook Air Outperforms High-End 16-Inch MacBook Pro
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i'll wait for real benchmarks. not synthetic ones. but got damn thats nuts ![EEK!](https://acurazine.com/forums/images/smilies/eek.gif)
multi-core score is within striking distance of the base 8-core mac pro.
The single core also beats out the Ryzen 9 5950X![what](https://acurazine.com/forums/images/smilies/what.gif)
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multi-core score is within striking distance of the base 8-core mac pro.
The single core also beats out the Ryzen 9 5950X
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AnandTech has a deep dive of sorts on the A14/M1 processor that I'm making my way through. The M1 is basically an A14X, just a more powerful version of the A14 in the iPhone 12 and iPad Air.
I found this bit from the article interesting
They're on the tick tock CPU schedule like Intel (was?). So we won't the real good shit until the M2 hit which should have the next architecture redesign but still 5nm, that's probably when the Intel 16in MBP gets replaced with an M2X processor
Here's the article if you'd like to read it
https://www.anandtech.com/show/16226...-a14-deep-dive
I found this bit from the article interesting
This year’s A14 chip includes the 8th generation in Apple’s 64-bit microarchitecture family that had been started off with the A7 and the Cyclone design. Over the years, Apple’s design cadence seems to have settled down around major bi-generation microarchitecture updates starting with the A7 chipset, with the A9, A11, A13 all showcasing major increases of their design complexity and microarchitectural width and depth.
Here's the article if you'd like to read it
https://www.anandtech.com/show/16226...-a14-deep-dive
#3556
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Intel is soooo fucked
The A14 pulls 5w power and only has 2 high performance cores (6 total) and yet it beats a 10900k with 10 cores and a 95w TDP.
WTF!
The M1 should be much better than the A14. This is wild, I'm gonna have to see lots of benchmarks and reviews to believe this. what's the catch?
But if it pans out I'll probably sell the Mac Mini i5 6-core 256GB 8GB I got last year and pick one of these up.
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In the overall SPEC2006 chart, the A14 is performing absolutely fantastic, taking the lead in absolute performance only falling short of AMD’s recent Ryzen 5000 series.
The fact that Apple is able to achieve this in a total device power consumption of 5W including the SoC, DRAM, and regulators, versus +21W (1185G7) and 49W (5950X) package power figures, without DRAM or regulation, is absolutely mind-blowing.
There’s been a lot of criticism about more common benchmark suites such as GeekBench, but frankly I've found these concerns or arguments to be quite unfounded. The only factual differences between workloads in SPEC and workloads in GB5 is that the latter has less outlier tests which are memory-heavy, meaning it’s more of a CPU benchmark whereas SPEC has more tendency towards CPU+DRAM.
The fact that Apple does well in both workloads is evidence that they have an extremely well-balanced microarchitecture, and that Apple Silicon will be able to scale up to “desktop workloads” in terms of performance without much issue.
Whilst in the past 5 years Intel has managed to increase their best single-thread performance by about 28%, Apple has managed to improve their designs by 198%, or 2.98x (let’s call it 3x) the performance of the Apple A9 of late 2015.
Apple’s performance trajectory and unquestioned execution over these years is what has made Apple Silicon a reality today. Anybody looking at the absurdness of that graph will realise that there simply was no other choice but for Apple to ditch Intel and x86 in favour of their own in-house microarchitecture – staying par for the course would have meant stagnation and worse consumer products.
The fact that Apple is able to achieve this in a total device power consumption of 5W including the SoC, DRAM, and regulators, versus +21W (1185G7) and 49W (5950X) package power figures, without DRAM or regulation, is absolutely mind-blowing.
There’s been a lot of criticism about more common benchmark suites such as GeekBench, but frankly I've found these concerns or arguments to be quite unfounded. The only factual differences between workloads in SPEC and workloads in GB5 is that the latter has less outlier tests which are memory-heavy, meaning it’s more of a CPU benchmark whereas SPEC has more tendency towards CPU+DRAM.
The fact that Apple does well in both workloads is evidence that they have an extremely well-balanced microarchitecture, and that Apple Silicon will be able to scale up to “desktop workloads” in terms of performance without much issue.
Whilst in the past 5 years Intel has managed to increase their best single-thread performance by about 28%, Apple has managed to improve their designs by 198%, or 2.98x (let’s call it 3x) the performance of the Apple A9 of late 2015.
Apple’s performance trajectory and unquestioned execution over these years is what has made Apple Silicon a reality today. Anybody looking at the absurdness of that graph will realise that there simply was no other choice but for Apple to ditch Intel and x86 in favour of their own in-house microarchitecture – staying par for the course would have meant stagnation and worse consumer products.
WTF!
The M1 should be much better than the A14. This is wild, I'm gonna have to see lots of benchmarks and reviews to believe this. what's the catch?
But if it pans out I'll probably sell the Mac Mini i5 6-core 256GB 8GB I got last year and pick one of these up.
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I hope not. I just got an i7 mini last month ![Bored](https://acurazine.com/forums/images/smilies/bored.gif)
granted it does everything I need but still.
Honestly wasn’t expecting a Mini from all the rumors.
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granted it does everything I need but still.
Honestly wasn’t expecting a Mini from all the rumors.
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My Air is coming Monday per UPS
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