Accord 18 pics released...TLX killer?
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In C&D 11/2017 0-60mph for the 252HP 2.0T manual in 6.1s (no 5-60 reported). For people interested to that stuff, it would lose a TLX V6 FWD. Maybe the 10-sp will perform petter.
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Our 2.0T Touring model’s 5.7-second 0-60-mph time precisely matches that of our last V-6 Touring, which weighed 175 pounds more.
2018 Honda Accord First Test - Motor Trend
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yup I had the posted the same numbers a few pages back for you when you asked
https://acurazine.com/forums/fifth-g...-960424/page5/
#364
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Our 2.0T Touring model’s 5.7-second 0-60-mph time precisely matches that of our last V-6 Touring, which weighed 175 pounds more.
2018 Honda Accord First Test - Motor Trend
2018 Honda Accord First Test - Motor Trend
https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...al-test-review
... and the 10-sp is quicker as I wrote it would.
Can't wait the 5-60mph figures.
#365
Just an observation in general. Few higher end buyers go to for a honda accord. Value buyers will and nothing wrong with that. I bought a new honda for my kid rather than an Acura or other more expensive car. Just a good value low cost car. Nothing elitist about it but I can see you are easily upset which makes me sad for you.
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The 2.0T 6AT is difficult to launch well according to Jeff at TOV. It either bogs down or spins the tires endlessly. Getting the perfect launch requires patience and skills because of the turbo. And unlike the CTR, it doesn't have the summer tires to help put the power down.
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As I understand it, the video above was recorded in New Hampshire. If so, elevation plays a part in the margin of victory here.
Edit: Soyfan's clip was probably done at the same location as this article:
http://www.nydailynews.com/autos/lat...icle-1.3536228
Read: 1,600 ft above sea level. If so, the V6's 278hp is probably more like 255hp. And given the added curb weight of a 9G Touring V6 over the 10G, the V6 had less power:weight in this run.. #stackeddeck
Edit: Soyfan's clip was probably done at the same location as this article:
http://www.nydailynews.com/autos/lat...icle-1.3536228
Read: 1,600 ft above sea level. If so, the V6's 278hp is probably more like 255hp. And given the added curb weight of a 9G Touring V6 over the 10G, the V6 had less power:weight in this run.. #stackeddeck
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As I understand it, the video above was recorded in New Hampshire. If so, elevation plays a part in the margin of victory here.
Edit: Soyfan's clip was probably done at the same location as this article:
First Drive: 2018 Honda Accord - NY Daily News
Read: 1,600 ft above sea level. If so, the V6's 278hp is probably more like 255hp plus the added curb weight of a 9G Touring V6 over the 10G. #stackeddeck
Edit: Soyfan's clip was probably done at the same location as this article:
First Drive: 2018 Honda Accord - NY Daily News
Read: 1,600 ft above sea level. If so, the V6's 278hp is probably more like 255hp plus the added curb weight of a 9G Touring V6 over the 10G. #stackeddeck
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As I understand it, the video above was recorded in New Hampshire. If so, elevation plays a part in the margin of victory here.
Edit: Soyfan's clip was probably done at the same location as this article:
First Drive: 2018 Honda Accord - NY Daily News
Read: 1,600 ft above sea level. If so, the V6's 278hp is probably more like 255hp. And given the added curb weight of a 9G Touring V6 over the 10G, the V6 had less power:weight in this run.. #stackeddeck
Edit: Soyfan's clip was probably done at the same location as this article:
First Drive: 2018 Honda Accord - NY Daily News
Read: 1,600 ft above sea level. If so, the V6's 278hp is probably more like 255hp. And given the added curb weight of a 9G Touring V6 over the 10G, the V6 had less power:weight in this run.. #stackeddeck
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OEM tires suck balls anyway. They should be discarded before you even take the car home
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Here's the 2.0T 10AT vs the old 3.5 V6 6AT (skip to just after 6:00):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=spIczRuboEc&t=366s
The 2.0T 6AT is difficult to launch well according to Jeff at TOV. It either bogs down or spins the tires endlessly. Getting the perfect launch requires patience and skills because of the turbo. And unlike the CTR, it doesn't have the summer tires to help put the power down.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=spIczRuboEc&t=366s
The 2.0T 6AT is difficult to launch well according to Jeff at TOV. It either bogs down or spins the tires endlessly. Getting the perfect launch requires patience and skills because of the turbo. And unlike the CTR, it doesn't have the summer tires to help put the power down.
This amateur basically ignores the importance of the new modern 10-sp transmission vs the old tech 6-sp. Also the new engine has direct injection, not the old one.
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100% true. However, the average Accord owner is buying tires at Costco, and wouldn't know what sticky rubber is, aside from the gum stuck on the bottom of their kids shoes, when they stepped on it in the park.
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Honda's objective was to maintain or improve performance with the new car, The vid shows they got it right even if it makes you unhappy.
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As I understand it, the video above was recorded in New Hampshire. If so, elevation plays a part in the margin of victory here.
Edit: Soyfan's clip was probably done at the same location as this article:
First Drive: 2018 Honda Accord - NY Daily News
Read: 1,600 ft above sea level. If so, the V6's 278hp is probably more like 255hp. And given the added curb weight of a 9G Touring V6 over the 10G, the V6 had less power:weight in this run.. #stackeddeck
Edit: Soyfan's clip was probably done at the same location as this article:
First Drive: 2018 Honda Accord - NY Daily News
Read: 1,600 ft above sea level. If so, the V6's 278hp is probably more like 255hp. And given the added curb weight of a 9G Touring V6 over the 10G, the V6 had less power:weight in this run.. #stackeddeck
Wallace Racing - Braking HP Loss at Altitude Calculator
I get your point though. For sure, the slightly lower hp because of the elevation, the 10AT vs 6AT, and the lighter curb weight would all help the new car to perform better.
I think that's part of the whole package though, and another advantage of going turbo.
If you put the RLX's 310hp V6 in the Accord with the new 10AT, and combine that with the lower weight, and conduct the same test at sea level, then yea, most likely this Accord would win against the 2.0T version.
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Hmmm, I don't know if flawed is the right word. I don't think that person was ignoring the tranny or weight difference. All the video was trying to show is how the two cars would do when pitted against each other, that's all. Honda's goal for the new car is to maintain the same level of performance while improving EPA ratings. It seems like that goal has been met. It doesn't matter about DI, # of gears, it's about the end result here.
If you put the RLX's 310hp V6 in the Accord with the new 10AT, and combine that with the lower weight, and conduct the same test at sea level, then yea, most likely this Accord would win against the 2.0T version.
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I'm using this calculator and for 1600ft, the hp loss is about 13hp, putting it at about 265hp:
Wallace Racing - Braking HP Loss at Altitude Calculator
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Breaux, give it a rest. This thread is happening, and in a fairly truthful and generally respectful manner. Feel free to make your point, but give it a rest on the "stand and deliver for Acura oh captain my captain."
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#383
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Hey now, I buy all my tires at Costco. And I'm the furthest thing from being an average Accord owner
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I finally saw my first MMC TLX, just the other day. Admittedly, it was in front of the Acura dealership, as I drove by I still haven't seen one in the wild though. Either way, I must admit, the front end looks good. Pictures don't seem to do it much justice.
If I was in the market for a midsize sedan right this moment, I'd take the new Accord over the current TLX. Because 6mt and decently appointed. Seriously. The only reason. If it were a loaded Accord with a 6mt (I know Honda won't give us that), I'd be all over it like a fat kid with a birthday cake. Otherwise, I'm rather interested to see the 2G TLX. If it has a 6mt Sport option, I would choose that over the Accord, then. Looks wise, yeah, the new Accord is a bit on the strange side. I'm interested to see it in person, though. I'm hoping it's the same thing as the TLX, where photos don't do it justice. But that might be wishful thinking
If I was in the market for a midsize sedan right this moment, I'd take the new Accord over the current TLX. Because 6mt and decently appointed. Seriously. The only reason. If it were a loaded Accord with a 6mt (I know Honda won't give us that), I'd be all over it like a fat kid with a birthday cake. Otherwise, I'm rather interested to see the 2G TLX. If it has a 6mt Sport option, I would choose that over the Accord, then. Looks wise, yeah, the new Accord is a bit on the strange side. I'm interested to see it in person, though. I'm hoping it's the same thing as the TLX, where photos don't do it justice. But that might be wishful thinking
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Come to think of it, I've only seen a handful of new '18 TLXs on the road so far..all but one being the A-Spec.
I have seen an 'observational' uptick in the number of '17 models on the road around my area. I've even come across a couple of GT models.
I have seen an 'observational' uptick in the number of '17 models on the road around my area. I've even come across a couple of GT models.
#386
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Think of this as a discussion of a very early 2G TLX and be happy.
#387
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We just got one in at the dealership today for training. Trainer said we should see them within the next week or possibly within the next day. The car looks great in person. Pics don't do it justice. And Car and Driver named it "Car of the Year" already. Giving it better marks than the Toyota Camry.
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We just got one in at the dealership today for training. Trainer said we should see them within the next week or possibly within the next day. The car looks great in person. Pics don't do it justice. And Car and Driver named it "Car of the Year" already. Giving it better marks than the Toyota Camry.
now if they would do a full red interior like the Camry, would be perfect!
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Pic shows the car at the correct angle. Looks pretty good, and I like that paint color.
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I still can't get over the big gapping black opening under the hood. It just doesn't look right. But maybe once I see it in person i'll like it more.
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We just got one in at the dealership today for training. Trainer said we should see them within the next week or possibly within the next day. The car looks great in person. Pics don't do it justice. And Car and Driver named it "Car of the Year" already. Giving it better marks than the Toyota Camry.
Maybe a little odd, but that's the one thing nagging me about the front end and I haven't seen any around yet.
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I dig the new 2018 Accord. I'd buy one over the TLX in a heartbeat
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Wow. I'm in shock.
M6 meets TLX and cut price tag in a third...I actually thought it was a TLX with a nice stance and cool wheels for a moment before realizing it's actually a car with much better proportions.
I like the TLX Aspec, but that picture just jumped out at me. I really dig it.
M6 meets TLX and cut price tag in a third...I actually thought it was a TLX with a nice stance and cool wheels for a moment before realizing it's actually a car with much better proportions.
I like the TLX Aspec, but that picture just jumped out at me. I really dig it.
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I personally can't stand Rose Gold in any shape.. It reminds me of the old champagne gold corollas and accords that ruled the early 90's