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IHC has been around the block.. porn stars, MMA icons, racing icons.. etc.
Now he rides his bike to work and drives a Bimmer.
Yeah, my new normal life is pretty exciting. I didn't go down without a fight but the fiancée ultimately kicked my ass and made me a halfway decent person, damnit.
I don't remember saying that but I don't feel like searching through a bunch of posts to see if you're lying or not. Regardless I'm sure it was taken out of context as per your usual posts.
So instead of attempting to make an argument for your man crush, you try to discredit me based on opinion? "Good hands" is relative. Some fighters make other good fighters look really bad. I've been in the ring with a decent boxer that was nothing but sheer frustration. He could hit me at will and I couldn't touch him the entire time. I'm sure I looked awful but then again I've never claimed to be good. Put me on the street against most self proclaimed "tough guys" and it's a different story. I've been in there with Tito and once with Miller for fun and held my own . And by "held my own" I mean I didn't get knocked down and I was able to make contact with them. Boxers going by boxing rules make me look very bad.
Most would agree Chuck had good hands, at least at one time but there have been a couple opponents that made him look like an amateur (well, almost). There's example after example. I didn't watch the video of Cain vs Lesnar but showing Lesnar against one opponent means nothing.
I'm starting to get the idea you don't know a whole lot about the UFC, MMA, or much of anything to do with the sport. My point being I don't think you're qualified to say who has good hands and who doesn't. Lesnar had a real wrestling background before he started training for MMA style fights but as far as I know he had around a year of striking experience before they threw him to the wolves. He's not my favorite guy on a personal level but show me anyone else who could be competitive as he was with very, very little training. The UFC did not give him any easy fights, he started with the best. I'm just some nobody that showed up at the gym to keep in shape but Frank came in several times and while pretty much everyone there had their way with me, I could still see that Mir was on a different level on the ground and Miller's ground game wasn't exactly bad. I was in shock that Lesnar managed to beat him so badly the second time. So no, I don't think Lesnar has great hands compared to the best the UFC has to offer but I think he has good hands, especially considering how little training he had against guys that had trained their whole lifetime. I don't have to make excuses for him, he did win the title and had a few good fights despite having some things stacked against him. Speaking of relative, do you think you could last a round with him, just boxing? I'm just curious what reality you're in.
You're letting your infatuation with Jones cloud your judgment. Jones is a great fighter and a completely shitty human being. I'm still a huge Tito fan but I can admit he's not UFC material any more and I'm not going to defend him if someone criticizes his fighting.
No you definitely did, I was shocked. It was when brock was pretty popular but anyone who knows anything knows he has sloppy hands and just over powered people. Not sure why you even said half the stuff you said. I used to box too not sure how that's relevant though?
No you definitely did, I was shocked. It was when brock was pretty popular but anyone who knows anything knows he has sloppy hands and just over powered people. Not sure why you even said half the stuff you said. I used to box too not sure how that's relevant though?
No you definitely did, I was shocked. It was when brock was pretty popular but anyone who knows anything knows he has sloppy hands and just over powered people. Not sure why you even said half the stuff you said. I used to box too not sure how that's relevant though?
I don't expect you to understand shit. You're not the brightest. I said that comparatively. He had little standup training yet was pretty good with his hands. Put him next to the best the UFC has to offer and he will look sloppy as most would. Put him against an average top 10 UFC guy and his boxing looks ok. It's not hard to understand. I would be like me and you. Put me in there with anyone who has trained for a few months I'm going to look sloppy. Put me in there with you and I'm going to look like Mike Tyson. Is it starting to click? Just a little flicker of the lightbulb?
He overpowered people? So since I'm 240 6'1" and a power lifter. Should I cut down and dominate the LH guys since I'm physically stronger? By your logic I should have a chance, right? Every skill set I once had is sloppy at best and my cardio is shit but I'm stronger than most of those guys so I should be able to snatch the belt as Lesnar did with his sloppy hands by "overpowering" them.
You've never been in the cage or trained because it's a humbling experience to say the least and you wouldn't be talking out of your ass. Give credit where credit is due. You don't get the belt by being just physically stronger.
I just watched a video from a long time ago with a champion pro body builder that took on a Gracie in a full MMA style fight. The weight difference was almost exactly 100lbs. Do I need to tell you who won? I guess overpowering people isn't the answer after all.
You used to box so do you think you could take Lesnar in boxing since his is so sloppy?
^I saw that video the other day. Very textbook how a BJJ fighter would defeat a bigger, stronger opponent with little skill. Then again it was from the 90s right. Nowadays most bros have taken a few MMA classes
What I really like is they can submit earlier.. but would rather eff them up.
Exactly. One of my best friends I grew up with who turned pro boxer at a relatively early age (Billy Bailey)did that all the time. He was about 170lb and at that time the whole city was on roids with every meathead looking for trouble.
He threw a bunch of jabs and body shots against the huge guys. I would usually cheerleader for the big guys sarcastically. I've never seen so many fights end in the big guys saying ok, I've had enough, etc. He always let the guys go when they gave up. Locals started talking about how he had no power and did not possess knockout power which was BS. So one day he catches some meatheads messing with a 14 year old girl and cussing at her grandmother. He gave several warnings and the guys attacked him. There were two punches thrown and two knockouts lol.
If you look him up and his boxing record its easy to see when his marriage started going south. He began not training and fighting hung over. He even fought on HBO without training much at all and partying a lot and held his own. He was good enough to toy with people and purposely beat them up without KOing them. I wish I had that luxury. You guys wouldn't believe what happened with the Mafia in a title fight in NJ. I thought that crap only happened in the movies. We were chased out of state, escorted by some scared police officers to the airport, waited for hours too scared to even go to the bathroom or get a bite to eat without all going together and caught the first flight to CA.
There I go rambling again but I only get to talk about this stuff on here.
I hate cars' stories are exactly why as big and strong I could get, I will never randomly fuck with someone on the street. Worst of all they can have a gun.
Loosely based on MMA but with a lot of backyard boxing, has anyone seen Dawg Fight? Really liked it.
Holy FF! This was a banger. Even the submissions and decisions were epic. We should have every card in nawlins. I think comparatively, this was one of the shortest cards too.
Fuck yeah Hendo!! Freaking Boetsch was like.. I'd love to retire Hendo.. you little bitch, didn't you see the H-bomb ready to drop yo ass!!
Dustin Poirier is one mean SOB. I felt kinda bad for Yancy. I guess Dustin wasn't too happy that fool missed weight. Yancy is tough SOB too.. he took some nasty shots that would have put out many guys earlier.
I hate Rothwell.. I was pretty pissed to see him pull that nasty crank. I'm just glad that the HW division is seriously stacked. The higher he moves up, the more likely he's going to get his shit broke off. I mean seriously, of all his years as an ass hat, he continues to get worst.
Holy FF! This was a banger. Even the submissions and decisions were epic. We should have every card in nawlins. I think comparatively, this was one of the shortest cards too.
Fuck yeah Hendo!! Freaking Boetsch was like.. I'd love to retire Hendo.. you little bitch, didn't you see the H-bomb ready to drop yo ass!!
Dustin Poirier is one mean SOB. I felt kinda bad for Yancy. I guess Dustin wasn't too happy that fool missed weight. Yancy is tough SOB too.. he took some nasty shots that would have put out many guys earlier.
I hate Rothwell.. I was pretty pissed to see him pull that nasty crank. I'm just glad that the HW division is seriously stacked. The higher he moves up, the more likely he's going to get his shit broke off. I mean seriously, of all his years as an ass hat, he continues to get worst.
Holy FF! This was a banger. Even the submissions and decisions were epic. We should have every card in nawlins. I think comparatively, this was one of the shortest cards too.
Fuck yeah Hendo!! Freaking Boetsch was like.. I'd love to retire Hendo.. you little bitch, didn't you see the H-bomb ready to drop yo ass!!
Dustin Poirier is one mean SOB. I felt kinda bad for Yancy. I guess Dustin wasn't too happy that fool missed weight. Yancy is tough SOB too.. he took some nasty shots that would have put out many guys earlier.
I hate Rothwell.. I was pretty pissed to see him pull that nasty crank. I'm just glad that the HW division is seriously stacked. The higher he moves up, the more likely he's going to get his shit broke off. I mean seriously, of all his years as an ass hat, he continues to get worst.
I missed the fights but damn that guy is a douche. Once he gets broken off by Cain or any number of guys, he might have a career in the WWE. I'm pretty surprised he beat Matt.
I'm really pissed I didn't get to see Dan win, he's awesome! I totally forgot about the UFC this weekend. Definitely going to have to watch it tonight. I think I told you this before but back when I first met him I had no idea who he was. We were looking for a UFC after party in LA after UFC 60 that I believe was at the Standard (I'm getting old, the memory is fading). We all ended up lose on skid row down town La at midnight stepping over bums, walking around their tents, stepping over human crap on the sidewalk. I kept asking my friend if this guy could hold his own if we get in a fight. He kept saying That's Dan Henderson. I kept saying yeah, but can he fight? I felt stupid later on when I learned who he was.
Did you hear it? Aw man, his blood was dripping in my mouth, and it was so warm. I thought they were going to cut to random audience members throwing up.
BTW, if that's "Mr. Finland" you're referring to, that shoulda been "black label Imma let you finnish."
Did you hear it? Aw man, his blood was dripping in my mouth, and it was so warm. I thought they were going to cut to random audience members throwing up.
BTW, if that's "Mr. Finland" you're referring to, that shoulda been "black label Imma let you finnish."
Are you talking about Tavares? I didn't pay attention to the interview, but Ortega didn't seem to be all that busted up. Tavares on the other hand.
Tavares was on top and Ortega had busted his forehead open with series of elbows from the bottom. Blood was pouring from Tavares head directly into ortegas face and mouth.
Many times I've heard the sports cliche about tasting blood and going for the kill. This was no cliche, Ortega was literally tasting Tavares blood.
I knew that shit was going down like that.. I didn't know the odds were so fucked though. I tried to call my brosef who is in Vegas right now to put 2 bills on Werdum.. freaking +450 fuckkk.
I was a little concerned after the first because Werdum looked gassed and Cain's grind was very effective, but when Cain slowed down in the 2nd and Werdum caught his 2nd wind.. I knew Cain would give up the striking and go for the takedowns.
Werdum can't be denied, what a champ. Everyone thought when he dethroned Fedor, it was a fluke. Then when he graciously snapped big nog's arm, he got lucky.. the guy is a legit world champ on the ground and world champ on his feet. You have to love him too.. fucking awesome.
Fire his whole training staff for letting him train at sea level for a fight taking place 7000+ feet above sea level and only giving him 2 weeks to adjust to the thin air.
Or....
Listen to his training staff when they tell him he needs 1-2 months at altitude for his body to adjust.
I missed another UFC damnit. I remembered about midnight last night but since I have to work the weekend I was in another state of mind.
I heard about Cain as soon as I got to work this morning. Was it true he was out of shape and sloppy or was he just not adjusted to the altitude?
Way back when I was taking the tests the the CHP I was working at 9,000' and it was a physical job. Plus, I was going to the gym every day and putting on at least 5 miles a day because it was a small town and the only other thing to do was sit in my hotel room.
So when I had to take the physical tests which were near sealevel, when it was time for the mile or 3/4 mile, whatever that distance was, I began slowing down toward the end because I didn't want it to look like I was showing off. It was like I couldn't get tired at my normal training pace so I kept stepping it up more and more and I just wasn't getting tired. On the flip side, I can't imagine not having the whole training camp at least at the altitude you're going to fight at. Many go to a higher altitude, this has to be one of the first times someone trained at a significantly lower altitude. I believe I was running 2-3 miles when I went out of town for that job at altitude and I remember my first run up there it took every ounce of will power to run a mile up there at first. I can't imagine what Cain felt like.
He came out like a raging bull but couldn't sustain it. He fought like Roy Nelson without the Roy Nelson body. I doubt he was truly out of shape, he just didn't seem to have the wind left after about 3.5 minutes. Regardless of whether he was "prepared" his body wasn't acclimated to the altitude.
He was so winded at the end that he dove into a take down attempt and the take down turned into diving into a guillotine choke. Werdum didn't even have to set it up, Cain lunged right into it.
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Cain wasn't out of shape. He might have had some ring rust, but it was Werdum's heavy strikes that messed up his game. I don't think altitude is to blame, and he even acknowledged that. Cain got a legit takedown on a legit world champion jits fighter. Don't forget that Werdum choked out Fedor (only submission loss) and broke Big Nog's arm. Fedor, the several time over Sambo champ and p4p king, and Big Nog who's a legit BJJ master with world titles and 21 of his 34 wins by submission. Werdum is a dangerous guy standing and on the ground. He's not impervious, but he's a killer and his technical game has evolved greatly.
Cain had a very good grind going, which wore out Werdum early on. Maybe he was concerned about the big knees or the clinch defense of Werdum, but he abandoned it. When Werdum caught Cain's knee and dumped him, I was in shock. That might have something to do with Cain switching the grind to stand up. His stand up was fine when he moved around, but after eating those nasty shots from Werdum, that all changed.
Cain had gone for several takedowns in the fight. The one he got on Werdum before the end was excellent, unfortunately he got caught but it wasn't unforeseeable. The guillotine finish was nasty. I've had a guillotine pulled on me numerous times and only finished a handful of times. Cain has probably seen guillotines from the best, and probably has never been finished in that position. He probably knew the risk, but figured he could escape and apply some vicious gnp.
I imagine the torque that Werdum was applying must have been intense for Cain to tap so quickly. I've had my adam's apple crushed so bad that I had a sore throat similar to strep for a week, but didn't tap. My voice sounded like I was going through puberty too, it's effed. But usually a guillotine is survivable. Not at Werdum's level.. he's a killer. It was a legit win, and if Cain faces him again, which I believe he will.. he won't make that mistake again.
Talking about nasty guillotines.. Jacare is also another Brazilian legit world champ you don't want to mess with on the ground. It's bullshit that they gave Rockhold the shot at Weidman, when it was rightfully Jacare's shot. Jacare's guillotine finish on Mousasi is one of the best I've seen (other than Bone's standing finish on Machida). It's such an easy submission, but difficult one to execute on top guys.
Cain wasn't out of shape. He might have had some ring rust, but it was Werdum's heavy strikes that messed up his game. I don't think altitude is to blame, and he even acknowledged that. Cain got a legit takedown on a legit world champion jits fighter. Don't forget that Werdum choked out Fedor (only submission loss) and broke Big Nog's arm. Fedor, the several time over Sambo champ and p4p king, and Big Nog who's a legit BJJ master with world titles and 21 of his 34 wins by submission. Werdum is a dangerous guy standing and on the ground. He's not impervious, but he's a killer and his technical game has evolved greatly.
Cain had a very good grind going, which wore out Werdum early on. Maybe he was concerned about the big knees or the clinch defense of Werdum, but he abandoned it. When Werdum caught Cain's knee and dumped him, I was in shock. That might have something to do with Cain switching the grind to stand up. His stand up was fine when he moved around, but after eating those nasty shots from Werdum, that all changed.
Cain had gone for several takedowns in the fight. The one he got on Werdum before the end was excellent, unfortunately he got caught but it wasn't unforeseeable. The guillotine finish was nasty. I've had a guillotine pulled on me numerous times and only finished a handful of times. Cain has probably seen guillotines from the best, and probably has never been finished in that position. He probably knew the risk, but figured he could escape and apply some vicious gnp.
I imagine the torque that Werdum was applying must have been intense for Cain to tap so quickly. I've had my adam's apple crushed so bad that I had a sore throat similar to strep for a week, but didn't tap. My voice sounded like I was going through puberty too, it's effed. But usually a guillotine is survivable. Not at Werdum's level.. he's a killer. It was a legit win, and if Cain faces him again, which I believe he will.. he won't make that mistake again.
Talking about nasty guillotines.. Jacare is also another Brazilian legit world champ you don't want to mess with on the ground. It's bullshit that they gave Rockhold the shot at Weidman, when it was rightfully Jacare's shot. Jacare's guillotine finish on Mousasi is one of the best I've seen (other than Bone's standing finish on Machida). It's such an easy submission, but difficult one to execute on top guys.
Cains not going to admit the altitude killed him because that's a bitch move and hes not a bitch
He hit werdum with some big shots too, werdum never looked like he was exhausted. There's was probably some rust to his competition game but ultimately it was his lack if conditioning of his body to his environment that killed his chances in that fight.
Cains not going to admit the altitude killed him because that's a bitch move and hes not a bitch
He hit werdum with some big shots too, werdum never looked like he was exhausted. There's was probably some rust to his competition game but ultimately it was his lack if conditioning of his body to his environment that killed his chances in that fight.
Are you kidding.. he barely made it to his corner after the 1st round. Werdum was tired, but slowed down his pace and utilized his jab effectively in the 2nd. Cain made him scramble in the first, which took it's toll.
Altitude effected everyone equally, it's not an excuse. Werdum didn't win because Cain was gassed, he won because he's a fucking badass.
Watch the fight again. Werdum attempted the guillotine on a few occasions and Cain's camp kept calling for the takedowns. The takedown wasn't out of desperation because he was gassed.. he just got caught.
Here's a clip of round 1.. that lethargic stand up from Werdum is tell-tale how tired he was. He went straight to clinch with Cain after and tried to recover for the most part, didn't even try a knee. I forgot how busted up Cain was after the first.. he took a beating.
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