NFL: 2011 Draft and Off-Season News and Discussion Thread
#42
Come on now, you have to give me more credit than that
I've been thinking it for a while. You know it takes more than the ability to make good throws to make it in the NFL. I think he has all the physical tools, just the mental part will get him. Seems like with the lack of experience he'll be overwhelmed in the NFL easily. How many times has that happened to young QBs in the NFL?
Oh and you sound like my friends that went to Auburn defending him so don't feel bad when he does fail...you aren't the only one!
I've been thinking it for a while. You know it takes more than the ability to make good throws to make it in the NFL. I think he has all the physical tools, just the mental part will get him. Seems like with the lack of experience he'll be overwhelmed in the NFL easily. How many times has that happened to young QBs in the NFL?
Oh and you sound like my friends that went to Auburn defending him so don't feel bad when he does fail...you aren't the only one!
#44
Bent = #1
I know PP is faster in the 40, but your main point was that PP was more athletic. I think Cam is more athletic and that video show Cam at worst staying up to speed with PP, but Cam weighs 30+ pounds more.
How hasn't he shown you he has the mental part to be a good NFL QB? He learned our system in 1 year, and as the season went on he got more familiar with it, and more accurate in his passes.
You may not want to talk as much there's a chance he goes to your Bengals
This makes no sense..
06' Florida wins MNC.. doesn't win SEC next year.
07' LSU wins MNC.. doesn't win SEC next year.
08' Florida wins MNC.. doesn't win SEC next year.
09' Alabama wins MNC.. doesn't win SEC next year.
Guess those 3 will have short bursts of success too.
Come on now, you have to give me more credit than that
I've been thinking it for a while. You know it takes more than the ability to make good throws to make it in the NFL. I think he has all the physical tools, just the mental part will get him. Seems like with the lack of experience he'll be overwhelmed in the NFL easily. How many times has that happened to young QBs in the NFL?
Oh and you sound like my friends that went to Auburn defending him so don't feel bad when he does fail...you aren't the only one!
I've been thinking it for a while. You know it takes more than the ability to make good throws to make it in the NFL. I think he has all the physical tools, just the mental part will get him. Seems like with the lack of experience he'll be overwhelmed in the NFL easily. How many times has that happened to young QBs in the NFL?
Oh and you sound like my friends that went to Auburn defending him so don't feel bad when he does fail...you aren't the only one!
You may not want to talk as much there's a chance he goes to your Bengals
06' Florida wins MNC.. doesn't win SEC next year.
07' LSU wins MNC.. doesn't win SEC next year.
08' Florida wins MNC.. doesn't win SEC next year.
09' Alabama wins MNC.. doesn't win SEC next year.
Guess those 3 will have short bursts of success too.
#45
The Dumb One
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ok, they dont win more than 8 games... or come close to winning conference.
you missed the hidden message there.. your short burst was a player that used the team as a gateway to the NFL, which we all know he's going to at this point... 1 year of instant success = cam newton..
and player's athleticism is measured by the combine, your interpretation of it is one thing.. the actual measurement at which their careers are decided is another...
btw.. Les miles (as stupid as he is) has coached LSU to a 62-17 record in 6 years... thats more than 10 wins and less than 3 losses a year.. i wouldnt go off saying we had a "short" burst of success... we have probably been the most consistently successful team in the SEC from 2003 - now.
you missed the hidden message there.. your short burst was a player that used the team as a gateway to the NFL, which we all know he's going to at this point... 1 year of instant success = cam newton..
and player's athleticism is measured by the combine, your interpretation of it is one thing.. the actual measurement at which their careers are decided is another...
btw.. Les miles (as stupid as he is) has coached LSU to a 62-17 record in 6 years... thats more than 10 wins and less than 3 losses a year.. i wouldnt go off saying we had a "short" burst of success... we have probably been the most consistently successful team in the SEC from 2003 - now.
Last edited by Rockstar21; 03-03-2011 at 05:48 PM.
#46
Bent = #1
ok, they dont win more than 8 games... or come close to winning conference.
you missed the hidden message there.. your short burst was a player that used the team as a gateway to the NFL, which we all know he's going to at this point... 1 year of instant success = cam newton..
and player's athleticism is measured by the combine, your interpretation of it is one thing.. the actual measurement at which their careers are decided is another...
btw.. Les miles (as stupid as he is) has coached LSU to a 62-17 record in 6 years... thats more than 10 wins and less than 3 losses a year.. i wouldnt go off saying we had a "short" burst of success... we have probably been the most consistently successful team in the SEC from 2003 - now.
you missed the hidden message there.. your short burst was a player that used the team as a gateway to the NFL, which we all know he's going to at this point... 1 year of instant success = cam newton..
and player's athleticism is measured by the combine, your interpretation of it is one thing.. the actual measurement at which their careers are decided is another...
btw.. Les miles (as stupid as he is) has coached LSU to a 62-17 record in 6 years... thats more than 10 wins and less than 3 losses a year.. i wouldnt go off saying we had a "short" burst of success... we have probably been the most consistently successful team in the SEC from 2003 - now.
Ironic post is ironic.. Don't all players use their team as a gateway to the NFL? Cam only had 1 more year of eligibility left what else did he have to prove by coming back?
LSU has also been one of the most talent rich teams the past decade I would hope they had a 62-17 record, if not better than that. If Mett works out for QB then LSU is my pick to win the SECW, and possibly SEC next year. That's the only thing you've been missing is a QB.. Jefferson just doesn't get it done IMO.
#47
The Dumb One
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jefferson sucks nuts... and has since day 1.
if mettenberger doesnt start and play the entire games, its because jefferson has nude photos of Les miles doing terrible terrible things...
sadly, i still see him being a large part of the game plan this season.. (i hop to god not)
if mettenberger doesnt start and play the entire games, its because jefferson has nude photos of Les miles doing terrible terrible things...
sadly, i still see him being a large part of the game plan this season.. (i hop to god not)
#48
Senior Moderator
Thread Starter
You go, Tiki!
Former New York Giants running back Tiki Barber plans to come out of retirement and play in 2011, sources close to Barber said Tuesday. The agency that represents Barber confirmed the report on its Twitter account.
Barber filed paperwork to the NFL so that the Giants can relinquish his rights and allow him to explore free agency. Barber, who turns 36 in April, retired in 2007 after 10 seasons and is the Giants' all-time leading rusher. Barber reportedly left his wife of 11 years, Ginny, for a 23-year-old former NBC intern and lost his job with the network. The New York Post reported last June that Barber was broke and couldn't pay his divorce settlement.
Barber filed paperwork to the NFL so that the Giants can relinquish his rights and allow him to explore free agency. Barber, who turns 36 in April, retired in 2007 after 10 seasons and is the Giants' all-time leading rusher. Barber reportedly left his wife of 11 years, Ginny, for a 23-year-old former NBC intern and lost his job with the network. The New York Post reported last June that Barber was broke and couldn't pay his divorce settlement.
#52
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Thread Starter
NFLPA files paperwork to decertify as a union
Uh oh...here we go...
The start-and-stop negotiations between the NFL's owners and players came to a dramatic end Friday, when the Players Association filed paperwork to decertify as a union.
The move is expected to transfer the labor impasse from the bargaining room to the court room. The owners previously said they would lock out the players if the sides failed to come to terms on a new collective bargaining agreement before Friday's midnight deadline.
Were a lockout to happen, the players would sue the league for restraint-of-trade antitrust violations. Star quarterbacks Peyton Manning, Tom Brady and Drew Brees already have agreed to be the lead plaintiffs, although many more players could be involved.
The owners made a CBA proposal to the union earlier Friday, but the union did not accept it, presumably because the owners have refused to turn over team-by-team financial information the union has requested.
At roughly 4:45 p.m. ET, executive director DeMaurice Smith met with the media and said if the league wanted to extend the negotiating deadline for a third time in a week, it would have to turn over 10 years of audited team financials by 5 p.m. Smith did not threaten decertification, but the threat was implicit.
The move is expected to transfer the labor impasse from the bargaining room to the court room. The owners previously said they would lock out the players if the sides failed to come to terms on a new collective bargaining agreement before Friday's midnight deadline.
Were a lockout to happen, the players would sue the league for restraint-of-trade antitrust violations. Star quarterbacks Peyton Manning, Tom Brady and Drew Brees already have agreed to be the lead plaintiffs, although many more players could be involved.
The owners made a CBA proposal to the union earlier Friday, but the union did not accept it, presumably because the owners have refused to turn over team-by-team financial information the union has requested.
At roughly 4:45 p.m. ET, executive director DeMaurice Smith met with the media and said if the league wanted to extend the negotiating deadline for a third time in a week, it would have to turn over 10 years of audited team financials by 5 p.m. Smith did not threaten decertification, but the threat was implicit.
#53
It's bullshit that they can decertify because they can't get what they want. You are either a union or you're not. Can't be just because what you want that'll make it better for your side. Hopefully judge throws it out.
#56
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Thread Starter
#57
Thought there wasn't a NFLPA, thought they decertified themselves?? So how can they continue as a group? Bunch of dillholes!!
#58
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Thread Starter
#62
Some mock drafts are putting Patrick Peterson going at #7 to the 49ers
Either way him or Amukamara will be a much needed addition to our atrocious secondary... but if he slips down to #7
Either way him or Amukamara will be a much needed addition to our atrocious secondary... but if he slips down to #7
#63
I wish!
#64
NFL owners vote to move kickoffs up 5 yards to 35 yard line
NEW ORLEANS (AP) -- The NFL will move kickoffs up 5 yards to the 35-yard line, keep touchbacks coming out to the 20 and allow the number of players in a blocking wedge to remain at two.
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/201...siextra_032311
Yippee, more touchbacks and less action
#65
Senior Moderator
Thread Starter
Not a fan of that new kickoff rule. Thanks for nerfing some of the most electrifying plays in football.
#66
#67
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#69
Team Owner
Don't forget the new rule regarding all scoring eligible to reviewed by officials at the end of games now.
So I keep reading comparisons of Blaine Gabbert to Aaron Rodgers. Even McShay has him as the best QB.
So I keep reading comparisons of Blaine Gabbert to Aaron Rodgers. Even McShay has him as the best QB.
#70
Bent = #1
They year Brady Quinn came out he was McGays' best QB.. Gabbert is not the best QB in this draft.
#71
Doesn't Gabbert have an alleged accuracy issue (again I watch close to zero college football)? It's irrelevant how much of an athlete a guy is, how intelligent he is, what kind of offense he played in or how good his mechanics are (perhaps that can make it an even bigger issue) if he has mediocre or worse accuracy
and yet some mocks have him going as #1 to Carolina maybe due to the fact that they need to make shit happen ASAP
and yet some mocks have him going as #1 to Carolina maybe due to the fact that they need to make shit happen ASAP
#74
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Thread Starter
Chad Pennington tears ACL playing basketball
Wow...just wow...this guy has absolutely no luck...
Story here: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/201...html?eref=sihp
Story here: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/201...html?eref=sihp
#78
#79
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Judge Lifts Lockout...
From TSN...
After seven weeks of bitter back and forth, failed talks and growing uncertainty about the 2011 season, a federal judge has ordered an immediate end to the NFL lockout.
But there are many hurdles to clear and questions to answer before pro football is actually back on track.
U.S. District Judge Susan Richard Nelson gave the players an early victory Monday in their fight with the owners over how to divide the US$9 billion business, granting their injunction request to lift the lockout.
The fate of next season, however, remained in limbo: The NFL responded by filing a notice of appeal questioning whether Nelson exceeded her jurisdiction, seeking relief from the 8th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals in St. Louis. Hours later, the league filed a motion for an expedited stay, meaning it wants Nelson to put her ruling on hold to let the appeals process play out.
What happens in the next few days is murky, too.
Will players burst through the weight room doors at team facilities and start studying their playbooks? Or will they keep to the mostly individual routines they've developed since the start of the NFL's first work stoppage since 1987?
"We're in a 'Wild West' right now. Football is back to business, but guess what? There's no rules. There's a lot of positive to that, but there's also a lot of negatives," said linebacker Ben Leber, one of the 10 plaintiffs in the still-pending antitrust lawsuit filed against the league when the union broke up last month.
Bills safety George Wilson confirmed that the NFLPA emailed players late Monday suggesting they report to work on Tuesday. He said players were told they should be granted access under normal circumstances and if they are denied access the teams would be in violation of the judge's ruling.
"We have received inquiry from a number of players and agents. We have simply responded and told them we don't see anything wrong with it," NFL Players Association spokesman George Atallah said in a text message to The Associated Press. "Players are organizing stuff on their own ..."
NFL spokesman Greg Aiello said any player who shows up to team facilities will be allowed in.
"If a player comes to the facility, he will be treated courteously and with respect," Aiello said in an email.
Nelson's ruling was a stern rebuke of the NFL's case, hardly a surprise given the court's history with the league and her pattern of questioning during a hearing here three weeks ago in St. Paul, Minn.
In a room packed with lawyers, players and league officials, Nelson politely but persistently questioned NFL lawyer David Boies about his repeated argument that she shouldn't have jurisdiction over a labour dispute with an unfair negotiation charge against the players pending with the National Labor Relations Board.
In her ruling, Nelson rejected that contention. She recognized the NFL Players Association's decision to "de-unionize" as legitimate because it has "serious consequences" for the players.
Nelson even referenced her colleague, U.S. District Judge David Doty, who has frequently ruled for the players in the past. Not only did she declare that players are likely to suffer harm by the lockout, a legal requirement for granting the injunction, Nelson wrote that they're already feeling the hurt now.
She cited their short careers, arguing that monetary damages wouldn't be enough relief.
What Nelson didn't do, however, was tackle the issue of the antitrust lawsuit filed last month when the union broke up. That, she wrote, "must wait another day."
In an opinion piece posted late Monday night on the Wall Street Journal's website, NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell wrote that Nelson's ruling "may significantly alter professional football as we know it. ... By blessing this negotiating tactic (recognizing the players' right to dissolve their union), the decision may endanger one of the most popular and successful sports leagues in history."
NFLPA executive director DeMaurice Smith said players were eager to resume court-ordered mediation to resolve the fight.
"My hope is really is that there's somebody on the other side who loves football as much as our players and fans do," he said.
If the injunction is upheld, the NFL must resume business in some fashion.
It could invoke the 2010 rules for free agency, meaning players would need six seasons of service before becoming unrestricted free agents when their contracts expire; previously, it was four years. The requirement for restricted free agents would be four years rather than the three years before 2010. There also was no salary cap in 2010, meaning teams could spend as much -- or as little -- as they wanted.
And the NFL would need to determine whether off-season workouts can be held while the appeal is pending.
Owners imposed the lockout after talks broke down March 11 and the players disbanded their union. A group of players filed the injunction request along with a class-action antitrust lawsuit against the league.
Jim Quinn, a lawyer for the players, said the pressure is on the league.
"They better act quickly, because as of right now there's no stay and, presumably, players could sign with teams," Quinn said. "There are no guidelines as of right now, so they have to put something in place quickly."
In a statement, the NFL again argued its belief that "federal law bars injunctions in labour disputes" and expressed confidence the appeals court would agree.
"But we also believe that this dispute will inevitably end with a collective bargaining agreement, which would be in the best interests of players, clubs and fans. We can reach a fair agreement only if we continue negotiations toward that goal," the NFL said.
The NFL has argued that stopping the lockout would open all 32 teams up to additional antitrust claims simply for working together to solve the labour dispute. Antitrust claims carry triple damages for any harm proven, meaning hundreds of millions of dollars are at stake.
In the request for the expedited stay, the NFL argued a "reasonable prospect of success" on appeal.
League lawyers wrote that without a stay, teams would be forced to choose "between the irreparable harm of unrestricted free agency or the irreparable harm of more treble-damages lawsuits," pain that would be felt immediately. They also contended a hold on the injunction is in the public interest, letting the appeals process play out before "there are fundamental and irreversible changes in the relationships between and among" the two sides.
The relationship between the two sides has been in rough shape for months.
Nelson heard arguments on the injunction at a hearing on April 6 and ordered the two sides to resume mediation while she was considering her decision. The owners and players, who failed to reach consensus after 16 days of mediated talks earlier this year, met over four days with a federal magistrate but did not announce any progress on solving the impasse.
They are not scheduled to meet again until May 16, four days after Doty holds a hearing on whether players should get damages in their related fight with owners over some $4 billion in broadcast revenue.
Osi Umenyiora, the New York Giants defensive end and one of the plaintiffs, called the ruling a "win for the players and for the fans" in a statement.
"The lockout is bad for everyone, and players will continue to fight it," Umenyiora said. "We hope that this will bring us one step closer to playing the game we love."
With appeals expected, the fight seems likely to drag on through the spring and, possibly, into the summer. The closer it gets to August, when training camps and the pre-season get into full swing, the more likely it becomes that regular season games could be lost.
That's when fans will really start to sweat this, and the public interest in this case did not go overlooked in Nelson's ruling.
"This particular employment dispute is far from a purely private argument over compensation," she wrote.
But there are many hurdles to clear and questions to answer before pro football is actually back on track.
U.S. District Judge Susan Richard Nelson gave the players an early victory Monday in their fight with the owners over how to divide the US$9 billion business, granting their injunction request to lift the lockout.
The fate of next season, however, remained in limbo: The NFL responded by filing a notice of appeal questioning whether Nelson exceeded her jurisdiction, seeking relief from the 8th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals in St. Louis. Hours later, the league filed a motion for an expedited stay, meaning it wants Nelson to put her ruling on hold to let the appeals process play out.
What happens in the next few days is murky, too.
Will players burst through the weight room doors at team facilities and start studying their playbooks? Or will they keep to the mostly individual routines they've developed since the start of the NFL's first work stoppage since 1987?
"We're in a 'Wild West' right now. Football is back to business, but guess what? There's no rules. There's a lot of positive to that, but there's also a lot of negatives," said linebacker Ben Leber, one of the 10 plaintiffs in the still-pending antitrust lawsuit filed against the league when the union broke up last month.
Bills safety George Wilson confirmed that the NFLPA emailed players late Monday suggesting they report to work on Tuesday. He said players were told they should be granted access under normal circumstances and if they are denied access the teams would be in violation of the judge's ruling.
"We have received inquiry from a number of players and agents. We have simply responded and told them we don't see anything wrong with it," NFL Players Association spokesman George Atallah said in a text message to The Associated Press. "Players are organizing stuff on their own ..."
NFL spokesman Greg Aiello said any player who shows up to team facilities will be allowed in.
"If a player comes to the facility, he will be treated courteously and with respect," Aiello said in an email.
Nelson's ruling was a stern rebuke of the NFL's case, hardly a surprise given the court's history with the league and her pattern of questioning during a hearing here three weeks ago in St. Paul, Minn.
In a room packed with lawyers, players and league officials, Nelson politely but persistently questioned NFL lawyer David Boies about his repeated argument that she shouldn't have jurisdiction over a labour dispute with an unfair negotiation charge against the players pending with the National Labor Relations Board.
In her ruling, Nelson rejected that contention. She recognized the NFL Players Association's decision to "de-unionize" as legitimate because it has "serious consequences" for the players.
Nelson even referenced her colleague, U.S. District Judge David Doty, who has frequently ruled for the players in the past. Not only did she declare that players are likely to suffer harm by the lockout, a legal requirement for granting the injunction, Nelson wrote that they're already feeling the hurt now.
She cited their short careers, arguing that monetary damages wouldn't be enough relief.
What Nelson didn't do, however, was tackle the issue of the antitrust lawsuit filed last month when the union broke up. That, she wrote, "must wait another day."
In an opinion piece posted late Monday night on the Wall Street Journal's website, NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell wrote that Nelson's ruling "may significantly alter professional football as we know it. ... By blessing this negotiating tactic (recognizing the players' right to dissolve their union), the decision may endanger one of the most popular and successful sports leagues in history."
NFLPA executive director DeMaurice Smith said players were eager to resume court-ordered mediation to resolve the fight.
"My hope is really is that there's somebody on the other side who loves football as much as our players and fans do," he said.
If the injunction is upheld, the NFL must resume business in some fashion.
It could invoke the 2010 rules for free agency, meaning players would need six seasons of service before becoming unrestricted free agents when their contracts expire; previously, it was four years. The requirement for restricted free agents would be four years rather than the three years before 2010. There also was no salary cap in 2010, meaning teams could spend as much -- or as little -- as they wanted.
And the NFL would need to determine whether off-season workouts can be held while the appeal is pending.
Owners imposed the lockout after talks broke down March 11 and the players disbanded their union. A group of players filed the injunction request along with a class-action antitrust lawsuit against the league.
Jim Quinn, a lawyer for the players, said the pressure is on the league.
"They better act quickly, because as of right now there's no stay and, presumably, players could sign with teams," Quinn said. "There are no guidelines as of right now, so they have to put something in place quickly."
In a statement, the NFL again argued its belief that "federal law bars injunctions in labour disputes" and expressed confidence the appeals court would agree.
"But we also believe that this dispute will inevitably end with a collective bargaining agreement, which would be in the best interests of players, clubs and fans. We can reach a fair agreement only if we continue negotiations toward that goal," the NFL said.
The NFL has argued that stopping the lockout would open all 32 teams up to additional antitrust claims simply for working together to solve the labour dispute. Antitrust claims carry triple damages for any harm proven, meaning hundreds of millions of dollars are at stake.
In the request for the expedited stay, the NFL argued a "reasonable prospect of success" on appeal.
League lawyers wrote that without a stay, teams would be forced to choose "between the irreparable harm of unrestricted free agency or the irreparable harm of more treble-damages lawsuits," pain that would be felt immediately. They also contended a hold on the injunction is in the public interest, letting the appeals process play out before "there are fundamental and irreversible changes in the relationships between and among" the two sides.
The relationship between the two sides has been in rough shape for months.
Nelson heard arguments on the injunction at a hearing on April 6 and ordered the two sides to resume mediation while she was considering her decision. The owners and players, who failed to reach consensus after 16 days of mediated talks earlier this year, met over four days with a federal magistrate but did not announce any progress on solving the impasse.
They are not scheduled to meet again until May 16, four days after Doty holds a hearing on whether players should get damages in their related fight with owners over some $4 billion in broadcast revenue.
Osi Umenyiora, the New York Giants defensive end and one of the plaintiffs, called the ruling a "win for the players and for the fans" in a statement.
"The lockout is bad for everyone, and players will continue to fight it," Umenyiora said. "We hope that this will bring us one step closer to playing the game we love."
With appeals expected, the fight seems likely to drag on through the spring and, possibly, into the summer. The closer it gets to August, when training camps and the pre-season get into full swing, the more likely it becomes that regular season games could be lost.
That's when fans will really start to sweat this, and the public interest in this case did not go overlooked in Nelson's ruling.
"This particular employment dispute is far from a purely private argument over compensation," she wrote.
#80
Team Owner
I heard that in Buffalo they couldn't get into the training facility at all. Then I heard in another city they could use the treadmills but most of the weight rooms were closed. I read that D'Brickashaw Ferguson from the Jets showed up, couldn't work out, and then proclaimed he deserves his workout bonus of $750k.