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#4321
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Originally Posted by wstevens
Come on Jonesi, you have to admit - Crosby, while phenomenal, plays like a pussy sometimes. Every once in a while you can tell he's intimidated by more physical players.
I'll be the first to tell you when he does that shit.. I've never claimed him to be above and beyond anyone.. I'm optimistic when it comes to the Steelers every year and the same way with hockey and players..
And even though they fucking suck donkey balls I haven't missed a game yet..
Personally skill wise I like Ovechicken..
But I think Crosby has more vision and passing ability.
And honestly their styles are different and I don't think you can compare the two..
#4322
Senior Moderator
Originally Posted by wstevens
He'll probably shake that off as he gets more accustomed to the league. He's lucky this isn't the old NHL.
He is Alot more physical then what you are portraying..
#4323
Interesting. Interesting.
Originally Posted by Jonesi
And honestly their styles are different and I don't think you can compare the two..
I agree with that.
You know I just like to talk shit
#4324
Senior Moderator
@ Ovechicken...
#4325
Senior Moderator
Originally Posted by wstevens
I agree with that.
Well shit you got the Nationals, the Caps and Redskins.. You got to do something to keep the seasons somewhat interesting...
#4326
Interesting. Interesting.
Originally Posted by Jonesi
Well shit you got the Nationals, the Caps and Redskins.. You got to do something to keep the seasons somewhat interesting...
True. At least I'm not a fair-weather fan.
#4328
Senior Moderator
Originally Posted by Jonesi
Yea, he's got Ovechicken and Kovalchicken on his fantasy teams..
#4329
Interesting. Interesting.
Originally Posted by Yumchah
Ohhhhh...hence your bitterness towards Ovie...Is Bugs beating you points-wise with his two picks?
poor Jonesi is almost in last place, and I am almost in first place.
Mostly due to my crafty trades.
#4331
Senior Moderator
And Tim Thomas is going for another shutout today..
On a side note: The last time I checked the top two leading scorers in the Russian Super League are:
1) Malkin
2) Morozov
On a side note: The last time I checked the top two leading scorers in the Russian Super League are:
1) Malkin
2) Morozov
#4332
Senior Moderator
Originally Posted by Jonesi
fixed.
#4333
Senior Moderator
Originally Posted by Yumchah
Ohhhhh...hence your bitterness towards Ovie...Is Bugs beating you points-wise with his two picks?
The focker got Ovechicken and Kovalchicken...
FOR Lindros and Kariya He didn't draft anybody.. He was in last place (excluding Dom) for the first 6 weeks til the trade..
Hence my bitterness..
#4335
Senior Moderator
And of course Jonesi has Crosby on his team.. He got yelled at for drafting him in like the 7th round.. lol.. Now if only Ovechicken was on the Yahoo! board..
#4337
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Originally Posted by Jonesi
jinx.
#4338
Interesting. Interesting.
Originally Posted by Jonesi
fixed.
All I did was take advantage of someone whose head isn't screwed on right (and doesn't much care about his team).
You, on the other hand, had to suck dom off to get Alfredson from him.
#4340
The sizzle in the Steak
Ending Hockey's Biggest Fight
By Matthew Boyle
By Matthew Boyle
(FORTUNE Magazine) - Gary Bettman, commissioner of the National Hockey League, is breathing easier. After a bitter lockout that earned the NHL dubious distinction as the only professional sports league to lose an entire season to a labor dispute, the puck finally dropped on the 88th season last October. New rules like overtime shootouts have captured attention, but it was the changes to the league's business model--capping salaries, sharing revenue--that have indelibly altered the game and improved its profitability. FORTUNE's Matthew Boyle talked with Bettman about hockey's return--and its wired, ubiquitous future.
How is the NHL's reinvention playing out?
The new collective-bargaining agreement means we have control over our largest cost, player salaries. We now pay 54% of our revenue to players and not a penny more. We were at 75%. There's a salary cap [$39 million] and revenue sharing. As a result, all our teams can afford to be competitive. And that competitive balance has enhanced the product that we put out on the ice.
How badly did the lockout hurt hockey?
Based on the vital signs we're seeing, the rebound has been extremely strong. I attribute that to our fans. Our fans knew what we were doing, and they stood by us.
How are those vital signs?
We're fairly certain that revenues will equal if not exceed what we did in 2003--04, which means more than $2 billion. We'll turn a meaningful profit. Before, we were losing almost $300 million a year. We're also likely to set an attendance record. Ratings for Hockey Night in Canada are up over 20%. Our U.S. regional ratings are up over 30%.
What about U.S. national TV? You're now on Comcast's Outdoor Life Network, which has a smaller audience than your ex-partner ESPN, and you're getting no rights fees from NBC.
Instead of being one of many on ESPN, we needed a partner that valued us as much as we valued us, and we're getting that with Comcast. OLN is a work in progress, and NBC had a magnificent first broadcast. The overnight ratings came in at a 1.5 audience share, and NBA is in the low 2's now. So that isn't bad.
Are there still clubs in the red?
Yes. To have expected every club to get healthy immediately would be too high an expectation. I do expect over the next couple years that all our clubs will break even, if not make money.
How's the NHL using technology?
We're providing video on demand to Comcast. We're also in talks with Apple to do video highlights on iPods. And we're starting an NHL TV Network in the U.S. next fall. We already have a network up in Canada. It will be 24/7 hockey--highlights, features, and old games.
How is the NHL's reinvention playing out?
The new collective-bargaining agreement means we have control over our largest cost, player salaries. We now pay 54% of our revenue to players and not a penny more. We were at 75%. There's a salary cap [$39 million] and revenue sharing. As a result, all our teams can afford to be competitive. And that competitive balance has enhanced the product that we put out on the ice.
How badly did the lockout hurt hockey?
Based on the vital signs we're seeing, the rebound has been extremely strong. I attribute that to our fans. Our fans knew what we were doing, and they stood by us.
How are those vital signs?
We're fairly certain that revenues will equal if not exceed what we did in 2003--04, which means more than $2 billion. We'll turn a meaningful profit. Before, we were losing almost $300 million a year. We're also likely to set an attendance record. Ratings for Hockey Night in Canada are up over 20%. Our U.S. regional ratings are up over 30%.
What about U.S. national TV? You're now on Comcast's Outdoor Life Network, which has a smaller audience than your ex-partner ESPN, and you're getting no rights fees from NBC.
Instead of being one of many on ESPN, we needed a partner that valued us as much as we valued us, and we're getting that with Comcast. OLN is a work in progress, and NBC had a magnificent first broadcast. The overnight ratings came in at a 1.5 audience share, and NBA is in the low 2's now. So that isn't bad.
Are there still clubs in the red?
Yes. To have expected every club to get healthy immediately would be too high an expectation. I do expect over the next couple years that all our clubs will break even, if not make money.
How's the NHL using technology?
We're providing video on demand to Comcast. We're also in talks with Apple to do video highlights on iPods. And we're starting an NHL TV Network in the U.S. next fall. We already have a network up in Canada. It will be 24/7 hockey--highlights, features, and old games.
#4342
Lola
Oh my, I didn't see it coming...
Sports Gambling Ring Busted in NJ
Sports Gambling Ring Busted in NJ
EWING, NJ-February 7, 2006 - New Jersey authorities said Tuesday they had busted a nationwide sports gambling ring financed by an NHL coach and run in part by a state police trooper.
Wayne Gretzky's wife and about a half-dozen NHL players placed bets - but not on hockey - with a nationwide sports gambling ring financed by Phoenix Coyotes assistant coach Rick Tocchet, authorities said Tuesday.
Gretzky, hockey's greatest player, is in his first season coaching the Coyotes and is a part-owner of the team.
Actress-wife Janet Jones was among those implicated, two law enforcement officials told The Associated Press, speaking on condition of anonymity because no bettors have been publicly identified.
State police Col. Rick Fuentes said an investigation into the New Jersey-based ring discovered the processing of more than 1,000 wagers, exceeding $1.7 million, on professional and college sports, mostly football and basketball.
The developments came at a sensitive time for the NHL, which is trying to win back fans after a season-long lockout and just days before many of its best players will showcase their talent at the Turin Olympics.
Tocchet was served with a criminal complaint Monday and was expected to travel from his Arizona home to answer charges of promoting gambling, money laundering and conspiracy, Fuentes said.
"It's not a hockey-related issue, it's a football thing. And at this time I can't comment any further," Tocchet said after the Coyotes practiced Tuesday.
Gretzky said Tocchet would be on the bench for Tuesday night's home game against Chicago, and it would be "business as usual."
"Everyone in the world is innocent until proven guilty," Gretzky said. "He's a great guy and a good friend. He's just going through a tough time right now, obviously, and we've got to let it run its course. It's a situation that's obviously a concern for the organization at this point."
Gretzky did not comment about his wife, and did not return a call from the AP.
Tocchet acknowledged that a New Jersey state trooper arrested in connection with the gambling ring case is his friend. Tocchet said he would cooperate with the investigation but didn't answer when asked if he'd surrender to authorities.
"We understand that Mr. Tocchet's conduct in no way involved betting on hockey," NHL deputy commissioner Bill Daly said. "And, while betting on football or other sports may be the pervasive issue, it in no way justifies poor judgment or otherwise alleged inappropriate conduct."
Authorities said Tocchet and state police Trooper James Harney were partners in the operation, with the ex-NHL forward providing the financing.
"Tocchet received illegal sports bets from wagers and funneled money back to New Jersey," Fuentes said.
Tocchet, one of three associate coaches on the Coyotes' staff, took over the head coaching duties for 10 days in December while Gretzky was with his dying mother.
The 41-year-old Tocchet played 18 years with six teams, including three seasons with the Coyotes from 1997-00. He is one of only two players in NHL history to collect 400 goals and 2,000 penalty minutes.
Tocchet was a fan favorite during his two stints with the Flyers (1984-92, 2000-02). Flyers star center Peter Forsberg on Tuesday described Tocchet as "a good guy, a funny guy."
"I think everybody is surprised," Forsberg said. "It's definitely not good for the sport to hear something like that."
Flyers forward Simon Gagne played briefly with Tocchet in Philadelphia and called him "one of the best guys I knew."
Harney, 40, was arrested Monday and has been suspended from the force. The eight-year police veteran was charged in an arrest warrant with official misconduct, promoting gambling, money laundering and conspiracy. Another man accused of taking bets is James Ulmer, 40, who was charged with promoting gambling, money laundering and conspiracy.
Both men were free after posting 10 percent of their bail. Harney had $100,000 bail; Ulmer had $50,000 bail. The two men were expected to be arraigned in state Superior Court in Burlington County within two weeks.
Craig Mitnick, a Haddonfield attorney representing Harney, described his client as a "good, hardworking, law enforcement officer." He said he thought the charges against his client were exaggerated. Authorities' descriptions of Harney having a lavish lifestyle were false, Mitnick said.
"He's a great guy and if he has a problem with gambling, we'll take care of that," Mitnick said.
Mitnick said Harney hadn't decided whether to contest the charges in court.
The police investigation into the ring started in October 2005 after authorities received a tip on Harney's sports wagering from his Marlton home, and taking phone calls during his patrol job based out of the agency's Moorestown station, Fuentes said.
Fuentes did not disclose the bettors' names and said charges against more individuals were possible. He described one of them as a "movie celebrity."
The gambling ring had a connection with organized crime in Philadelphia and southern New Jersey, Fuentes said.
Starting Monday night, authorities seized property from Harney and Ulmer. State police seized $27,000 in currency, "voluminous" amounts of sports betting information and bank accounts worth hundreds of thousands of dollars, Fuentes said.
A search of Harney's house recovered more than $250,000 worth of Rolex watches and nine plasma-screen televisions, including two from his bathroom.
In 1,144 NHL regular-season games, Tocchet had 440 goals, 512 assists and 2,972 penalty minutes with Philadelphia, Pittsburgh, Los Angeles, Boston, Washington and Phoenix. Tocchet won a Stanley Cup with the Pittsburgh Penguins in 1992 and appeared in the Stanley Cup finals with Philadelphia in 1987. He appeared in four NHL All-Star Games: 1989, 1990, 1991 and 1993.
The NHL veteran was also hired by the Colorado Avalanche as an assistant coach in 2003.
Wayne Gretzky's wife and about a half-dozen NHL players placed bets - but not on hockey - with a nationwide sports gambling ring financed by Phoenix Coyotes assistant coach Rick Tocchet, authorities said Tuesday.
Gretzky, hockey's greatest player, is in his first season coaching the Coyotes and is a part-owner of the team.
Actress-wife Janet Jones was among those implicated, two law enforcement officials told The Associated Press, speaking on condition of anonymity because no bettors have been publicly identified.
State police Col. Rick Fuentes said an investigation into the New Jersey-based ring discovered the processing of more than 1,000 wagers, exceeding $1.7 million, on professional and college sports, mostly football and basketball.
The developments came at a sensitive time for the NHL, which is trying to win back fans after a season-long lockout and just days before many of its best players will showcase their talent at the Turin Olympics.
Tocchet was served with a criminal complaint Monday and was expected to travel from his Arizona home to answer charges of promoting gambling, money laundering and conspiracy, Fuentes said.
"It's not a hockey-related issue, it's a football thing. And at this time I can't comment any further," Tocchet said after the Coyotes practiced Tuesday.
Gretzky said Tocchet would be on the bench for Tuesday night's home game against Chicago, and it would be "business as usual."
"Everyone in the world is innocent until proven guilty," Gretzky said. "He's a great guy and a good friend. He's just going through a tough time right now, obviously, and we've got to let it run its course. It's a situation that's obviously a concern for the organization at this point."
Gretzky did not comment about his wife, and did not return a call from the AP.
Tocchet acknowledged that a New Jersey state trooper arrested in connection with the gambling ring case is his friend. Tocchet said he would cooperate with the investigation but didn't answer when asked if he'd surrender to authorities.
"We understand that Mr. Tocchet's conduct in no way involved betting on hockey," NHL deputy commissioner Bill Daly said. "And, while betting on football or other sports may be the pervasive issue, it in no way justifies poor judgment or otherwise alleged inappropriate conduct."
Authorities said Tocchet and state police Trooper James Harney were partners in the operation, with the ex-NHL forward providing the financing.
"Tocchet received illegal sports bets from wagers and funneled money back to New Jersey," Fuentes said.
Tocchet, one of three associate coaches on the Coyotes' staff, took over the head coaching duties for 10 days in December while Gretzky was with his dying mother.
The 41-year-old Tocchet played 18 years with six teams, including three seasons with the Coyotes from 1997-00. He is one of only two players in NHL history to collect 400 goals and 2,000 penalty minutes.
Tocchet was a fan favorite during his two stints with the Flyers (1984-92, 2000-02). Flyers star center Peter Forsberg on Tuesday described Tocchet as "a good guy, a funny guy."
"I think everybody is surprised," Forsberg said. "It's definitely not good for the sport to hear something like that."
Flyers forward Simon Gagne played briefly with Tocchet in Philadelphia and called him "one of the best guys I knew."
Harney, 40, was arrested Monday and has been suspended from the force. The eight-year police veteran was charged in an arrest warrant with official misconduct, promoting gambling, money laundering and conspiracy. Another man accused of taking bets is James Ulmer, 40, who was charged with promoting gambling, money laundering and conspiracy.
Both men were free after posting 10 percent of their bail. Harney had $100,000 bail; Ulmer had $50,000 bail. The two men were expected to be arraigned in state Superior Court in Burlington County within two weeks.
Craig Mitnick, a Haddonfield attorney representing Harney, described his client as a "good, hardworking, law enforcement officer." He said he thought the charges against his client were exaggerated. Authorities' descriptions of Harney having a lavish lifestyle were false, Mitnick said.
"He's a great guy and if he has a problem with gambling, we'll take care of that," Mitnick said.
Mitnick said Harney hadn't decided whether to contest the charges in court.
The police investigation into the ring started in October 2005 after authorities received a tip on Harney's sports wagering from his Marlton home, and taking phone calls during his patrol job based out of the agency's Moorestown station, Fuentes said.
Fuentes did not disclose the bettors' names and said charges against more individuals were possible. He described one of them as a "movie celebrity."
The gambling ring had a connection with organized crime in Philadelphia and southern New Jersey, Fuentes said.
Starting Monday night, authorities seized property from Harney and Ulmer. State police seized $27,000 in currency, "voluminous" amounts of sports betting information and bank accounts worth hundreds of thousands of dollars, Fuentes said.
A search of Harney's house recovered more than $250,000 worth of Rolex watches and nine plasma-screen televisions, including two from his bathroom.
In 1,144 NHL regular-season games, Tocchet had 440 goals, 512 assists and 2,972 penalty minutes with Philadelphia, Pittsburgh, Los Angeles, Boston, Washington and Phoenix. Tocchet won a Stanley Cup with the Pittsburgh Penguins in 1992 and appeared in the Stanley Cup finals with Philadelphia in 1987. He appeared in four NHL All-Star Games: 1989, 1990, 1991 and 1993.
The NHL veteran was also hired by the Colorado Avalanche as an assistant coach in 2003.
#4343
The sizzle in the Steak
She be in trouble...and maybe Wayne too
#4346
Senior Moderator
Originally Posted by dom
Fawk she's still hot.
How could Gretzky not possibly be involved somehow. He claims he doesn't gamble and his wife is her own person. But come on. He knew WTF was going on.
How could Gretzky not possibly be involved somehow. He claims he doesn't gamble and his wife is her own person. But come on. He knew WTF was going on.
Ya, for sure he knew. But who gives a shit...havent we all bet on sports at one time or another. Big freaking deal.
#4347
Senior Moderator
Originally Posted by fdl
Ya, for sure he knew. But who gives a shit...havent we all bet on sports at one time or another. Big freaking deal.
Thats not the issue, at all. Its the money laundering, mail fraud, tax evasion etc I'm wondering about.
Mcowan had a NJ cop on yesterday and this goes deep. The case has now been handed over to the FBI.
#4348
Senior Moderator
Ya but Wayne and wifey arent charged with any of that I dont think. Just that they placed bets. As for "money launering" and "tax evasion" , ...well when you bet on sports do you pay taxes on the winnings? I think not. But of course thats illegal and a federal offence, hence the FBI's involvement.
Tocchet is the one who is in trouble here. I dont know exactly what he was running but it should be interesting to find out. I just dont think Wayne or his wife placing bet is all that big a deal.
Tocchet is the one who is in trouble here. I dont know exactly what he was running but it should be interesting to find out. I just dont think Wayne or his wife placing bet is all that big a deal.
#4349
Senior Moderator
Originally Posted by fdl
Tocchet is the one who is in trouble here. I dont know exactly what he was running but it should be interesting to find out. I just dont think Wayne or his wife placing bet is all that big a deal.
If thats all they did then no. But isn't it possible Wayne and Jane bankrolled the whole thing. I seriously doubt it but its possible.
The media has no morals. Did you see them trying to get an interview with Tocchets mom yesterday at her home. Poor little old lady, like she know's WTF is going on.
#4350
Senior Moderator
Originally Posted by dom
If thats all they did then no. But isn't it possible Wayne and Jane bankrolled the whole thing. I seriously doubt it but its possible.
The media has no morals. Did you see them trying to get an interview with Tocchets mom yesterday at her home. Poor little old lady, like she know's WTF is going on.
The media has no morals. Did you see them trying to get an interview with Tocchets mom yesterday at her home. Poor little old lady, like she know's WTF is going on.
ya. Crazy. My in-laws are good friends with that family and they are VERY nice, honest people (the parents, not sure about Ricky )
#4355
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Originally Posted by BstonBruin
Jonesi im sure your watching the Pens - B's game right now....B's are coming out looking pretty good so far
Yea the Pens have the same amount of shots as Ovechicken did last night - 10...
#4356
giggity giggity giggity
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Have CSN on now and watching the Sharks/Hawks game (don't ask me why b/c I don't know). Anyway, anyone see Calder's one-handed goal with 2 guys on his back?! on that goal.
#4358
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The Newark Star-Ledger reported Thursday morning that law enforcement sources told them that state wiretaps recorded Rick Tocchet and Wayne Gretzky allegedly discussing the multimillion dollar gambling operation before it was dismantled.
Like this was hard to see coming.
#4359
Senior Moderator
Originally Posted by BstonBruin
Just in...it was reported that Travis Green is likely a part of the gambling ring. Which I by the way find not be the biggest of deals.
On Thursday Boston Bruins' forward Travis Green was added to the list of names. Green is known to be a unabashed and successful poker player, and won $34,990 in a World Series of Poker no-limit hold 'em tournament last June, finishing 12th out of more than 2,000 players. He qualified for the Las Vegas event by winning $45,000 in an online tournament.
#4360
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Kewl. Now we can officially say Lemieux > Messier >>>>>>> Gretzky...cuz, 99's character is in question...