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I thought they'd expect to sell more than 60? From my brief gander over at the NSXPrime forums some of their more knowledge-able sounding posters mentioned something about production is sold out for at least 1-2 years?!
Of course deliveries just started happening and its coming to the close of 2016 so it may be not enough time to really ramp up production/sales....
Yes, sold out. The problem is production of the car... There's a reason why Honda only built like 600 RLX-SHs in 2016. Well.. partially because no one wants them, but also because apparently it takes a long time to build the cells (no idea why... it's never been announced what part of it takes so long).
So yes, while sold out, don't expect a 1000 new NSXs on the roads this year. At last check, they only delivered 39 of them.
Ah interesting. There was definitely production slowness but looks like that's quite a bit slower. But yeah definitely not 1000 though I was thinking at least few hundred....but likely less than 500 for sure at this pace...
Piss poor showing for it at MTs best drivers car On street tires it was 2 full seconds slower at Laguna Seca than the Audi R8, Basically the exact same lap time as the less powerful rwd 911, Out of 12 cars in contention for best drivers car (not just lap time) it came in 8th, 4 spots behind the Camaro Not good, Not good.
Piss poor showing for it at MTs best drivers car On street tires it was 2 full seconds slower at Laguna Seca than the Audi R8, Basically the exact same lap time as the less powerful rwd 911, Out of 12 cars in contention for best drivers car (not just lap time) it came in 8th, 4 spots behind the Camaro Not good, Not good.
Yeah. For a driver's car definitely the NSX is too clinical/computerized...like the GT-R, as they're both next to each other in the bottom of the list. Probably also somewhat reflective of the modern japanese car maker's generally conservative car making philosophy.
It's easy to tell that it is definitely not a performance/track-machine as its main focus (ie 570S, GT350R, ACR) so more likely they are selling it on its name legacy and brand fans, the technology/newness, and curb appeal and daily livability.
The 911 is another huge winner imo, one that is all around great (luxury, name, drivers' car, exoticness). The Camaro SS 1LE is another huge winner imo as well with its really middle-class-accessible pricing
FWIW, Jeff at Temple of Vtec saying the car was probably in drift mode or some sort:
Yeah, obviously Laguna Seca is a way different track than Thermal but the NSXs that I drove were nowhere close to being that loose. I mean you could do all sorts of stuff and elicit oversteer but it was never anything close to feeling "loose".
Now, with that said, supposedly there's some way you can configure it (outside of the base Track settings) which will enable tons of oversteer (almost like a "drift mode") and now I'm wondering if they somehow enabled that mode (like for the "hero" sequences in the video and photography).
When I drove the car I wasn't aware that you could do that, but I found out later that you could set it up for that. I know Randy is a great driver but with all the buttons and sequences that are necessary I guess it's a possibility.
We can make an excuse for the GTR for being almost a decade old. But can't make the same excuse about the NSX.
you can also look at the other way. The GT-R has a decade to get dialed in as for the NSX its the first year production. I would venture to guess that the 09 GT-R overall is slower than the 2016 GTR around a track.
^^^ I'd believe that. I'd guess we will hear more about this later... Although, I think the NSX's biggest problem is its weight.
Also, what's going on with the GTR's time? Should be about a second quicker.
biggest problem with the NSX is learning how to push it to it limits and getting the most of out of it. its vastly different from most of the cars being tested. Randy is a great driver but he even said that he left time on the table because he couldnt quite push it thinking he would lose control. I'm sure with more seat time he could have done much better.
FWIW, Jeff at Temple of Vtec saying the car was probably in drift mode or some sort:
I agree with Jeff. I never once felt what Randy was saying about the NSX. Whether it was me driving or my pro driver pushing it to the complete limits I never once left the back end wanting to fly out.
I can't believe the GT350, at almost 3800 pounds, only RWD, no fancy batteries and motors, no fancy dual clutch transmission and no forced induction power STILL outperforms the NSX at a mere FRACTION of the price.
And by the way, it is all around a VERY nice car, inside and out.
You're telling me Acura couldn't have built a low weight, super handling monster that would've kept on the tradition of the original car? Soichiro Honda is likely spinning in his grave.
This. This needs work. How about some exotic colors? Acura sells the car, not as a track beast, but a more refined, all around super car with GT type comfort. Or, an exotic, if you will. So where are the exotic colors?
I can't believe the GT350, at almost 3800 pounds, only RWD, no fancy batteries and motors, no fancy dual clutch transmission and no forced induction power STILL outperforms the NSX at a mere FRACTION of the price.
And by the way, it is all around a VERY nice car, inside and out.
You're telling me Acura couldn't have built a low weight, super handling monster that would've kept on the tradition of the original car? Soichiro Honda is likely spinning in his grave.
Please see above.
In addition, in C&D's lightning lap 2016 test, the NSX did outperform the GT350R.
The original NSX wasn't exactly a "super handling monster." It couldn't keep up with a R32 GT-R which was at a mere FRACTION of the NSX's price.
Think we need to understand what the NSX is about - it's an everyday supercar that is easy for anyone to drive fast, and be user-friendly, comfy, etc. It's not a NSX GT3, or a NSX Type S, or a NSX Type R. I think if you are looking for a track-ready NSX, you'd need to wait for those trims.
you can also look at the other way. The GT-R has a decade to get dialed in as for the NSX its the first year production. I would venture to guess that the 09 GT-R overall is slower than the 2016 GTR around a track.
true but it is expected for a 10 years old car being slower by the "latest and best" Acura can offer. That is logical.
If not, Acura can go back to the drawing board again. Now let's see how the NSX will compete against the next R36 that is supposed to be released in a year or 2.
yah i would take the R8 anyday of the week... the screaming V10 > all the battery in the world combined.
Let's be honest, we are really splitting hairs with the few secs difference on a track. 9 out of the 10 of these cars sold probably will never see the track.
What matters more is how does the car make you feel when you are driving than a lap time, since these cars will out performance almost everything on the street anyways.
"The fastest car is the one that is not yours with a driver who is reckless." Jeremy Clarkson
In addition, in C&D's lightning lap 2016 test, the NSX did outperform the GT350R.
The original NSX wasn't exactly a "super handling monster." It couldn't keep up with a R32 GT-R which was at a mere FRACTION of the NSX's price.
Think we need to understand what the NSX is about - it's an everyday supercar that is easy for anyone to drive fast, and be user-friendly, comfy, etc. It's not a NSX GT3, or a NSX Type S, or a NSX Type R. I think if you are looking for a track-ready NSX, you'd need to wait for those trims.
Agreed. Let's not lose sight of Acura's intentions and scope as a company. They didn't have to make this car. And, we know they took their sweet time doing it. Like you said, the original NSX was the lowest horsepower in its class even when it was released, by a good ways. We should be happy Acura made a car that can compete in the class, in 2016, in any way shape or form. Honestly if you told me Acura would make a 570 hp car in 2016 back in those days, I would think you were smokin some good But, they did it. Is it perfect, well no.
Originally Posted by MSZ
From MT's latest issue:
Damn the R8(and probably Huracan too) is fast.
10.6 @ 130 for the R8 good lawd that's quick. As it should be with that engine. 123 mph by comparison is quite far away. Give that NSX some basic turbo mods, and it's gonna be running with that R8.
Let's not lose sight of Acura's intentions and scope as a company.
Which is?
For close to 10 years now, I've had zero ideas what Acura is and where they're headed/trying to go. I can't remember the number of times they said they wanted to be a premium or luxury car company only to abandon those plans.
Originally Posted by srika
They didn't have to make this car.
Agreed. They needed to make this car. They need it to help revive and re-establish the Acura name. Without the NSX, Acura would have remained an also ran car company.
To quote Jon Ikeda:
"The first deliveries of the all-new Acura NSX are electrifying Acura showrooms and generating tremendous excitement for all Acura customers. With the launch of the amazing new NSX, we continue to build strong momentum for the Acura brand."
QUOTE=srika;15856087]^^^ I'd believe that. I'd guess we will hear more about this later... Although, I think the NSX's biggest problem is its weight.[/QUOTE]
Yup. With the optioned car that M/T had it's knocking on 3900lbs (3876). That is ALOT of weight to lug around (add in the driver's weight too) and probably too much to overcome even with the fancy hybrid wheel motors and computer/torque vectoring.
Originally Posted by TacoBello
I can't believe the GT350, at almost 3800 pounds, only RWD, no fancy batteries and motors, no fancy dual clutch transmission and no forced induction power STILL outperforms the NSX at a mere FRACTION of the price.
And by the way, it is all around a VERY nice car, inside and out.
You're telling me Acura couldn't have built a low weight, super handling monster that would've kept on the tradition of the original car? Soichiro Honda is likely spinning in his grave.
I reckon they could have, but chose not to. Hard for me to imagine that a company such as Honda is so inept that they cannot outclass a track-prepped Mustang if they really wanted to. I think the Acura brand sells to a certain type of demographic and they are definitely not the buyers who associate an Acura badge with an all-out mid-engined track monster. It seems to be a balance of luxury, performance, and curb appeal and technology. It doesn't REALLY shine in one area but does decent in all and has a "Quiet" mode that allows the owner to drive into his gated community/driveway without disturbing his fellow one-percenters neighbors. The existence of the "Quiet" mode says alot about the targeted clientele for the NSX.
The GT350R is exactly what Ford can and do cater to...those car nuts like us who crave the raw, loud, analogue feel of a track-oriented car without any luxury pretense but also somewhat daily-able. The exterior styling is awesome.
In addition, in C&D's lightning lap 2016 test, the NSX did outperform the GT350R.
The original NSX wasn't exactly a "super handling monster." It couldn't keep up with a R32 GT-R which was at a mere FRACTION of the NSX's price.
Think we need to understand what the NSX is about - it's an everyday supercar that is easy for anyone to drive fast, and be user-friendly, comfy, etc. It's not a NSX GT3, or a NSX Type S, or a NSX Type R. I think if you are looking for a track-ready NSX, you'd need to wait for those trims.
Yes, BUT it did have dealer installed R compound tires on it as well as acura sent someone along with the car to set it up and check it over.
Exactly. And iforyou is on drugs. The original NSX was considered a handling monster in it's day. It wasn't crazy fast in a straight line, but it did shine in the corners. The whole reason for going aluminum suspension and body? Oh yeah- to stay lightweight for handling and breaking purposes.
I got into an argument about the nsx vs R32 back in the s2000 thread a long time ago and yeah... it was proven the NSX was able to outhandle the R32 even though it had AWD.
The original was purpose built. No idea what you're talking about. Purpose built with GT comforts (for its time)
Also, no idea what iforyou is talking about, but from what I'm seeing, the gt350R beat the NSX by 0.25 seconds.
10.6 @ 130 for the R8 good lawd that's quick. As it should be with that engine. 123 mph by comparison is quite far away. Give that NSX some basic turbo mods, and it's gonna be running with that R8.
You're ludicrous, right? You just bought a 200k car and you have to mod it to keep up with the competition right off the bat? You do realize that any mod for the nsx will be stupid expensive, right? Super low production numbers plus hey, it's a super car, so immediate parts markup. An exhaust alone will likely be 5k+
QUOTE=srika;15856087]
I reckon they could have, but chose not to. Hard for me to imagine that a company such as Honda is so inept that they cannot outclass a track-prepped Mustang if they really wanted to. I think the Acura brand sells to a certain type of demographic and they are definitely not the buyers who associate an Acura badge with an all-out mid-engined track monster. It seems to be a balance of luxury, performance, and curb appeal and technology. It doesn't REALLY shine in one area but does decent in all and has a "Quiet" mode that allows the owner to drive into his gated community/driveway without disturbing his fellow one-percenters neighbors. The existence of the "Quiet" mode says alot about the targeted clientele for the NSX.
The GT350R is exactly what Ford can and do cater to...those car nuts like us who crave the raw, loud, analogue feel of a track-oriented car without any luxury pretense but also somewhat daily-able. The exterior styling is awesome.
Are the Acura engineers inept? No, I too would say they are not inept. I will say that they decided to take the car in a wrong direction though. They chose electronic technology over performance. Was that the right decision? Well, for many, no. For many, yes. I have no idea what he demographic split on it is, but it's kind of dissapointing from the get go. Once again Acura settled for mediocrity as opposed to being at the forefront. And they could have been at the forefront. A shitty mustang, that even one generation ago, couldn't handle or tackle a track for the life of it. And now it outshines a car that costs 3-4 times more.
Its very easy to tell what markets Acura is catering to and focusing on. Just look at their top sellers.
and, almost nobody who buys the NSX will think it's slow. 123 mph in the 1/4 mile is plenty fast. But I did say almost.
Problem is is they benchmarked the car against models that were outgoing and surly to be improved upon when the new models came out. Case in point the R8. Next up is the GTR. If they only set out to meet or slightly better they failed. They should have set out to set a new set of benchmarks for the others to meet, NOT to have to play catch-up right out of the gates.
Problem is is they benchmarked the car against models that were outgoing and surly to be improved upon when the new models came out. Case in point the R8. Next up is the GTR. If they only set out to meet or slightly better they failed. They should have set out to set a new set of benchmarks for the others to meet, NOT to have to play catch-up right out of the gates.
Don't forget Acura's statements about benchmarking against the Ferrari 458 during development...and then the 488 came out almost a year before the NSX finally hit the market.
Its very easy to tell what markets Acura is catering to and focusing on. Just look at their top sellers.
and, almost nobody who buys the NSX will think it's slow. 123 mph in the 1/4 mile is plenty fast. But I did say almost.
it will be good if they had done 0-150mph test. I am sure NSX will near the top. braking distance also good for NSX. it is not Audi that will fall apart after few years. you can get NSX at base price of $157k. Audi you have to pay $192 as base.
09-20-2016, 01:18 PM
On street tires it was 2 full seconds slower at Laguna Seca than the Audi R8, Basically the exact same lap time as the less powerful rwd 911, Out of 12 cars in contention for best drivers car (not just lap time) it came in 8th, 4 spots behind the Camaro 
Not good, Not good.
But, they did it. Is it perfect, well no.
