oonowindoo

You are right about the individual color. Well for people who have $$ to spend, i guess $5k is not a lot to have a color that no one (they hope) would have within 100 miles radius. Hence Individual. I dont know the exact $$ amount but i know if the owner chooses a BMW color, any bmw color from current to past, it is less. It is more if you choose a color from another brand (in this case, Ferrari)

Leatherette are standard on a lot of BMWs, but not on certain cars.
M3/4 (2 base options: leather or some magical cloth material), 5 series and up come with Dakota Leather standard, NOT leatherette.

There is the standard leather, then there is the extended leather , then there is the $4k leather option on the M3 is FULL leather, meaning in addition to the leather seats, it also includes leather dashboard and leather door panel and other areas that no one ever touches.

Also there are Merino leather option and there is the Individual Leather options with different colors, materials, design and stitching.

It gets pretty complicated if individuality is what the owner is going for. But at least it is always good to have options except you just have to pay for it.


Shit if you pay enough, i am sure BMW will even do 1 side LED and 1 side HID.

KaMLuNg

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if that motor becomes available, i know what i'm putting in my MR2...

ttribe

Not to get too technical, but you wouldn't be paying $102k for the one you have in the picture. Why? Well, the one with the $102k price tag you showed earlier has the $9k Carbon Ceramic Brakes option. The one in the picture above does not (the color of the calipers is the tell; gold on cc, blue on iron).

Just sayin'.

[/pedantic anal-retentive accountant mode]

srika

damn thanks for all the infos, good to know.
hehe no biggie and please, get technical. ok, change the number to $93k, I still would not pay that much for a new M3.

ttribe

I know...me neither. BMW's pricing is silly. But, people keep paying it, so what do I know?

Doom878

I've seen some 3 series with that brown leather that reminds me of a saddle. I really like the look of it. Which leather is that or is that too general a question?

oonowindoo

and No competition package as well. and who spends (He did) $5k on M performance exhaust???? for $5k i can think of a lot better exhaust options.


So now it is in the 80s.

oonowindoo

it depends on the year of the 3 series. The saddle/brown are available on certain years, it is hard to say without knowing the details.
Saddle Brown is currently available on F30 (2016) but they were not available when i had my F30 (2013) and it is just a "regular" leather option. Not individual.

Of course, again if you are willing to pay, you can have saddle brown whenever you want

Costco

The exhaust is what stood out to me the most. Even a titanium catback shouldn't cost that much. Highly doubt the headers are changed at all, and doubt they are titanium if so. And $1500 for carbon exhaust tips?

Yumcha

Exclusivity. Market adjustment. Makes sense to me. And I believe that's loaded to the hilt with some $$$$ options? Similar to what you can do easily with a Porsche.


I mean, with BMW diluting their brand to the point that almost anyone can own them, and with 3-Series almost a dime a dozen on the roads, mebbe BMW wants to find a way to separate out their "elite" M line a bit...?

I dunno. The M3 remains a benchmark for that type of car and so, if I had $100K, I'd probably have it at or near the top of my list.

Yumcha

And ttribe, this goes without saying, you'd pay $100K easily to go 2341241230743219471032743214 faster than your 2cm/hour speeds in your 335.

oonowindoo

for BMW, it does. But for around the same price, there are just better options out there than OEM exhaust that only include rear section + mid pipe.

let alone Ms, M performance exhaust (Axle back) for 335/435 is around $1200.

i would MUCH prefer this for about the same price:

https://www.turnermotorsport.com/p-3...m4/?pdk=AQEAAQ

oonowindoo

I personally would rather get the uglier GTR and run circles around M3/4. but then for $100k, you get a M5 after discounts.

oonowindoo

he could get the fastest car with upgraded tires and the 2nd fastest car with upgraded tires for less than $100k. maybe even have left over $ to get a used IS350.

Yumcha

True. Why consider an M when an RL with upgraded tires is the true benchmark in the universe?

Rick_TL-S

Psh, BMW scoffs at you & your $102,000 M3. The Competition models reportedly start around that price.
BMW 4 Series M4 Performance - BMW gets competitive with M3 and M4 | GoAuto

Now, I believe these are for Australia, so here in the US, it looks like they'll start around $105k, $113k, & $120k according to a currency converter.

oonowindoo

I think M3 with competition package and M3 competition are not quite the same.

regardless, at those prices

if buyers are willing to let BMW get away with prices, they will continue to go up.

Yumcha

Nothing beats brand power.

oonowindoo

yah to a certain extend. Even BMW has its limitations. See 7 series vs S class.

i think Merc beats BMW in brand power any day

srika

let's not forget the 2011 M3 GTS, which was $145k USD - but it wasn't offered here - IMO this goes along with "basket" theory, which is just that if you want more you have to make the basket bigger... something like that lol

BMW M3 Review: 2011 BMW M3 GTS Drive – Car and Driver

ttribe

I'm guessing those prices include Australian import taxes in them. Australia imposes notoriously high taxes on imported vehicles.

oonowindoo

yup. you will have to pay over $100k just for a base model m3 without options elsewhere in the world.

srika

Arguable. Back in the day I would def give the nod to Merc, but now, I don't know. The brand has taken big hits in reliability and quality issues over the past 16 years. Shit, my friend with the SLS Black Series had quality issues with even that car, which is one of the best Mercs ever made. Also, how about used car prices. I would say Merc depreciation is (considerably?) worse than BMW.

oonowindoo

Those are only relevant to people who care.

When it gets to certain price point ($100K+), brand power, perception and experience > reliability, depreciation and the actual product itself.

with the small % of enthusiast and purist of each brand excluded, the general public still view Mercedes as a brand the benchmark of luxury and status, not BMW.

example, no matter how good a 7 series is, it will not match the status level of an S class.

Yumcha

Yup. Who cares about reliability when you can afford a car over $100K...? It's generally understood that uber-luxury/high-end products break easier.

srika

ok I hear you on that and do agree with that.

Rick_TL-S

In the case of the GTS, I think BMW was at least going for a full on track model. I mean, a $145k is pretty pricey, but I think it had a significant performance jump over the base car.

These Competition models don't appear to be anywhere as close. The M6 one is more flash and stickers than anything.
They are, that's why I wanted to include the converted prices.

srika

guess I missed the memo, they are making a 2016 M4 GTS as well - it starts at $133k.

Car and Driver

ttribe

Foreign exchange conversion wouldn't account for the import taxes; the amounts would still be high even after converting to USD.

Joneill44

Interesting inventory

https://www.cars.com/for-sale/search...01852&rd=99999

cu2wagon

^^^ no way that is legit. Anyone know what's going on? The prices they show must be down payment amount or something. Or none of those cars have drive lines or something.

justnspace

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The weird part is they say "price of actual car is $28000"
And you can even calculate the monthly payments....

Hmmmmm. Those cars must be fucked up or something

srika

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puzzling

Joneill44

Thats why I posted it. All the reviews were somewhat good.

Edit:When I googled the email address in the photos nothing came up so that was a little weird

srika

someone buy a car from there, so we can see what's going on.

Joneill44

Noooooooooo they're all gone

srika

oonowindoo

Just had a 2016 528 M sport fully loaded minus LED for loaner over the weekend.

the 4 cylinder is very smooth and quiet, unlike the same ones in the 2/3/4 series. But it does tell you if it is a 4 cylinder when you floor it.

Very comfortable and spacious. The interior quality is at least 1 full level above 3/4. The leather was so soft... But god i hated the car and could not wait to get my car back.

Doom878

Was it faster than a 330 tho

oonowindoo

Nope and Nope. I think probably the slowest car in the entire current lineup.

I can't imagine how the A6 2.0t with less power feels like