General Car Talk Discussion Thread
Azine Jabroni
I was on record once saying that I would not buy a new Nissan. It was from hearing maintenance horror stories of other owners. I don't know how reliable they are now, but I feel like I can revisit my statement.
I still wouldn't be caught dead owning a crossover, but the Rogue was surprisingly nice. The CVT wasn't annoying at all to me, unless I was doing a lot of city driving with the radio off. I found it responsive and very smooth on the freeway.
If I'm going to be driving truck sized, I prefer it to feel like a truck. But the Rogue handled very car like which was pleasant. Similar thoughts to an X1 loaner I had, which I feel handled better than a 5-series. Sad.
I couldn't be bothered to calculate gas mileage. Canada and their kilometers and liters.
I still wouldn't be caught dead owning a crossover, but the Rogue was surprisingly nice. The CVT wasn't annoying at all to me, unless I was doing a lot of city driving with the radio off. I found it responsive and very smooth on the freeway.
If I'm going to be driving truck sized, I prefer it to feel like a truck. But the Rogue handled very car like which was pleasant. Similar thoughts to an X1 loaner I had, which I feel handled better than a 5-series. Sad.
I couldn't be bothered to calculate gas mileage. Canada and their kilometers and liters.
Some people were complaining about eco mode in the start stop thread, but on the Rogue it was nicely tuned. On a Prius it's awful, there's not only decreased throttle sensitivity but also a huge dead zone.
I try my best to be a smooth operator, and plus I drive like a grandma most of the time anyway so eco mode was fine to me. I think I'm getting old.
I try my best to be a smooth operator, and plus I drive like a grandma most of the time anyway so eco mode was fine to me. I think I'm getting old.
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At the end of last year, around the holidays a dealer had a Giulia TI on display at a shopping mall that me and my wife were shopping at. If I remember correctly it was an AWD with sport pkg, 19" wheels with red calipers, dual pane roof, nav, and active suspension.. Monte Blue with tan interior it was beautiful, I think the sticker was around $46.5K. So while my wife is in a store I took a look and first thing I notice is there is basically no back seat,very tight.
So just for the heck of it I ask the salesman who was there what are these leasing at and he tells me that it's very hard to say because there is basically no support from FCA on leases for these. So I ask again, but this time ask him to give me a rough estimate based on the MSRP just so I can get a ballpark idea. Again he tells me hard to say, and says if I'm serious I should give him my contact info and he will call me back during the week.
He goes onto say that he is not trying to be difficult but not only is there no support from FCA, but there are very few banks who will write the leases on these, and the ones that do have crazy rates.. He was a nice guy who I could tell was very frustrated. We kept talking and tell him that if I ever considered one it would have to be the Quadrifoglio, which struck another nerve with him.
Once again very frustrated he tells me that 4 out of 5 people that come into his dealer want to see the Quadrifoglio but there aren't any available, and to make it worse he says we're not even sure when we will be getting them..
I hope FCA is supporting them by now or they're never going to sell any.. I think I have seen only one on the road since they hit dealerships..
So just for the heck of it I ask the salesman who was there what are these leasing at and he tells me that it's very hard to say because there is basically no support from FCA on leases for these. So I ask again, but this time ask him to give me a rough estimate based on the MSRP just so I can get a ballpark idea. Again he tells me hard to say, and says if I'm serious I should give him my contact info and he will call me back during the week.
He goes onto say that he is not trying to be difficult but not only is there no support from FCA, but there are very few banks who will write the leases on these, and the ones that do have crazy rates.. He was a nice guy who I could tell was very frustrated. We kept talking and tell him that if I ever considered one it would have to be the Quadrifoglio, which struck another nerve with him.
Once again very frustrated he tells me that 4 out of 5 people that come into his dealer want to see the Quadrifoglio but there aren't any available, and to make it worse he says we're not even sure when we will be getting them..
I hope FCA is supporting them by now or they're never going to sell any.. I think I have seen only one on the road since they hit dealerships..
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^ Local AR dealer has 2 white GQs $82k.
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My local dealer has a few Q's as well. I wouldn't do anything but lease one of these though. The reliability has already been proven to be terrible.
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C&D had a bitch of a time with it.. but the good was so good.. they didn't care about the bad.
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Here's How That $299 A Month Alfa Romeo Giulia Lease Deal Really Works
... from McParland at JalopTeam Owner
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Check out the comments. at the broken new car story.
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https://www.thrillist.com/cars/the-a...orld-by-decade
1880-1889 Benz Motorwagen 10mph
Technically, a horse-drawn carriage could go faster, but that's not really the point, now is it?
Technically, a horse-drawn carriage could go faster, but that's not really the point, now is it?
1890-1899 Stanley Runabout 35mph
The Stanley Runabout was steam-powered -- you've no doubt heard its more common moniker, Stanley Steamer -- and unlike the much more technically advanced and historically relevant Benz that came before it, the Stanley was fast. At least, fast enough for drivers to be annoyed at little old ladies driving too slow in their one-horse carriages. Some things never change, right?
Quick note on the above photo: the vehicle pictured may or may not be a Stanley Steamer, but it's definitely a steamer, and visual proof that people have been flipping each other off in traffic for over 120 years was too good to pass up.
The Stanley Runabout was steam-powered -- you've no doubt heard its more common moniker, Stanley Steamer -- and unlike the much more technically advanced and historically relevant Benz that came before it, the Stanley was fast. At least, fast enough for drivers to be annoyed at little old ladies driving too slow in their one-horse carriages. Some things never change, right?
Quick note on the above photo: the vehicle pictured may or may not be a Stanley Steamer, but it's definitely a steamer, and visual proof that people have been flipping each other off in traffic for over 120 years was too good to pass up.
1900-1909 Mercedes-Simplex 60hp 73mph
Originally built as a race car -- of which it was decidedly not the fastest of the decade -- the 60hp was one of the earliest Mercedes-branded production cars, and squeaks through as champion of the aughts at a surprisingly brisk 73mph. Now wrap your mind around the idea of driving down the interstate, at the speed limit, and getting passed by a car that was built more than a century ago.
Originally built as a race car -- of which it was decidedly not the fastest of the decade -- the 60hp was one of the earliest Mercedes-branded production cars, and squeaks through as champion of the aughts at a surprisingly brisk 73mph. Now wrap your mind around the idea of driving down the interstate, at the speed limit, and getting passed by a car that was built more than a century ago.
1910-1919 Austro-Daimler Prince Henry 85mph
Like the Mercedes before it, this was originally a race car. None other than Ferdinand Porsche developed the engine, and the Prince Henry went into road-car production with no major changes. It's worth noting that, while some of its contemporaries were eventually developed into faster automobiles, as of the end of the 19-teens, this was still your top-speed champion.
Like the Mercedes before it, this was originally a race car. None other than Ferdinand Porsche developed the engine, and the Prince Henry went into road-car production with no major changes. It's worth noting that, while some of its contemporaries were eventually developed into faster automobiles, as of the end of the 19-teens, this was still your top-speed champion.
1920-1929 Duesenberg Model J 119mph
There's a reason "It's a Deusy" is generally used to connote something of an astounding nature. When Duesenberg rolled out the Model J in 1928 it was a source of American pride. The best and fastest cars in the world were officially made in Indiana, the Great Gatsby had his dream ride, and Rolls-Royce had to take a (still very, very cushy) backseat to the Yanks.
There's a reason "It's a Deusy" is generally used to connote something of an astounding nature. When Duesenberg rolled out the Model J in 1928 it was a source of American pride. The best and fastest cars in the world were officially made in Indiana, the Great Gatsby had his dream ride, and Rolls-Royce had to take a (still very, very cushy) backseat to the Yanks.
1930-1939 Duesenberg Model SJ 140mph
Four years after making the Model J, Duesenberg participated in the most time-honored of gearhead traditions: it souped the hell out of it. The supercharged Model SJ that debuted in 1932 could do 140mph, and a speciall -prepped one-off called the Mormon Meteor wound up topping 170mph, and held the record for highest average speed over a 24-hour period until 1990.
Four years after making the Model J, Duesenberg participated in the most time-honored of gearhead traditions: it souped the hell out of it. The supercharged Model SJ that debuted in 1932 could do 140mph, and a speciall -prepped one-off called the Mormon Meteor wound up topping 170mph, and held the record for highest average speed over a 24-hour period until 1990.
1940-1949 Jaguar XK120 126mph
After World War II, Jaguar's rise to prominence took the form of a then-state-of-the-art straight six engine that would serve the company well for decades. When dropped into the timeless XK body, it could top 120mph, hence the name. As legend has it, if you folded down the windshield and covered the passenger seat, the reduction in drag was enough to bring the top speed closer to 135mph.
After World War II, Jaguar's rise to prominence took the form of a then-state-of-the-art straight six engine that would serve the company well for decades. When dropped into the timeless XK body, it could top 120mph, hence the name. As legend has it, if you folded down the windshield and covered the passenger seat, the reduction in drag was enough to bring the top speed closer to 135mph.
1950-1959 Aston Martin DB4 GT 153mph
The Italian-bodied DB4 GT and its DB4 GT Zagato sibling were the epitome of grand touring. With a combination of supreme class and a top speed that meant no one could possibly pass or even catch you on a long, straight highway there's little wonder this car's successor was Bond's first Aston.
The Italian-bodied DB4 GT and its DB4 GT Zagato sibling were the epitome of grand touring. With a combination of supreme class and a top speed that meant no one could possibly pass or even catch you on a long, straight highway there's little wonder this car's successor was Bond's first Aston.
1960-1969 Ferrari 365 GTB/4 "Daytona" 174mph
With a V12 nestled in front, under the hood, the Daytona is a classic Ferrari in every possible sense... right down to taking the "world's fastest car" title away from rival Lamborghini's 171mph Miura.
With a V12 nestled in front, under the hood, the Daytona is a classic Ferrari in every possible sense... right down to taking the "world's fastest car" title away from rival Lamborghini's 171mph Miura.
1970-1979 Ferrari GT4 Berlinetta Boxer 175mph
Lamborghini launched the Countach and said it could do 200mph... but it couldn't. Ferrari launched the BB and said it could do 188... but it couldn't. In various tests, however, it did reach speeds between 174 and 175mph, which still makes it top in the decade... albeit barely.
Lamborghini launched the Countach and said it could do 200mph... but it couldn't. Ferrari launched the BB and said it could do 188... but it couldn't. In various tests, however, it did reach speeds between 174 and 175mph, which still makes it top in the decade... albeit barely.
1980-1989 Ferrari F40 202mph
When the Porsche 959 debuted as the world's fastest car, you have to wonder what went through the engineers' minds when they realized the car was just a fractionslower than 200mph. When the F40 followed suit shortly thereafter and became the first production car to eek its way past the 200mph barrier, it ignited the endless debate over which was the supercar that defined the 1980s.
When the Porsche 959 debuted as the world's fastest car, you have to wonder what went through the engineers' minds when they realized the car was just a fractionslower than 200mph. When the F40 followed suit shortly thereafter and became the first production car to eek its way past the 200mph barrier, it ignited the endless debate over which was the supercar that defined the 1980s.
1990-1999 McLaren F1 240mph
The McLaren was so powerful and so aerodynamically slick, that wind resistance isn't what stopped its acceleration -- the only reason 240 was the top speed is because the engine could only rev so high. To put that kind of speed in perspective, the McLaren had to be made significantly slower and less powerful in order to be eligible for the 24 Hours of Le Mans. Unperturbed, it proceeded to win not just in its own class, but the overall race, too, against the virtual spaceships that make up the prototype classes. To this day, it's considered one of the most spectacular feats in motorsport.
The McLaren was so powerful and so aerodynamically slick, that wind resistance isn't what stopped its acceleration -- the only reason 240 was the top speed is because the engine could only rev so high. To put that kind of speed in perspective, the McLaren had to be made significantly slower and less powerful in order to be eligible for the 24 Hours of Le Mans. Unperturbed, it proceeded to win not just in its own class, but the overall race, too, against the virtual spaceships that make up the prototype classes. To this day, it's considered one of the most spectacular feats in motorsport.
2000-2009 Shelby SSC Aero 268mph
The Shelby (no relation to Carroll) SuperCars SSC Aero was built for the sole purpose of becoming the fastest production car in the world. For a brief time while arguing back and forth with Guinness over the nuances of what constitutes a production car vis a vis a special version of the Bugatti Veyron, it was.
The Shelby (no relation to Carroll) SuperCars SSC Aero was built for the sole purpose of becoming the fastest production car in the world. For a brief time while arguing back and forth with Guinness over the nuances of what constitutes a production car vis a vis a special version of the Bugatti Veyron, it was.
2010-Current Hennessey Venom GT 270mph
Like the SSC, the Hennessey is sometimes not considered a production car because there are very few in existence. But the fact is, you can order one today if you have the means, so it counts here, even though Guinness currently officially recognizes the Veyron. A quick note on the Koenigsegg One:1, though. Theoretically it's capable of 273mph -- which would obviously knock the Hennessey off this list -- but if it has hit such speeds in the real world, Koenigsegg has yet to make an announcement. No proof, no prize.
Like the SSC, the Hennessey is sometimes not considered a production car because there are very few in existence. But the fact is, you can order one today if you have the means, so it counts here, even though Guinness currently officially recognizes the Veyron. A quick note on the Koenigsegg One:1, though. Theoretically it's capable of 273mph -- which would obviously knock the Hennessey off this list -- but if it has hit such speeds in the real world, Koenigsegg has yet to make an announcement. No proof, no prize.
In case you weren't counting at home, that's five decade winners for the USA... at least for now.
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RE: 1950-1959, could've sworn that the 300SL Gullwing had a top speed of 155mph....
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercedes-Benz_300_SL
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercedes-Benz_300_SL
Derived from the DB 601 V12 used on the high-powered Messerschmitt Bf 109E fighter of World War II, it raised output from 130 kW; 177 PS (175 hp) to 160 kW; 218 PS (215 hp), almost double that of the original Type 300 sedan's 86 kW; 117 PS (115 hp). The result was a top speed of up to 260 km/h (160 mph) depending on gear ratio and drag, making the 300 SL the fastest production car of its time.[2]
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Alfa Romeo Is Its Own Worst Enemy
Last edited by JT4; 07-19-2017 at 11:43 AM.
Obligatory "screw John Hennessy" though!
Desperate need of help!! Possible hole in engine block?
I have a 2004 Acura TSX, 6 spd manual, with about 85k miles on it. Recently, when I accelerate it sounded like I had a vacuum leak or it was a whistling sound. I took the engine cover off looking to see if any hoses were disconnected and I found this. I don't know if this is fixable, how much it would be, and what caused it. But I would love if someone could please give me any information!
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Fiat (Fix It Again, Tony) + Chrysler. Yikes.
The article fails to mention why it's really so spectacular; it is the only time in Le Mans history a manufacturer won in its debut, & cemented them as the only manufacturer to win F1, Indy, & Le Mans together.
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2017 Alfa Romeo Giulia Ti AWD Review – Rolling the Dice on Your Commute
The Alfa Romeo Giulia is not a rational choice. It’s the car that speaks to the five-year-old gearhead within who somehow needs to choose respectable transportation. It’s for the driver who needs a little excitement every morning – whether from the drive itself, or from the uncertainty of whether you’ll get out of the garage.
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The majority of Chrysler has been just fine the past several years.
This turn with Alfa is sad and maddening. But FCA likes to shoot itself in the foot. They sent out subpar Vipers when the last gen was released. And reviewers were getting a model with shitty build that was falling apart. It didn't help the case of a widely loved vehicle that was always an underdog...with this "at the time" new generation hoping to jump up the rung in its class.
This turn with Alfa is sad and maddening. But FCA likes to shoot itself in the foot. They sent out subpar Vipers when the last gen was released. And reviewers were getting a model with shitty build that was falling apart. It didn't help the case of a widely loved vehicle that was always an underdog...with this "at the time" new generation hoping to jump up the rung in its class.
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The majority of Chrysler has been just fine the past several years.
This turn with Alfa is sad and maddening. But FCA likes to shoot itself in the foot. They sent out subpar Vipers when the last gen was released. And reviewers were getting a model with shitty build that was falling apart. It didn't help the case of a widely loved vehicle that was always an underdog...with this "at the time" new generation hoping to jump up the rung in its class.
This turn with Alfa is sad and maddening. But FCA likes to shoot itself in the foot. They sent out subpar Vipers when the last gen was released. And reviewers were getting a model with shitty build that was falling apart. It didn't help the case of a widely loved vehicle that was always an underdog...with this "at the time" new generation hoping to jump up the rung in its class.
As much as I really liked the Guilia from when I first saw it, in the back of my head I was always leary of Alfa's reputation.. But for some reason (which has now been proven wrong) I thought that maybe, just maybe Alfa will surprise everyone and build not only a great looking, great performing car, but a relatively reliable one too.
I mean it was a brand new vehicle so it was definitely going to experience some first year bugs. But this is nuts, it's almost as though they picked up right where the left off when the exited the U.S. market in the 1990's..
I can't understand what the hell FCA was thinking, they knew that the public's perception of Alfa was terrible from the past, so how could they not make sure these vehicles weren't top notch..
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As an owner on his 3rd fca product in 7 years...Ive had no real major issues.
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hmmm sounds like a much better option than buying one from the dealer....
https://www.cargurus.com/Cars/l-Used...ting=179644969
https://www.cargurus.com/Cars/l-Used...ting=179644969
2024 Honda Civic Type R
Brand new 2017. Just purchased. Highest Bid will get the car!
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My eyes!
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lol is it 2017 or 2018. pick a year. fishy.
hmmm sounds like a much better option than buying one from the dealer....
https://www.cargurus.com/Cars/l-Used...ting=179644969
https://www.cargurus.com/Cars/l-Used...ting=179644969
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*beats dead horse*
I could think of a dozen other cars I'd rather throw $41,000 at
I could think of a dozen other cars I'd rather throw $41,000 at
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Like a RC350 F
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Maybe not 12, but 10 off of the top of my head.
2G CTS-V Sedan
E92 M3 Sedan
B8.5 S4
New-ish S3
Lexus IS-F
Genesis 5.0
Q50 3.0T
Lower Mileage Evo
WRX STI
Golf R
2G CTS-V Sedan
E92 M3 Sedan
B8.5 S4
New-ish S3
Lexus IS-F
Genesis 5.0
Q50 3.0T
Lower Mileage Evo
WRX STI
Golf R
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Even from my list, the only real boy racer cars are the Evo / WRX ... yet those look remarkably restrained compared to the Type-R.
Azine Jabroni
I'm Italian. I want a Giulia, but I can't drive a car that I can't trust to get me to work.
It'll get you there, it's the ride home you worry about. You will also get to meet many a tow truck driver. (that should sell a few more )
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