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My point is it is way too easy to blame the goalie. IMHO Emery was solid (annoyingly so) On Tuesday Emery played very well, yet everyone is saying he f00ked up.
I think he did his best and was let down by his team (thankfully)
When a goalie f00ks up he deserves the derision, Fleury played well & stopped most of too many shots, I feel sorry for him.
I think he did his best and was let down by his team (thankfully)
When a goalie f00ks up he deserves the derision, Fleury played well & stopped most of too many shots, I feel sorry for him.
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crosby no goals last 9 playoff games, malkin no goals last 8...don't think it's entirely the D fault. martin has 8 points in 4 games. everyone got caught watching the puck behind the net, 58/87 had their back to the slot on that GTG, that's just terrible hockey instincts. and wtf is fleury doing playing a puck with 30 seconds left? stay in the damn crease.
Yes, secondary scoring HELPS win series, but the Pens are so stacked up top, that it's expected that those guys contribute more than a couple assists. Going 0-6 on the power play for example, that lies on those 2 mainly. They put so much into their top 2 lines, that the lack of scoring is hurting them. Yes they had a 3 goal lead, but if Sid and or Malkin were contributing, they could have easily ran away with the game or extended that lead, instead they tried to protect the lead and let CBus hang around.
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Agreed, 3 goals should have been enough to win it. The problem is, once they got the lead, they backed off. Yes they didn't play well enough defensively, but they also backed off the offensive pressure
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Yes it does, however the main reason that CBus had so many shots was that the Pens were on the PK a lot in the second, cuz you know, the league favors them, and never calls any penalties on them
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You guys already had 3 goals. You didn't need more goals, more goals isn't defense. Until the Pens find out that "score more goals than they do" isn't a defensive concept, the only cups they'll have are the ones that protect them from Quenneville's hands and Lucic's stick.
Rangers need offense, they are defensively ok (usually)
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Pittsburgh coach Dan Bylsma said the Penguins did not ease up after going ahead 3-0 in the first 11:10 of the game on goals by Craig Adams, Chris Kunitz and James Neal.
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They also mention being on the PK too much in the second. They still had chances throughout, but they definitely didn't crash the net as much later in the game, or as many shots.
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I still can't agree how you're essentially saying it is the offense's fault for blowing the 3-0 lead.
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6 of those minutes were pretty much mandatory, a double minor for high sticking and then shooting the puck out, those aren't the penalties you can fake. It's not like the refs kept making questionable calls, these were obvious infractions.
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they DID ease up with 6-8 mins left all they were doing was dumping the puck in and killing the clock. at the 1:30 mark I said watch CBJ scores with like a minute left here, and bam looked what happened.
re: fleury. it's not about the shots you save, it's about the goals you give up. he should have stayed in the net with 30 seconds left. yes, I realize the forecheckers beat our D to the puck but you don't go wandering because sometimes the puck takes a bad bounce 1 in 10 times and look what happened.
re: fleury. it's not about the shots you save, it's about the goals you give up. he should have stayed in the net with 30 seconds left. yes, I realize the forecheckers beat our D to the puck but you don't go wandering because sometimes the puck takes a bad bounce 1 in 10 times and look what happened.
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crosby and malkin need to wake up and be leaders. two of the best players on the planet and they are getting shut down. the more they have the puck on their stick that's less time for columbus to counter attack. malkin has been invisible this series.
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97BlackAckCL (04-24-2014)
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Did any of you people actually see Columbus' 4th goal in OT?
Ya, then why is there a debate on who's fault this is?
Despite what Yumchah would have you believe, Good golatending is still required to win in the playoffs.
Fleury will be somewhere else next year and the Pens will be getting a fresh start between the pipes. What's sad is, 99% of the hockey world knew how this was going to end but Ray Shero did nothing about it.
Ray Shero and Honda mang. seem to have a lot in common.
Ya, then why is there a debate on who's fault this is?
Despite what Yumchah would have you believe, Good golatending is still required to win in the playoffs.
Fleury will be somewhere else next year and the Pens will be getting a fresh start between the pipes. What's sad is, 99% of the hockey world knew how this was going to end but Ray Shero did nothing about it.
Ray Shero and Honda mang. seem to have a lot in common.
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And don't worry Pens fans. Barry Trotz will be also be available to slide in there and steady the ship.
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Yeah, the OT goal was ugly, Fleury played 59 minutes of good hockey though.
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But since everyone wants to blame the D, let's look at our top D pairing
Martin, and Orpik. Both a +5 in the series, and have played very well as a whole.
Niskanen, Maata, and Scuderi are all -1 in 4 games, however Niskanen did lead the league in +/- this season, which is no small feat.
Letang is -3 in the series, has zero goals, zero points. To me, he's the weak link if you want to blame the D, the guy had a fawking stroke and shouldn't even be playing right now.
Kunitz, Neal, Crosby, and Letang, are a combined -11, not counting Malkin who has an even +/- . That right there is half our salary. Please tell me again how it's all the D
Martin, and Orpik. Both a +5 in the series, and have played very well as a whole.
Niskanen, Maata, and Scuderi are all -1 in 4 games, however Niskanen did lead the league in +/- this season, which is no small feat.
Letang is -3 in the series, has zero goals, zero points. To me, he's the weak link if you want to blame the D, the guy had a fawking stroke and shouldn't even be playing right now.
Kunitz, Neal, Crosby, and Letang, are a combined -11, not counting Malkin who has an even +/- . That right there is half our salary. Please tell me again how it's all the D
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But since everyone wants to blame the D, let's look at our top D pairing
Martin, and Orpik. Both a +5 in the series, and have played very well as a whole.
Niskanen, Maata, and Scuderi are all -1 in 4 games, however Niskanen did lead the league in +/- this season, which is no small feat.
Letang is -3 in the series, has zero goals, zero points. To me, he's the weak link if you want to blame the D, the guy had a fawking stroke and shouldn't even be playing right now.
Kunitz, Neal, Crosby, and Letang, are a combined -11, not counting Malkin who has an even +/- . That right there is half our salary. Please tell me again how it's all the D
Martin, and Orpik. Both a +5 in the series, and have played very well as a whole.
Niskanen, Maata, and Scuderi are all -1 in 4 games, however Niskanen did lead the league in +/- this season, which is no small feat.
Letang is -3 in the series, has zero goals, zero points. To me, he's the weak link if you want to blame the D, the guy had a fawking stroke and shouldn't even be playing right now.
Kunitz, Neal, Crosby, and Letang, are a combined -11, not counting Malkin who has an even +/- . That right there is half our salary. Please tell me again how it's all the D
Defense isn't a 6 man job, it's an 19 man job. Expecting 6 people to do a job that requires 19 is why they fail.
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97BlackAckCL (04-24-2014)
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Key words, Mr. Torontonian: STEAL GAMES. So, using Chicago and Detroit, since they are identical models on roster-builds, how often did you see their goalies STEAL GAMES to win their Cups?
In Mr. Fleury's example, I think he can be successful IF (HUGE IF), IF the Pens decided to play TEAM DEFENSE. But, TEAM DEFENSE seems to be alien to them since they blew a 3-goal lead.
ENGLISH, YES?
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Alright, I'm going to go check out Phil the Thrill's Twitter feed to get fishing tips.
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Fleury = Weak link for Pengoons.
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So, if Mr. Flower is the weak link, what should Pengoons do? Shore up TEAM DEFENSE!
Holy, what a concept!
It's debatable that Crawford (and before, Niemiski) is Chicago's "weak link" and so, what does Chicago invest lots in? The blueline and overall team D. But, hey...both recent Cups were fluke wins.
Holy, what a concept!
It's debatable that Crawford (and before, Niemiski) is Chicago's "weak link" and so, what does Chicago invest lots in? The blueline and overall team D. But, hey...both recent Cups were fluke wins.
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I was trying to make that point, other players are playing worse defensively than the "D core" but all everyone wants to keep pointing at is those 6. It's amazing how much you and I actually agree, even when you don't want to see it.
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Kopidoor, Bergeron, and Toews named Selke finalists: http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=450285
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So, if Mr. Flower is the weak link, what should Pengoons do? Shore up TEAM DEFENSE!
Holy, what a concept!
It's debatable that Crawford (and before, Niemiski) is Chicago's "weak link" and so, what does Chicago invest lots in? The blueline and overall team D. But, hey...both recent Cups were fluke wins.
Holy, what a concept!
It's debatable that Crawford (and before, Niemiski) is Chicago's "weak link" and so, what does Chicago invest lots in? The blueline and overall team D. But, hey...both recent Cups were fluke wins.
The sizzle in the Steak
Kopidoor, Bergeron, and Toews named Selke finalists: http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=450285
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Amazing how the Jackets have not swept the Pengoons already.
They blew TWO, count 'em TWO 3-1 leads and still figured out a way to to win 2 games.
They blew TWO, count 'em TWO 3-1 leads and still figured out a way to to win 2 games.
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<----Cleaning the golf clubs as I watch game 4 tonight.
Mike Richards...methinks this will be the last time you wear a Kings jersey.
...same for Greene....maybe Williams, and Clifford as well.
Would love to see Brown tossed out too, but that's not going to happen.
Mike Richards...methinks this will be the last time you wear a Kings jersey.
...same for Greene....maybe Williams, and Clifford as well.
Would love to see Brown tossed out too, but that's not going to happen.
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I say the concept is the problem and the concept seems to be "score more goals than they do", it needs to be "stop them from scoring as many as we do".
Take it away from local pride and laundry.
Team Canada and Team USA, Babcock/Julien vs Bylsma. Canada's eventual smothering D had Babcock and Juliens puck possession stingy defense fingerprints all over it. Bylsma's high scoring offense started to fall apart when the stakes were higher and their team defense couldn't keep them in it.
Fluery isn't the greatest goaltender in the world, he made 2 mistakes in that game that hurt Pitt bad, no doubt. He's not the big problem. You can say he shouldn't have let those 2 in but how many of the 40+ shots he stopped could have gone in? He made a lot of quality stops when the team hung him out to dry.
The problem lies in the team's core. Bad coaching concept, too many superstars egos to manage, not enough leadership in the room and a captain who's talented but not a real leader.
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I say the concept is the problem and the concept seems to be "score more goals than they do", it needs to be "stop them from scoring as many as we do".
Take it away from local pride and laundry.
Team Canada and Team USA, Babcock/Julien vs Bylsma. Canada's eventual smothering D had Babcock and Juliens puck possession stingy defense fingerprints all over it. Bylsma's high scoring offense started to fall apart when the stakes were higher and their team defense couldn't keep them in it.
Fluery isn't the greatest goaltender in the world, he made 2 mistakes in that game that hurt Pitt bad, no doubt. He's not the big problem. You can say he shouldn't have let those 2 in but how many of the 40+ shots he stopped could have gone in? He made a lot of quality stops when the team hung him out to dry.
The problem lies in the team's core. Bad coaching concept, too many superstars egos to manage, not enough leadership in the room and a captain who's talented but not a real leader.
Take it away from local pride and laundry.
Team Canada and Team USA, Babcock/Julien vs Bylsma. Canada's eventual smothering D had Babcock and Juliens puck possession stingy defense fingerprints all over it. Bylsma's high scoring offense started to fall apart when the stakes were higher and their team defense couldn't keep them in it.
Fluery isn't the greatest goaltender in the world, he made 2 mistakes in that game that hurt Pitt bad, no doubt. He's not the big problem. You can say he shouldn't have let those 2 in but how many of the 40+ shots he stopped could have gone in? He made a lot of quality stops when the team hung him out to dry.
The problem lies in the team's core. Bad coaching concept, too many superstars egos to manage, not enough leadership in the room and a captain who's talented but not a real leader.
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Shut up, a goalie with more holes in him that Swiss Cheese is fine as long as you play Team D. Team D is all that matters, goalies are disposable and don't matter. A defenceman should have stopped that 30 ft floater from just inside the blue line in overtime last night, don't blame MAF. It was the D's fault. Lets put pads and blocker on all defenceman!!!!
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And there's been enough Maple Leave bashing in this thread to last a lifetime. Isn't that what the regular season is for? Come playoff time, its time to bash the Pens and other teams that choke come April.
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^^ Now I'm offended with you saying it's cool to bash choke teams :cough: Kings :cough:
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Maple Leaf Bashing is like the Jello Pudding of Hockey talk, there's always room for it.
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Shut up, a goalie with more holes in him that Swiss Cheese is fine as long as you play Team D. Team D is all that matters, goalies are disposable and don't matter. A defenceman should have stopped that 30 ft floater from just inside the blue line in overtime last night, don't blame MAF. It was the D's fault. Lets put pads and blocker on all defenceman!!!!
When he's on, he's made some pretty impressive stops. Too bad he's also got the confidence of an ugly fat girl.