Who's into U.S. open wheel racing and which series do you follow ? I love CART, with their turbo charged engines and racing primarily on road courses on several continents. I think the IRL is a joke, minor league engines racing on ovals week after week. Unfortunately they have the Indy 500 and that is the race every sponsor wants their teams at which has created problems for CART. I wish we had one series again.

 

CART! Ovals are for panzies

VS.
Oh and bring back the Mercedes turbocharged engines!!!
They ran ~246+ at Indianapolis in '95-'96!! Team Marlboro had them.

 

CART fo sho IRL and their ovals can kiss my ass

 

Penske knew how to get the most out of them, just like the last 2 Indy 500s. I miss Helio and Gil big time. I was hoping Penske might put 1 car back in CART.

 

Good to see other CART fans Liquid, you know they're gonna run a street race in St. Pete next year !!

 

well i don really have to wait for that cause october 4-6 cart american le mans and trans-am are running here in miami

 

That's right, my bad !! I'm going to Fontana in November. Enjoy the last few races for Honda Turbo engines.

 

oh yea one more thing, Honda Performance Development's formerly-CART-now-IRL facility, is very close to where I live. Unfortunately they don't do tours.


but heres a sip:
http://www.hondaracing.com/hpd/tour.html

 

CART is what I follow for these reasons:

- forced induction
- road courses
- race in Houston that I attend

IRL is open wheel NASCAR

 

Couldn't agree more on the NASCAR comparo. You think they'd get tired of driving in circles.

 

exactly!


CART I dig. But i don't enjoy quite as thoroughly as F1.

On TV it all looks gravy... but

After attending the Montreal Formula 1 Grand Prix this year followed by the CART Molson Indy in Toronto...... their two totally different worlds.

F1 OWNZ LIVE.


Although, CART is quite... umm... pleasent on the ears... hehe... the engines sound weak and tired. Not an incredibly pleasing sound... but very quite in comparison to a screaming F1 car.

We sat front row behind the pits in Toronto... THAT was cool.


Regardless... I do dig CART, wish I had seen Zanardi in person.

In fact, I just got done playing SEGA Flag to Flag racing



Heres some shots from the Molson Indy.





















AND the money shots of Ashley Judd bending over in front of us

 

Haven't been to an F1 race before

Trying to finagle a way to go to the US Grand Prix this year though

When my lotto numbers hit, I am going to follow the series around the globe for an entire season.

 

Robb & I have scheduled Monaco & Montreal next year, come with us

 

 

One series would be NICE!!!!!!

 

 

The real shame here is the bastard that owns the brickyard!!!!! His gay azz needs to be pimp slapped!!!!! It is because of him that the IRL split up!!!!!! I can't think of the Bozo's name right now. him and the indy 500!!!!!!!

 

tony George Aztec. IRL=Indy Retirement League and IMHO, bushleague series. I cannot stand and will not watch the IRL b/c it took the best open wheel series in the US and fractured it at a time when CART was really gaining momentum internationally as well. I've been to Fontana (2x Miller Lite suite next to Penske's); Toronto (dozens); Mid-Ohio; Michigan; a 500 miler at Pocono; and we are going to Montreal in August. I love CART almost one-tenth as much as I LOOOOOOVE F1. WOOooHOoo! Monza here I come (September).

 

my feelings pretty much echo Adam's...

altho I dunno where you were looking, but we did see Zanardi in person....

 

Dude,

CART is dead!! They are losing Honda and Toyota next year. They only have 1 motor. If anything, CART will merge with IRL, otherwise they have no chance to survive. When Hondo and Toyota decided to go to IRL, it was a stake in the heart for CART!

 

naw i know you shot those pics but i think i was being beer boy at the time...

i didnt see em.



and i meant id like to see him race sucka

 

Nice pics Soop. If you think CART engines cound weak at 16-17k revs, you should check out the IRL stock blocks at 10k revs

 

Me either, i've heard the engines are so loud that ear plugs are a must. Revs to almost 20k times 22 cars

 

Indy retirement league, very funny. Yeah, Tony George is a BOZO !! I will not watch either, even if i'm desperate.

 

Zanardi was my favorite, and he was just starting to get it back when the accident happened

 

Don't agree at all !!! The guy who has taken over CART, Chris Pook is an incredible businessman who started the Long Beach Grand Prix. At first he was open to reconcile with the IRL, but now it's war and they have the better format on engines and tracks. Honda and Toyota will be back after they're bored building low tech engines. In the meantime, CART will have Cosworth Turbocharged engines screaming around. Paul Tracy said it best, the IRL is the Indy 500 and a bunch of races nobody goes to. CART will race to over 400k in Mexico City, and they have huge crowds in Australia, Canada, Japan and most tracks in the U.S.

 

more then a must.

if your anywhere close to the race, even with ear plugs F1 cars are deafening (sp?)


not only that, but the field gets soooo spread out that cars are passing you non-stop.


its like a dentist drilling on your teeth for 3 hours non stop.

but its soooooooo cool.

 

Anyome that knows, how does the sound of F1 cars compare to NHRA fuel cars?

I would imagine the fuel cars are louder.

(not making any call as too which is "better", just trying to get a volume comparo)

 

Thanks Chief!!! I have been to Laguna Seca and I am supposed to go to Vancouver this coming weekend, and these races make the Indy 500 VERY BORING!!!! Let's hope that CART can make it somehow!!!

 

THANKS for those pics Astroboy. NICE seeing Zanardi at the track!!! He was my favorite till he went to F1. Then JPM took his place. When he came back, I was happy to see that he still had it!!! That accident was HORRIBLE!!!! I hated seeing it. If there is a way that a man could ever race again after something so horrible, Zanardi would be the man to do it!!!!!

 

Let's hope that Pook can do it!!!! I will watch CART till it dies, and if it does die, I will boycott ALL IRL events!!!! If CART doesn't die, then I will keep going to Laguna Seca and watching EVERY race on TV!!!!!!

 

HEHEHEHEHE

 

I am GUESSING that NHRA cars are louder, but you only have to listen to them 5 seconds at a time. The F1 cars are the SAME noise lever for 3 hours!!!!! Your ears don't get a break, where in NHRA, your ears get a break after every run. Just my guess!!

 

The writing is on the wall. Teams are leaving to go to IRL. Races are being canceled.

"The Championship Auto Racing Teams event scheduled for Sept. 21 at Lausitz, Germany, was canceled Tuesday because organizers could not meet their financial responsibilities."

And Manufactures are moving on too IRL. You can wish and dream all you want, there isn't enough demand for 2 racing leagues!!! Which ever one has the advantage, the other one will go by the way side. The down hill fall has begun for CART...

 

Yeah, that's what I would think.

I like F1 for pure racing, but the NHRA is incredible in person. Stand at the rails at the 1/8 mile (about 100 feet fom the track here in Houston) as the fuel cars go by and it feels like the sound wave is going to knock you down.

NHRA is more like a roller coaster ride, fun purely for the visceral experience.

 

I you analogy!!!!!

 

IRL is much more americanized then the rest... thats why it does well.

Not only that, but because one can sit in the stands and SEE the WHOLE race. Thats why ovals are popular...

street/road courses spectators get very limited action unless you pay BIG BUCKS for the money seats.


that is why IRL is so popular to the average nascar lovin joe.

 

Wrong again, the track in Germany went bankrupt, it had nothing to do with CART. Check the attendance at IRL races before you decide who's going away. Mario Andretti is going to start a team, in CART next year. The teams can go, but the drivers will stay. KOOL Green is rumored to be going, but none of his 3 current drivers are under contract, and none of them want to go to IRL.

 

Soop, it's a perception. No one goes to IRL races. Fontana drew 4500 people last year !!

 

i believe that too.

i have a hard time believing many people would actually follow IRL. nobody cares about it. heh


but at the same time for the average person just wanting to see a local race... you do probably get a little more bang for your buck with IRL assuming it draws in a crowd.

simple fact that ya see more action.



watching cart or F1 on a road course is sorta like watching boxing from top row on the balcony... ya would get a better view on TV.

dont get me wrong, I love watching both live... the people... the sounds... mmmm. but ya really dont get much action.