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Old 07-07-2016, 03:51 PM
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Powerlifting isn't a great regimen to do right before a fight. It's great for off season conditioning and to build a great foundation of strength. Body gets too beat up powerlifting. For example, Giancarlo Stanton said in an article, there's no way he could train legs regularly during the season with the grind of a long baseball season. He needs to focus on his technique, cardio, not so much strength. You don't need to be powerlifting to take PED's.
Most good fighters don't do much lifting in general, power or otherwise. The fight game is won with fight specific muscles. Ali and Foreman's bodies weren't built with dead weights, they were built from punching bags. Lifting heavy inanimate objects prepares you to be good at lifting big heavy inanimate objects, punching and kicking things hard makes you good at punching and kicking hard.

Weight training is specifically to pack in muscle, it does nothing to actually train those muscle for their intended use.

But back to JBJ, I almost want to believe it's a mistake (and my record on this thread proves I'm no JBJ fan). Is he really that stupid? Plus the test was from 3 weeks ago, he's had 8 clean tests between his last fight and his failed test. Why cheat now so close to the actual fight when you absolutely know testing is coming? False positives can happen, they do have a "b" sample to test but there's no time to do it before the event so they had to call it.

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I think JBJ's nutrition/supp guy might have dropped the ball on this. But seriously why do you take BS supps (most of them either have drugs or don't work) and not know what's in it.
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Well, I'm a sucker and yes, he really is that stupid.

JBJ's "b" sample has been tested and confirmed the results from the "a" sample. He's tested positive for not one but two banned substances. What-a-fucking-dumbass.
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But...

Looking forward to tonight anyway, the past 2 nights have been awesome, Joanna Jedrychychyzychk was very impressive with her defense last night. Tonight has a stacked line up but all admit, I'm most excited for hunt vs lesner.

Time to crawl out of my hammock and go watch the early prelims
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Anderson Silva Vs DC fight was weak DC kept getting on top of Silva that's all him and his big ass
Old 07-09-2016, 11:16 PM
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Originally Posted by DIZAZNDOOD320
Anderson Silva Vs DC fight was weak DC kept getting on top of Silva that's all him and his big ass


dc was thankful for the payday, wanted to win, but felt bad about beating an old man up
Old 07-09-2016, 11:24 PM
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dc was thankful for the payday, wanted to win, but felt bad about beating an old man up
DC is overrated IMO but anyways Brock looks better then ever
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nvm he looks exhausted
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He looks roided.
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And I'm not saying i like dc, I just think he can beat a 2 days notice spider on a full JBJ camp
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Originally Posted by black label
He looks roided.
Imagine that...

Brock Lesnar, UFC notified of potential anti-doping violation
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I'm shocked.
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Originally Posted by Yumcha
I'm shocked.
What is shocking is how many MMA pros tweeted out Nate Diaz' words from his post McGregor fight. "I'm not surprised motherfuckers."
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So, didn't Hunt also fight Silva...? And Silva was a cheat too?
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Originally Posted by Yumcha
So, didn't Hunt also fight Silva...? And Silva was a cheat too?
He's fought three 265 lbs cheaters in the UFC, Mir, Silva, and Lesnar.
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He's fought three 265 lbs cheaters in the UFC, Mir, Silva, and Lesnar.
Wow. I can see why he'd be bitter and for his rant the other day then.
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Originally Posted by Yumcha
Wow. I can see why he'd be bitter and for his rant the other day then.
The big issue in my mind is no one knows the sequence of events.

Mark Hunt absolutely agreed to fight Lesnar. Did he know that Brock had been granted an exemption from the 4 month testing requirement for fighters coming out of retirement? In terms of news breaking, the fight was announced and several days later it was made public that Brock was granted the exemption.

If Hunt knew Brock was being granted the exemption before he signed up, he has less right to be pissed off (he still can be but some of it is on him). If he didn't know that piece then he was deceived and got totally screwed over by his bosses and in the case of UFC heavyweights, his life was absolutely put at risk. PED's in most sports are just cheating, in he UFC it's practically criminal.
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And now we find out Brock failed his "in competition" tests as well. Mark Hunt got screwed, I'm hoping he gets paid for this and Brock gets little to nothing. A guy coming back to the UFC and cheating his way through his camp right up to fight night does not deserve a 2.5 million payday plus a percentage of PPV buys.
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I wonder if my bets would change but I guess they won't since they wont change the result. Years ago I bet a huge underdog who got their ass kicked bad. Well I woke up to a big pay day and was like WTF. He won because the guy destroying him started dropping elbows from 12 to 6 which I did not realize were outlawed. This was way back when and even the announcers did not say anything.
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Mendes suspended for well, being a cheat: UFC contender Mendes suspended for doping - Article - TSN
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Brock Lesnar: How Things Got Worse for the Fighter

Oh, Broccoli...should've stayed in wrastling...

Things have suddenly gone from bad to worse for Brock Lesnar and the doping saga surrounding his surprise return to the UFC earlier this month for UFC 200.

Lesnar, a UFC Heavyweight and current WWE superstar, has beennailed with a second U.S. Anti-Doping Agency (USADA) anti-doping violation stemming from his return to the Octagon after nearly five years against Mark Hunt at UFC 200.

The difference this time, however, is that Lesnar's (6-3 MMA, 5-3 UFC) second positive test sample was collected in-competition on the night of his UFC 200 bout with Hunt (12-11-1, 7-5-1), which he won by unanimous decision courtesy of some key takedowns and pain-inflicting punches.

Lesnar's first failed test, which was revealed on Friday night, was collected out-of-competition on June 28. The results weren't processed and confirmed until after the July 9 event, though, which means Lesnar couldn't be pulled from the card ahead of time similar to the way interim UFC Light Heavyweight champ Jon Jones was yanked from the original UFC 200 headliner against Daniel Cormier just three days prior to the event when he was flagged with a potential USADA anti-doping violation of his own.

According to multiple reports from ESPN and the L.A. Times, both of Lesnar's positive tests came up for one of the same substances as Jones. That substance was clomiphene, an estrogen blocker that can remain in the system for roughly one month following use. A UFC official as well as a USADA official were unable to confirm the accuracy of those reports when contacted by Rolling Stone. Policy states comment cannot be made on the specifics of the substance until after the adjudication process is complete or the athlete speaks publicly on the matter.

Clomiphene is classified as a performance enhancing substance and is banned both in-and out-of-competition The substance is often used simultaneously with other performance-enhancers and can be beneficial in the restart of natural testosterone production.

Lesnar, 39, released a short statement to the Associated Pressafter the first test declaring he would, "get to the bottom of this." His camp declined to comment on the recent development when contacted by Rolling Stone.

Lesnar might be in hot water when it comes to his MMA career, but in regards to his future as a wrestler for WWE, his situation appears far less bleak. WWE released a brief comment in the hours following news of Lesnar's first test failure, stating that Lesnar's has not performed for the organization since April's WrestleMania 32 event and is not slated to return until a August 21st showdown with Randy Orton at SummerSlam in Brooklyn, N.Y.

What's more is the fact Lesnar was featured as a top pick on Tuesday's WWE Draft, going as the No. 8 pick to the RAW brand. The draft took place after news of Lesnar's second failure broke but no mention of the situation was made either via comment from WWE or on the broadcast. In addition, the matchup with Orton was mentioned on multiple occasions and will seemingly go on uninterrupted.

Whether WWE chooses do address or take action against Lesnar for his second failed test in a 13-day span is unknown. It's a bad look for the company, though, because WWE takes much pride in its Talent Wellness Program, which apparently tests for banned substances. Lesnar failed two tests in a roughly five-week window under the jurisdiction of USADA, however, which raises questions about the quality of WWE's program.

Lesnar has been the subject of steroid accusations dating back to his collegiate wrestling career, first WWE stint in the early 2000s, original UFC stint in the late 2000s and all the time in between. He famously responded to those allegations prior to UFC 200, claiming, "I'm a white boy and I'm jacked – deal with it."

Nevertheless, Lesnar is in a much trickier situation than he was just a few days ago. One positive test is a challenge to overcome both scientifically and in the public eye. Two tests, however, and for the same substance no less, renders almost all excuses meaningless.

Hunt, who pointed to Lesnar as "juiced to the gills" prior to UFC 200 and originally called for the UFC to turn over the entirety of Lesnar'srecord $2.5 million fight purse to him after news of the first positive test, reacted furiously to the most recent development. Hunt lashed out at the UFC and called for a fighter's association to help serve and protect the best interests of the athletes.

"The way I see it, the Brock Lesnar doping thing is just another reason why we need a fighter's association," Hunt told his website,MarkHunt.tv "These guys have lined their pockets with our blood if you ask me. I mean they deserve to get paid no doubt, they took the UFC from nothing into what it is today, but come on, most of the guys fighting, get paid nothing and have no benefits."

"If you ask me there needs to be a system where they at least run things past the fighters before making these decisions and the fighters can look out for each other. We need an association where we can have our voices heard. We are massive reason why fans watch the sport and we risk our health to do it."

Where the situation goes from here remains to be seen. Lesnar is still entitled to due process before anything else, but with multiple failed tests now held against him, the ultimate outcome is almost certain the be grim.

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So, this should be the end of the Cheat Incarnate's MMA career...I think the WWE will suspend him too since they also have an anti-doping policy?
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I just don't see how he can collect any money from the UFC, it's pretty obvious that he didn't respect the rules of the organization.
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LMFAOOOOOO WWE is about as clean as my asshole after smashing a pan of lasagna. 39 years old looking like that, oh Brock you funny man. USADA cleaning up
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I'm still excited for USADA 201 as well as the McGregor/Diaz rematch at USADA 202.
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They're going to run out of fighters. Let's meet in the octogon!!!
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UFC 202 was amazing!
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horrees shit this thread is dead..

If you missed UFC 206, you suck..
Fucking Cub and Dooho fight was fucking bananas.. instant classic, one of the best fights ever, def best fight of the year.
Whole card was fucking great..

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Great article.. 'bout the lil homie from the other homie..
He's gotten a big fucking head since he started.. early days with God's Army training with Colin, he was kinda snobby but now he's talking trash like it's going out of style..
First he asked Aldo if they found the vaccine for being a pussy.. now he's calling him where's Jose Waldo...
Anyways.. I liked him when he was humble.. hopefully his mouth doesn't write a check his ass can't cash..
The fight is booked.. we'll see if Aldo shows.

Opinion: A Fighter Forged from Conflict

You’ve probably never been to Waianae, Hawaii. Though it is only 30 miles west of Waikiki, they are worlds apart. With a population of around 13,000, there are more tourists on the island on any given day than people who actually live in Waianae. A little more than 8,000 of its residents are of Native Hawaiian ancestry -- which is not the same as simply being from Hawaii -- making Waianae one of the most Hawaiian places on the island. The ethnic composition of the area is a small but important part of its reputation.

At the heart of the ahupuaʻa, or land division, since Waianae can hardly be called a city, is the high school. Waianae High School has held the dubious distinction of having the highest dropout rate in the state for over a decade. Around 30 percent of the students drop out, and nearly all of them are male; graduating classes are around 85 percent female. Of the students who stay enrolled, 70 percent of them qualify for free or reduced lunch assistance. Nearly 30 percent of the population lives under the poverty line, a reality exacerbated by rampant drug abuse, particularly crystal meth. Waianae is home to the oldest and largest encampments of homeless people in the state.

There are a lot of tough, rugged places in Hawaii, but none like Waianae. To represent the hot, dry side of Oahu is a well-understood shorthand in the islands for “don’t [expletive] with me.” To know Waianae is to understand newly crowned interim Ultimate Fighting Championship featherweight titleholder Max Holloway.

If you search “Waianae” on YouTube, most of the first-page results will be some kind of fight. This includes several of the riots that took place at Waianae High School, many of which happened while Holloway was an upperclassman. Police presence and lockdowns are not uncommon or unheard of. When asked about having a hypothetical rematch with Conor McGregor in Hawaii, there’s a reason why Holloway said: “[The UFC] better get a load of security guards.”

I remember watching a football game between my hometown’s high school team and Nanakuli, a school close to Waianae but within the same ahupuaʻa, where a fight broke out at the scrimmage line and resulted in benches and bleachers clearing for an all-out brawl on the field. Amidst the screams of “chee-hoo” and general noise of people punching and getting punched, an anonymous battle cry punctured through: “Waianae What’s Up!” It’s the Hawaii equivalent of Tupac’s famous “Riverside mother [expletive]!”

You’ve probably never been to Waianae, and there’s a reason for that. It’s a place of both great pride and great problems, where the natural beauty is at odds with human pain. It’s exactly the type of place that breeds the kind of fighter and person that Holloway is.

Holloway is as tough as the town he comes from. Before “Blessed” tore through 10 straight opponents and became the first man to finish Pettis, perhaps his biggest claim to fame was being the only man to last 15 minutes in the cage with McGregor. That was when Holloway was 21 years old and just three years into his professional career. The same left hands that wilted Philadelphia’s finest and Brazil’s best, the same timing, power and speed that dropped Stockton, California’s grittiest, barely fazed the kid from Waianae. That says a lot about the type of mental fortitude and physical durability Holloway possesses.

There’s more. The most refreshing part about Holloway’s win was his post-fight responses to potential showdowns with McGregor and Jose Aldo. While most fighters are understandably happy to wait for money fights and title shots, Holloway isn’t about that: “I don’t believe in guys waiting for title shots … I believe I’m the best damn guy in the world. If I gotta defend [the interim belt] 10 times before I get the real thing, that’s what I’m gonna do.” Holloway understands what this game is: getting in the cage and fighting people. Belts and titles are great but ultimately ornamental. His goal is to be the best, and to be the best you have to prove it in every fight. He continues to carry the always-ready-to-throw-down mentality that growing up in Waianae more or less requires. If you need an in-fight example of what this mentality looks like, fast forward to the last 10 seconds of Holloway’s win over Ricardo Lamas.

Yet, the most inspirational aspect to Holloway’s MMA ascension is the fact that he still lives and trains locally. Every other Hawaii-born fighter has moved to the mainland at some point, believing the conventional wisdom that whatever Hawaii has to offer does not compare to the opportunities in the continental United States. That idea is basically true, in MMA and everything else; Hawaii is too small to host upper-crust talent, let alone develop it. Holloway doesn’t buy into that, and his current run proves that where a fighter comes from has as much, if not more, to do with success than where a fighter trains. What’s inside the man is more important than what surrounds him. Being an everyday local is a large part of his appeal; everyone from Hawaii knows someone like Holloway, even though there’s no one quite like him.

All of these things are vital and powerful ideas to understand, but there’s a more immediate reason why I tend to loosen the grips of whatever journalistic integrity I have when it comes to Holloway. His influence in the islands is not a matter statistical contrast between the state of his hometown and his success as a professional fighter. His influence is not theoretical or abstract. It’s real and palpable.

Before I moved to Korea, I was a public school teacher in the central district of Oahu, in between my hometown and Holloway’s. I taught the “troubled” kids -- kids from broken and impoverished homes, where lessons frequently digressed into sales pitches on the benefits of not going to jail. My students got in fights, stole cars, did drugs and drank on campus and ran away from their homes.

One of those kids was Jonah, a rough-and-tumble dude who, as an eighth grader, dwarfed me and most of his other teachers. He was a beast of an athlete and quick to get physical with anyone and everyone. He was recruited to play for one of the top high school football teams in the state, and I encouraged him to do so as a positive outlet and potential path to a higher education. However, he wasn’t interested. Instead, he wanted to be a professional fighter. He wanted to be “the next Max Holloway.” His mom was hesitant, but when she gave in to his wishes to train at a nearby MMA gym instead of play football, there was a night-and-day difference in his demeanor. He was less agitated, less aggressive and more willing to do his work and study. This speaks to the potential benefits of martial arts in general, but in a place where wild scrapping is more common and preferable to disciplined practice, it speaks to the positive gravity that Holloway has among young people across Hawaii. He’s genuine and real and motivated by the realities of island life he knows better than anyone.

Hawaii is a place birthed from conflict. Underwater volcanoes cracked the seafloor spewing magmatic heat that fought against the cold, immovable ocean for millions of years until it pierced open air. Plants and animals fought against the barren landscape to take root and form a pullulating oasis. Seafaring Polynesians fought against the wild and unpredictable expanse of the Pacific to build civilization, united through conflict with each other and later threatened to the edge of extinction by conflict with colonial cultures. Growing up in Waianae, a place riddled with social ills and commonplace physical conflicts, Holloway has harnessed all of it -- the good, the bad and the ugly -- to become a UFC champion. More importantly, he has emerged from it all as a force of positivity and inspiration for people who need it most.
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My BFF from Waianae.. beautiful.. don't go, locals only.

There was a guy who just moved to Oahu to do his masters at Univ of Hawaii (int'l student). He went to Makaha or Waianae and was taking pictures on the beach.
Some moke local kid confronted him for being a haole and being on the westside. One punch.. never woke up. Sad.. But it's fucking rough as fuck over there.

Here's a vid of Max rolling with God's Army before he made a name for himself. See if you can spot him.
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Post a link to that vid. Laziness
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Brah.. a highlight won't do it justice.. must watch. Lazy
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No man give me the full fight link. And yes I'm lazy
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206 was nuts so many good fights

Swanson/Choi was insane I dunno if it was fight of the year like Rogan said but yea, he always gets super hyped in the moment lol
Choi got a chin, Swanson got a chin too but damn Choi got a chin!

Cowboy vs Brown was great also, Cowboy did the stanky leg and then came back with the headkick walk off ko, sick haha
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What a TomBradyBelicheatPatriot... @ Lesnar...

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Was he actually back in MMA?
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For UFC 200.. this is just the final fallout.
That fine should go to Mark Hunt
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I'm on team Ronda but damn.. everyone in the fucking team has been telling her and hapa to get off Edmund's dick.
She learned absolutely nothing from defeat.. sad..

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Awwright Rhonda went down pretty easily this time. I heard she got paid 3 million whereas Nunes only got 200k. No justice With that kind of money why bother training?

btw lets see how long this stays up:

https://stationfy.com/ufc207/k5jj


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