Rockstar21

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Draft numbers since 2000.

all hail SEC!

http://collegefootball.rivals.com/co...sp?CID=1215565

Scottman111

Is it too late to add Marshall to my 2011 AZ Death Pool?

Scottman111

Goodell is gonna get booed to hell tomorrow. Can't wait until it's over so we don't have to hear these "draft gurus" anymore

Anybody seen the Gruden QB draft shows on ESPN? I have a sick feeling that Mallett will fall to the second round and get picked by the Bengals assuming the others rated higher are already gone...wasn't impressed at all seeing him talk

Doom878

I think Bengals are getting A.J. Green.

Scottman111

We better. Sounds like a QB second round because we pretty much have nothing

trojanman10984

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ponder in the 2nd round would be a great pickup for cincy. hope atl gets rudolph!

Doom878

I don't know enough about anyone to mock a draft but I'm hearing there's a chance that Peterson goes #2 and that Carolina really likes Cam at #1. But then again there are so many draftniks who knows who to listen to. I don't think Miami takes Ingram at 15. They probably go OL or DL if they don't trade out. I don't think they go Mallett that high.

CocheseUGA

Anyone up for some Top 5 or Top 10 mocks? A lot has changed since I last made a prediction.


Carolina
-Will take: Cam Newton
-Should take: AJ Green

Why? Cam isn't going to start more than a handful of games this year, if any, so Claussen/Moore are your QBs this year. Might as well get a top-flight WR to replace Steve Smith and see just how bad Claussen is. If he's as bad as you have come to believe, you'll be welcoming in Andrew Luck next year - with a full offseason to get him acclimated.

Denver
-Will take: Marcell Dareus
-Should take: Marcell Dareus

No-brainer here. It's tempting to pick Von Miller, but Elvis will be back in the building for 2011.

Buffalo
-Will take: Blaine Gabbert
-Should take: AJ Green or Von Miller

Same sort of situation as Carolina, except Fitzpatrick is a much better QB. Options exist at the top of round 2, and your WR corps and defense are the much greater need here. If Carolina passes on Cam, then all bets are off. The 'icon and entertainer' could keep more games from heading to Toronto...or Los Angeles.

Bengals
-Will take: AJ Green
-Should take: AJ Green

Carson Palmer isn't walking through that door. Well, perhaps only to pack a box. If Blaine is there, that's the choice but if he's not, you need to grab a WR of the future because Ochomoutho and TO are saying goodbye.

Arizona
-Will take: Patrick Peterson
-Should take: Von Miller

The #5 pick is a bit too high for the third QB on the board or an offensive lineman, so it's defense here. It would be very hard to pass up a performer like Peterson, but the secondary is a pretty good unit as-is. LB need is paramount, and he's the best one if he's still available.

Rockstar21

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Carolina Panthers - Cam Newton

Denver Broncos - Von Miller

Buffalo Bills - Marcell Dareus

Cincinnati Bengals - A.J. Green

Arizona Cardinals - Patrick Peterson

Doom878

I know the Bengals want Green but I can't see them passing up Gabbert if he's there which I think he will be since Buffalo might be content with Fitz. I mean I know Palmer wants out so maybe they wait till the 2nd and try to get value.

Scottman111

Carolina will take Cam but they shouldn't. They have to sell tickets though, and they know their fans will go nuts if they don't. Gonna backfire in the future though when he can't learn a pro offense and playbook.

Plus Steve Smith says he wants out....there goes your veteran WR to help teach him. I don't think he's gonna have a chance.

I'm predicting a complete bust, but not as bad as JaMarcus or Leaf.

Scottman111

I still think we take Green IF we stay at #4. I think if we wanted a first-round QB we'd trade down and hope to get Gabbert or Dalton (who I think is gonna have a good career).

I still think it's too hard to pass up Green rather than risk another busted first round QB (or any position...look at that fat fuck Andre Smith in '09).

If we take Green in the first I think we'll take a QB in the second (or possibly trade up, depending on how the first plays out).

Regardless of what happens, there's no doubt we're gonna sign a free agent QB when the time comes, or make a play for Kolb.

Costco

I don't like uncertainties, especially concerning early 1st round QBs... it's a slim, slim chance in hell but I'd rather see the 49ers get Patrick Peterson rather than Blaine Gabbert


Not sure what Mike Mayock's track record is with drafts but he is a great game analyst IMO





actually, turns out he's never made a mock draft at all, but here it is:

http://www.nfl.com/draft/2011/mock-d...?module=HP_cp2

CocheseUGA

First round is bonkers so far.

Scottman111

No doubt. Lots of reaching. Very happy we didn't do anything stupid, like not draft Green

jupitersolo

I don't think it's reaching, I think it's what teams need. All these mock drafts are BS anyways.

Yumcha

Really? 1st round WRs at a high pick have a way of tanking...




Oh well...he's talented. Surprisingly, no criminal record.

Yumcha

I'm just happy the Bears addressed their need to rebuild the O-line with picking up Carimi...

Rockstar21

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mark Ingram is a saint.

as of we needed another outstanding back. but what the hell why not lol.

maybe ushering Reggie out to slot receiver now, possibly out the door?

Rockstar21

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Reggie bush tweeted "it's been fun New Orleans"

CocheseUGA

Fixed.

Doom878

Okay I like Pouncey and yes they're going to try to play him at center. I think our running attack will improve.

Man did Atlanta pay to get Julio Jones. What was that about.

Costco

I was not expecting a DE. Has Aldon Smith dropped back in coverage at all before? Our OLBs are definitely underachievers, so I guess it's a good pick. Supposedly they tried to entertain offers to trade down but nobody bit. In principle it will help out our leaky secondary if this kid pans out. Plus he's in the kind of role where he can make a difference ASAP.

I really don't know what to think. I laughed when Locker and Ponder were picked ahead of Gabbert.



What was REALLY funny though was the 49ers official War Room chat room during the draft... as soon as they focused on Aldon Smith, people were like WTF is that? Then when the commissioner announced the pick, the shit hit the fan.

Among the various statements I could pick out and remember:



Sports fans are kneejerk drama queens.

Costco

I think they are trying to go to the big dance within the next 1-3 years. But yeah, that is a heavy price to pay to move up 20 spots.

Osamu

vikes..... really? Ponder at 12?

I'm sure it went like this... "We like locker, he'll be there at 12, and might even be a reac... what! he's gone at 8!, well good thing none of the next 3 teams really needs a QB, we can probably get Gabbert, swee... what! someone traded up in front of us!? CRAP! just name one of the next QBs"

Secretly, i was hoping they'd just tank a year for Andrew Luck, maybe that'll be how it'll work out anyways

hornyleprechaun

What has Cam Newton done that shows you he can't learn a pro offense and playbook?

97BlackAckCL

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I didn't watch much of the draft, was Cam's daddy there, or is he still locked in a closet somewhere?

Rockstar21

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So uh Arizona... you wanna hand over PP7 for a cheaper Reggie bush?

hornyleprechaun

He was there.. how was he locked in a closet? He just wasn't allowed to participate in anything with Auburn.

Scottman111

Thanks, was gonna post a similar reply

No character issues and barely any negatives against him. I think it was one of the safest picks in the draft...can't wait to see him and Gresham at TE working together (our first pick last year).

One thing I didn't understand is the commentators talking about how maybe Palmer would want to come back now that we got Green and we're getting rid of Chad and T.O. I thought it was pretty clear that his main issue was with ownership

Scottman111

Conrats on your next Marc Colombo

Scottman111

I knew it was a lot but not that much...wow. Thanks for helping the Browns you idiots

Scottman111

More like what hasn't he done. One year total of D1 experience, he's had no experience running a pro style offense, accuracy issues, character issues...

Did you watch him with Gruden on his TV show on ESPN? Talking about how simple the plays were that they had him running? A lot of QBs drafted these days run a pro-style offense all through college (as is Andrew Luck right now).

Add in the stuff that is out of his control (terrible team, new coaches, no good receivers after Smith leaves) and you've got a recipe for disaster

Compare him with other busts in the past and they're all similar. And you know I'm not the only one saying and thinking this

Yumcha

Congrats on your next Peter Warrick.

Yumcha

And wow, I'm still at the king's ransom Atlanta paid to move up...

hornyleprechaun

One year total? What about the two years he was at Florida? kthx

What character issues? He purchased a stolen laptop 3 years ago and has completely changed his life since that incident. He admits he did wrong, and admits it changed his life.

Simple plays? It has nothing to do with how simple the plays are, but the play calling. We use a number system which every player knows. They see the number and know their responsibility. Our OC will call the audible if he wants to. Cam still knows what each OL, WR, RB & TE is doing every play. He learned our entire playbook in 1 year.

In this PC by the Panthers the coach mentioned how they gave each QB target a playbook. A week later they were quizzed. Playbooks were taken away and a week later they were quizzed again. You would think if Cam did bad in that then the Panthers wouldn't draft him. LINK

I'll give you the fact that the Panthers suck, but that has nothing to do with his ability to "learn a pro offense and playbook?"

What other busts? Vince Young? JaMarcus Russell? Vince scored a 4 on the wonderlic exam, while Cam got a 21. Russell was overweight and lazy even throughout college. Cam is not comparable to either of those except his skin color.

I'm just tired of seeing everyone regurgitate the BS that Todd McGay, Mel Kiper and others spew about Cam. He was the hardest worker on our team, he was our leader and he was the best player in college football last year. He will be as successful in the NFL as he wants barring his team not sucking.

CocheseUGA

Those guys know nothing about football.

hornyleprechaun

Don't you remember Brady Quinn being a sure fire QB at the next level and with each pick McGay was getting more upset that Brady wasn't taken. Brady lasted 1 year in the NFL.

If those guys were so good why aren't they working for an NFL team?

Rockstar21

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PP7 was best football player.

CocheseUGA

TV pays much, much more.

None of the draft experts are perfect. I guarantee no one got last night right. But as much as you want to make it personal against Cam and Auburn, the simple fact is that there are few who believe that spread option QBs are a viable, long-term option in the NFL. As for Brady, he ran into a new regime who didn't believe in him. I thought he played decently well, but got shipped off in one of the dumbest/best trades in recent memory. It's all a matter of luck, really. Tom Brady doesn't go to the Patriots he's selling insurance. Ryan Leaf doesn't blow off an interview with the Colts, he might still be playing - not like Manning, but perhaps not a total flameout. Brett Favre doesn't get traded from the Falcons, he's a drunkard at Underground.

It's undeniable that he's got some freaky physical skills. But as so many have said before, the NFL is like you're playing a completely different game. Players are bigger, stronger, faster - even from the SEC. And if Carolina wants to keep him around, they'll need to limit his runs - which makes him have to trust his reads and be willing to stay in or near the pocket for longer.

Mike Mayock said that he watched every single game that he played in, and that the reads were very simple and wouldn't translate well. Now since I didn't watch every game and didn't look for that, I have to take his word for that.

There's definitely concern, especially if the coaching staff isn't all that spectacular or the line has a bad year. He is without doubt the biggest risk-reward player in this draft.