Sports Talk & Fantasy Leagues If you like men in tights, this is the spot to be!

NBA Discussion Thread

Thread Tools
 
Old 06-01-2006 | 10:01 AM
  #2121  
badboy's Avatar
Safety Car
 
Joined: Aug 2004
Posts: 4,197
Likes: 16
From: NJ
Originally Posted by Doom878
Saying Dallas is more fit to guard him is like reason #51 out of 51 why Dallas could beat Miami. Either team will have a hard time stopping him. The fact that Dallas has big men might help but Phoenix's fast break offense is more problematic for Miami and will be the bigger issue and more likely a reason why Phoenix could/would win. All assuming Miami and Phoenix make it to the Finals.
Both Pheonix and Dallas have won both games against the Heat this season.
I don't know why you guys are so sure that Pheonix has a better chance than Dallas to beat the Heat.
Old 06-01-2006 | 10:03 AM
  #2122  
badboy's Avatar
Safety Car
 
Joined: Aug 2004
Posts: 4,197
Likes: 16
From: NJ
I am very disappointed in Rasheed. He is the most talented player on the team who is performing the least.
Old 06-01-2006 | 10:40 AM
  #2123  
Samer007's Avatar
Smack My B*tch Up
 
Joined: Mar 2001
Posts: 6,213
Likes: 0
From: W. Bloomfield, MI
This is what they do, because this is what they've done.

This is who they are, because this is who they've been.

-espn
Old 06-01-2006 | 10:41 AM
  #2124  
Samer007's Avatar
Smack My B*tch Up
 
Joined: Mar 2001
Posts: 6,213
Likes: 0
From: W. Bloomfield, MI
Originally Posted by badboy
I am very disappointed in Rasheed. He is the most talented player on the team who is performing the least.

his presence means a lot to the pistons, statistics doesn't mean much.
Old 06-01-2006 | 10:44 AM
  #2125  
Doom878's Avatar
Team Owner
 
Joined: Feb 2002
Posts: 28,003
Likes: 1,322
From: Miami, FL
Because Phoenix will have to rely on it's transition game due to it's size more than Dallas. And Miami's transition game isn't the greatest. We got the shit kicked out of us by Phoenix. They scored like 60 in the 1st half. Our half court D has been pretty good at stopping Detroit's 1-4 which 3 of the 4 were All Stars. Yes Dallas' 1-4 are good too but Billups, Rip, Prince, and Rasheed are an impressive bunch.
Old 06-01-2006 | 11:31 AM
  #2126  
moomaster_99's Avatar
Banned
 
Joined: Jan 2001
Posts: 9,151
Likes: 0
From: Somewhere between here and there, yet neither.
Originally Posted by Doom878
Because Phoenix will have to rely on it's transition game due to it's size more than Dallas. And Miami's transition game isn't the greatest. We got the shit kicked out of us by Phoenix. They scored like 60 in the 1st half. Our half court D has been pretty good at stopping Detroit's 1-4 which 3 of the 4 were All Stars. Yes Dallas' 1-4 are good too but Billups, Rip, Prince, and Rasheed are an impressive bunch.
If Phoenix can get out and run.....they'll let shaq score 100...and still win by 20.

Everyone on the Suns can run and gun...and do it for an entire game. Ive seen the Heat on transition defense....and well, its almost a guaranteed fastbreak if Miami's conditioning doesnt improve...it doesnt help that Shaq is too big to keep running up and down the court...and Antoine is just too lazy....
Old 06-01-2006 | 11:33 AM
  #2127  
moomaster_99's Avatar
Banned
 
Joined: Jan 2001
Posts: 9,151
Likes: 0
From: Somewhere between here and there, yet neither.
Originally Posted by Samer007
his presence means a lot to the pistons, statistics doesn't mean much.
This is true...he provides the threat both offensively and defensively....6'11" and long....but if his shot or aggressiveness doesnt improve....Detroit could be out.
Old 06-01-2006 | 03:01 PM
  #2128  
Amoeba's Avatar
Best D-Line in the NFL
 
Joined: Jul 2002
Posts: 4,415
Likes: 0
From: Gainesville, Fl for college, Palm Beach Gardens, Fl at Home
Rasheed Wallace is the most overrated forward in the league. 13 points 6 boards a game during the regular season is nothing to get excited over.
Old 06-01-2006 | 03:02 PM
  #2129  
badboy's Avatar
Safety Car
 
Joined: Aug 2004
Posts: 4,197
Likes: 16
From: NJ
Originally Posted by Amoeba
Rasheed Wallace is the most overrated forward in the league. 13 points 6 boards a game during the regular season is nothing to get excited over.
He may not have big numbers, but he is the most talented on that team.

He is not playing his usual part right now, that is the reason detroit is struggling.
Old 06-01-2006 | 03:04 PM
  #2130  
Amoeba's Avatar
Best D-Line in the NFL
 
Joined: Jul 2002
Posts: 4,415
Likes: 0
From: Gainesville, Fl for college, Palm Beach Gardens, Fl at Home
The reason detroit is struggling is because their fans and the players are all whiny bitches who can't give credit to the Heat who has played good defense against them. That's why I hate Detroit so much, they always blame themselves and don't give credit where it is due.
Old 06-01-2006 | 03:12 PM
  #2131  
badboy's Avatar
Safety Car
 
Joined: Aug 2004
Posts: 4,197
Likes: 16
From: NJ
The truth of the matter is that Detroit IS struggling offensively. Even in the last game they looked like they didn't know what to do with the ball. That is not how they played during the season.

Miami is also playing well, but they better win the next game if they want to go to the finals.
Old 06-01-2006 | 04:16 PM
  #2132  
Doom878's Avatar
Team Owner
 
Joined: Feb 2002
Posts: 28,003
Likes: 1,322
From: Miami, FL
Originally Posted by moomaster_99
If Phoenix can get out and run.....they'll let shaq score 100...and still win by 20.

Everyone on the Suns can run and gun...and do it for an entire game. Ive seen the Heat on transition defense....and well, its almost a guaranteed fastbreak if Miami's conditioning doesnt improve...it doesnt help that Shaq is too big to keep running up and down the court...and Antoine is just too lazy....
That's what I'm saying. But Toine hasn't been lazy lately. Our vets are pushing.
Old 06-01-2006 | 10:56 PM
  #2133  
badboy's Avatar
Safety Car
 
Joined: Aug 2004
Posts: 4,197
Likes: 16
From: NJ
Go Dirk...simply awesome.
Old 06-01-2006 | 10:58 PM
  #2134  
moonraker's Avatar
goldeneye style
 
Joined: Jun 2003
Posts: 894
Likes: 0
Originally Posted by badboy
Go Dirk...simply awesome.
word word

hopefully can close it out now!!
Old 06-01-2006 | 11:04 PM
  #2135  
badboy's Avatar
Safety Car
 
Joined: Aug 2004
Posts: 4,197
Likes: 16
From: NJ
anyone from dallas area ever been to the loon?? word has it the mavs go there after every home game.
Old 06-02-2006 | 11:44 AM
  #2136  
WdnUlik2no's Avatar
Safety Car
 
Joined: Jun 2005
Posts: 4,566
Likes: 34
From: Atlanta
Originally Posted by badboy
The truth of the matter is that Detroit IS struggling offensively. Even in the last game they looked like they didn't know what to do with the ball. That is not how they played during the season.

Miami is also playing well, but they better win the next game if they want to go to the finals.
yep. They should have closed them out in game 5. Don't even give them a chance! Game 6 is a must win for the heat, if they lose tonight, they'll end up just like the Cavs. I hope they don't end up blowing the 3 - 1 lead... I hate detroit almost as much as I hate the lakers.
Old 06-02-2006 | 12:08 PM
  #2137  
badboy's Avatar
Safety Car
 
Joined: Aug 2004
Posts: 4,197
Likes: 16
From: NJ
Can't wait for tonights game. Miami fans wil be nervous for once in this series.
Old 06-02-2006 | 12:19 PM
  #2138  
CrockPot's Avatar
Suzuka Master
 
Joined: Jun 2003
Posts: 8,333
Likes: 0
From: SoCal
Originally Posted by WdnUlik2no
yep. They should have closed them out in game 5. Don't even give them a chance! Game 6 is a must win for the heat, if they lose tonight, they'll end up just like the Cavs. I hope they don't end up blowing the 3 - 1 lead... I hate detroit almost as much as I hate the lakers.
good thing atlanta's got a great team to stand behind.
Old 06-02-2006 | 01:36 PM
  #2139  
moonraker's Avatar
goldeneye style
 
Joined: Jun 2003
Posts: 894
Likes: 0
Originally Posted by badboy
anyone from dallas area ever been to the loon?? word has it the mavs go there after every home game.
hmm never even heard of it. you know its whereabouts? downtown maybe?
Old 06-02-2006 | 02:18 PM
  #2140  
badboy's Avatar
Safety Car
 
Joined: Aug 2004
Posts: 4,197
Likes: 16
From: NJ
Originally Posted by moonraker
hmm never even heard of it. you know its whereabouts? downtown maybe?
No idea where it is...heard it from cuban on some interview.
Old 06-02-2006 | 09:38 PM
  #2141  
Mike's Avatar
Senior Moderator
 
Joined: Apr 2000
Posts: 10,925
Likes: 12
From: location location
hahahahahaha pistons losing made my weekend!!!!
Old 06-02-2006 | 09:57 PM
  #2142  
Doom878's Avatar
Team Owner
 
Joined: Feb 2002
Posts: 28,003
Likes: 1,322
From: Miami, FL
ASS WHIPPIN!!!!! Wade was in the hospital, Shaq couldn't be stopped, and the defense held them to 33% FG%. How many of you said this team wasn't elite??? See you in the FINALS!
Old 06-02-2006 | 09:57 PM
  #2143  
derrick's Avatar
Senior Moderator
 
Joined: May 2001
Posts: 5,122
Likes: 30
From: Windsor, ON, Canada
Pistons lost ... Dammit. Oh well ... it's back to watching hockey. Go Oilers!
Old 06-02-2006 | 10:00 PM
  #2144  
Ol Blue Eyes's Avatar
Banned
 
Joined: Dec 2004
Posts: 4,533
Likes: 0
as water-s would say........this maters doesn't, detroight is ims mitchigan so itz dusnt matters


besides, none of these teams are impressive
Old 06-02-2006 | 10:07 PM
  #2145  
Doom878's Avatar
Team Owner
 
Joined: Feb 2002
Posts: 28,003
Likes: 1,322
From: Miami, FL
Originally Posted by Doom878
Shaq stays out of foul trouble, Wade is Wade, Walker plays above his head are 3 things. But the #1 thing is our D. If Billups and Hamilton light it up, we're screwed. If we allow a big lead, with Detroit's D, we won't catch up so easily like NJ and Chicago's crappy D. Time to really step it up.
Substitute Walker with any possible 3rd option.
Old 06-02-2006 | 10:08 PM
  #2146  
Doom878's Avatar
Team Owner
 
Joined: Feb 2002
Posts: 28,003
Likes: 1,322
From: Miami, FL
Originally Posted by Ol Blue Eyes
as water-s would say........this maters doesn't, detroight is ims mitchigan so itz dusnt matters


besides, none of these teams are impressive
Drink much?
Old 06-02-2006 | 10:23 PM
  #2147  
Ol Blue Eyes's Avatar
Banned
 
Joined: Dec 2004
Posts: 4,533
Likes: 0
Originally Posted by Doom878
Drink much?





do you know what I am talking about?
Old 06-02-2006 | 10:38 PM
  #2148  
Amoeba's Avatar
Best D-Line in the NFL
 
Joined: Jul 2002
Posts: 4,415
Likes: 0
From: Gainesville, Fl for college, Palm Beach Gardens, Fl at Home
Yea baby GO HEAT

Rasheed Wallace and Hamilton are so overrated it isn't even funny. Finally the country showed that they aren't as special as the media hypes them too be.

Okay Piston fans, now make excuses how your team just didn't have good fg percentage because they just weren't "on" the whole series, instead of giving credit to the Heat's D.
Old 06-02-2006 | 10:51 PM
  #2149  
agranado's Avatar
how handsome I am
 
Joined: Oct 2004
Posts: 12,983
Likes: 1
From: Miami, FL
Old 06-02-2006 | 11:16 PM
  #2150  
Doom878's Avatar
Team Owner
 
Joined: Feb 2002
Posts: 28,003
Likes: 1,322
From: Miami, FL
Originally Posted by Ol Blue Eyes
do you know what I am talking about?
That last sentence was so clear it confused me.
Old 06-02-2006 | 11:35 PM
  #2151  
iamhomin's Avatar
04 remembrance
 
Joined: Jun 2002
Posts: 5,681
Likes: 0
From: NJ
Surprising to say the least, but Miami clearly played consistently throughout the series. It would be interesting to see them match up with either Dallas or Suns, though the Dallas would cause more problems. Speaking of Dallas, have you guys seen Dirk yesterday night? That guy is seriously good.
Old 06-02-2006 | 11:46 PM
  #2152  
agranado's Avatar
how handsome I am
 
Joined: Oct 2004
Posts: 12,983
Likes: 1
From: Miami, FL
Originally Posted by iamhomin
Surprising to say the least, but Miami clearly played consistently throughout the series. It would be interesting to see them match up with either Dallas or Suns, though the Dallas would cause more problems. Speaking of Dallas, have you guys seen Dirk yesterday night? That guy is seriously good.
on the contrary. I think the suns would give us a harder time.. they have a faster paced team I think..
Old 06-02-2006 | 11:56 PM
  #2153  
badboy's Avatar
Safety Car
 
Joined: Aug 2004
Posts: 4,197
Likes: 16
From: NJ
Originally Posted by Amoeba
Yea baby GO HEAT

Rasheed Wallace and Hamilton are so overrated it isn't even funny. Finally the country showed that they aren't as special as the media hypes them too be.

Okay Piston fans, now make excuses how your team just didn't have good fg percentage because they just weren't "on" the whole series, instead of giving credit to the Heat's D.
Uh, did you not see how many open shots detroit missed? This was definately due to their lack of offense more than the heat defense.
Old 06-03-2006 | 12:12 AM
  #2154  
Amoeba's Avatar
Best D-Line in the NFL
 
Joined: Jul 2002
Posts: 4,415
Likes: 0
From: Gainesville, Fl for college, Palm Beach Gardens, Fl at Home
Originally Posted by badboy
Uh, did you not see how many open shots detroit missed? This was definately due to their lack of offense more than the heat defense.
Detroit had opportunities, just like every team does every night, but the Heat also forced them into a lot of bad shots throughout the series. The Pistons couldn't get it done, bottom line.


And to everyone saying Dallas will give us a harder time.... how can you all say that? Diop is going to be able to cover Shaq...um yea right. Josh Howard is not a special player, leaving Nowitzki and Terry as their go to guys. Miami will compete a lot better with Dallas then the Pheonix run and gun, our guys aren't conditioned enough to do that all game.
Old 06-03-2006 | 02:39 AM
  #2155  
agranado's Avatar
how handsome I am
 
Joined: Oct 2004
Posts: 12,983
Likes: 1
From: Miami, FL
Originally Posted by badboy
Uh, did you not see how many open shots detroit missed? This was definately due to their lack of offense more than the heat defense.
How many of those open shots were forced bad shots by a tightly knit heat defense?

Old 06-03-2006 | 08:40 AM
  #2156  
iamhomin's Avatar
04 remembrance
 
Joined: Jun 2002
Posts: 5,681
Likes: 0
From: NJ
Originally Posted by Amoeba
And to everyone saying Dallas will give us a harder time.... how can you all say that? Diop is going to be able to cover Shaq...um yea right. Josh Howard is not a special player, leaving Nowitzki and Terry as their go to guys. Miami will compete a lot better with Dallas then the Pheonix run and gun, our guys aren't conditioned enough to do that all game.
Not really. You think the Heats will submit to the Sun's style of play? I don't think so. The Suns are capable of winning, yes, but their chances are always determined by how well they shoot. Dallas on the other hand are more well-rounded and can use a lot of different strategies to beat the Heats.

Plus, the Dallas have Dirk man....If you want to mention matchups, who's going to cover Dirk? And Josh Howard is more "special" than any other Heat players w/ the exception of Shaq and Wade. And to be fair, Dallas can live w/ Shaq being Shaq. The role players are more important than Shaq's dominance IMO (though Shaq's dominance is what breeds open shots for the role players), and the Dallas has plenty of players that can gaurd the Heat's spot up shooters.
Old 06-03-2006 | 08:49 AM
  #2157  
derrick's Avatar
Senior Moderator
 
Joined: May 2001
Posts: 5,122
Likes: 30
From: Windsor, ON, Canada
It wasn't the Heat's stifling defense that won. It was:

1) Detroit not making shots
2) Detroit being too arrogant (oh, we're only __ points down at the half, we'll find a way to win)
3) Flip Saunders not having enough control of the players
4) Miami playing 'hungry'
5) Miami having the memory of losing game 7 last year AT HOME

Detroit will have to regroup. I think 'Sheed has outstayed his welcome. People who "guarantee" victory need to pack up and go.

I do think that Miami would have a tougher time running against Phoenix. Shaq running up and down the court for 30 minutes? No way -- he'd have a heart attack. Dallas can run (which they should against Miami if they advance) but Nash will pick apart Miami's "tough D" that Amoeba is referring to.
Old 06-03-2006 | 10:37 AM
  #2158  
Amoeba's Avatar
Best D-Line in the NFL
 
Joined: Jul 2002
Posts: 4,415
Likes: 0
From: Gainesville, Fl for college, Palm Beach Gardens, Fl at Home
Whatever, if none of you arrogant Piston fans don't want to admit that Miami outplayed Detroit on both ends of the court then so be it. It doesn't matter because your squad isn't in the finals!

We will find a way to cover Dirk, Haslem is a fantastic physical defender, and we will find someone to come from the back side to disturb him.
Old 06-03-2006 | 12:20 PM
  #2159  
teg_to_bike's Avatar
I'm back, biatch.
 
Joined: Sep 2004
Posts: 5,752
Likes: 0
From: Sunnyvale, CA


The Bulls gave Miami a tougher time than Detroit and NJ.
Old 06-03-2006 | 12:43 PM
  #2160  
Doom878's Avatar
Team Owner
 
Joined: Feb 2002
Posts: 28,003
Likes: 1,322
From: Miami, FL
Originally Posted by Amoeba
Whatever, if none of you arrogant Piston fans don't want to admit that Miami outplayed Detroit on both ends of the court then so be it. It doesn't matter because your squad isn't in the finals!

We will find a way to cover Dirk, Haslem is a fantastic physical defender, and we will find someone to come from the back side to disturb him.
Don't sweat the squad with their lame BS excuses. If they can't give credit they can walk to their corner and go .


Quick Reply: NBA Discussion Thread



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 02:23 PM.