CART or IRL
07-20-2002, 10:31 PM
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CART or IRL
Who's into U.S. open wheel racing and which series do you follow ? I love CART, with their turbo charged engines and racing primarily on road courses on several continents. I think the IRL is a joke, minor league engines racing on ovals week after week. Unfortunately they have the Indy 500 and that is the race every sponsor wants their teams at which has created problems for CART. I wish we had one series again.
07-20-2002, 10:49 PM
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CART! Ovals are for panzies 
VS.
Oh and bring back the Mercedes turbocharged engines!!!
They ran ~246+ at Indianapolis in '95-'96!! Team Marlboro had them.
Engine Regulations
Type:
3.5-liter V8, 32-valve dual-overhead cam (DOHC),
Normally aspirated
no turbocharger)
Size:
3.5-liter displacement, 213.580 cubic inches
Max. bore diameter 93 millimeters
Four camshafts, four valves per cylinder
Weight:
Minimum weight is 315 pounds. Dry weight - no
headers, clutch, ECU, spark box or filters
RPM:
10,700 maximum (incorporates a rev limiter)
Power:
Estimated 650 horsepower
Fuel:
Methanol
Injectors:
Electronic
Cost:
$95,000
Models:
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Infiniti Indy
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Infiniti Division, Nissan North America, Inc
Type:
3.5-liter V8, 32-valve dual-overhead cam (DOHC),
Normally aspirated
no turbocharger)
Size:
3.5-liter displacement, 213.580 cubic inches
Max. bore diameter 93 millimeters
Four camshafts, four valves per cylinder
Weight:
Minimum weight is 315 pounds. Dry weight - no
headers, clutch, ECU, spark box or filters
RPM:
10,700 maximum (incorporates a rev limiter)
Power:
Estimated 650 horsepower
Fuel:
Methanol
Injectors:
Electronic
Cost:
$95,000
Models:
Chevy Indy V8
Infiniti Indy
Manufacturers:
Chevrolet Division, General Motors Corporation
Infiniti Division, Nissan North America, Inc
Champ Cars use engines provided by Ford, Honda and Toyota. These tiny engines are 2.65-liter overhead-cam turbocharged V-8s producing approximately 900 horsepower at 16,000 rpm. Teams lease their engines from the manufacturers, who maintain them with a team of their own technicians at the track and in their factories. Specific details of the engines are tightly guarded secrets.
They ran ~246+ at Indianapolis in '95-'96!! Team Marlboro had them.
07-20-2002, 11:04 PM
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Originally posted by KavexTrax
CART! Ovals are for panzies
VS.
Oh and bring back the Mercedes turbocharged engines!!!
They ran ~246+ at Indianapolis in '95-'96!! Team Marlboro had them.
CART! Ovals are for panzies
VS.
Oh and bring back the Mercedes turbocharged engines!!!
They ran ~246+ at Indianapolis in '95-'96!! Team Marlboro had them.
07-20-2002, 11:07 PM
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Originally posted by liquid_x
CART fo sho IRL and their ovals can kiss my ass
CART fo sho IRL and their ovals can kiss my ass
Liquid, you know they're gonna run a street race in St. Pete next year !!
07-20-2002, 11:29 PM
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Originally posted by liquid_x
well i don really have to wait for that cause october 4-6 cart american le mans and trans-am are running here in miami
well i don really have to wait for that cause october 4-6 cart american le mans and trans-am are running here in miami
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07-21-2002, 12:05 AM
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oh yea one more thing, Honda Performance Development's formerly-CART-now-IRL facility, is very close to where I live. Unfortunately they don't do tours. 
but heres a sip:
http://www.hondaracing.com/hpd/tour.html
but heres a sip:
http://www.hondaracing.com/hpd/tour.html
07-21-2002, 12:26 AM
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Originally posted by Pull_T
CART is what I follow for these reasons:
- forced induction
- road courses
- race in Houston that I attend
IRL is open wheel NASCAR
CART is what I follow for these reasons:
- forced induction
- road courses
- race in Houston that I attend
IRL is open wheel NASCAR
07-21-2002, 12:37 AM
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Originally posted by Pull_T
IRL is open wheel NASCAR
IRL is open wheel NASCAR
exactly!
CART I dig. But i don't enjoy quite as thoroughly as F1.
On TV it all looks gravy... but
After attending the Montreal Formula 1 Grand Prix this year followed by the CART Molson Indy in Toronto...... their two totally different worlds.
F1 OWNZ LIVE.
Although, CART is quite... umm... pleasent on the ears... hehe... the engines sound weak and tired. Not an incredibly pleasing sound... but very quite in comparison to a screaming F1 car.
We sat front row behind the pits in Toronto... THAT was cool.
Regardless... I do dig CART, wish I had seen Zanardi in person.
In fact, I just got done playing SEGA Flag to Flag racing
Heres some shots from the Molson Indy.
AND the money shots of Ashley Judd bending over in front of us
07-21-2002, 12:47 AM
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Originally posted by soopa
F1 OWNZ LIVE.
F1 OWNZ LIVE.
Trying to finagle a way to go to the US Grand Prix this year though
When my lotto numbers hit, I am going to follow the series around the globe for an entire season.
07-21-2002, 12:51 AM
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Originally posted by Pull_T
Haven't been to an F1 race before
Trying to finagle a way to go to the US Grand Prix this year though
When my lotto numbers hit, I am going to follow the series around the globe for an entire season.
Haven't been to an F1 race before
Trying to finagle a way to go to the US Grand Prix this year though
When my lotto numbers hit, I am going to follow the series around the globe for an entire season.
07-21-2002, 03:34 AM
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Re: CART or IRL
Originally posted by Red Rider
Who's into U.S. open wheel racing and which series do you follow ? I love CART, with their turbo charged engines and racing primarily on road courses on several continents. I think the IRL is a joke, minor league engines racing on ovals week after week. Unfortunately they have the Indy 500 and that is the race every sponsor wants their teams at which has created problems for CART. I wish we had one series again.
Who's into U.S. open wheel racing and which series do you follow ? I love CART, with their turbo charged engines and racing primarily on road courses on several continents. I think the IRL is a joke, minor league engines racing on ovals week after week. Unfortunately they have the Indy 500 and that is the race every sponsor wants their teams at which has created problems for CART. I wish we had one series again.
07-21-2002, 05:58 AM
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tony George Aztec. IRL=Indy Retirement League and IMHO, bushleague series. I cannot stand and will not watch the IRL b/c it took the best open wheel series in the US and fractured it at a time when CART was really gaining momentum internationally as well. I've been to Fontana (2x Miller Lite suite next to Penske's); Toronto (dozens); Mid-Ohio; Michigan; a 500 miler at Pocono; and we are going to Montreal in August. I love CART almost one-tenth as much as I LOOOOOOVE F1. WOOooHOoo! Monza here I come (September).
07-21-2002, 10:24 AM
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Originally posted by soopa
exactly!
CART I dig. But i don't enjoy quite as thoroughly as F1.
On TV it all looks gravy... but
After attending the Montreal Formula 1 Grand Prix this year followed by the CART Molson Indy in Toronto...... their two totally different worlds.
F1 OWNZ LIVE.
Although, CART is quite... umm... pleasent on the ears... hehe... the engines sound weak and tired. Not an incredibly pleasing sound... but very quite in comparison to a screaming F1 car.
We sat front row behind the pits in Toronto... THAT was cool.
Regardless... I do dig CART, wish I had seen Zanardi in person.
exactly!
CART I dig. But i don't enjoy quite as thoroughly as F1.
On TV it all looks gravy... but
After attending the Montreal Formula 1 Grand Prix this year followed by the CART Molson Indy in Toronto...... their two totally different worlds.
F1 OWNZ LIVE.
Although, CART is quite... umm... pleasent on the ears... hehe... the engines sound weak and tired. Not an incredibly pleasing sound... but very quite in comparison to a screaming F1 car.
We sat front row behind the pits in Toronto... THAT was cool.
Regardless... I do dig CART, wish I had seen Zanardi in person.
my feelings pretty much echo Adam's...
altho I dunno where you were looking, but we did see Zanardi in person....
07-21-2002, 10:44 AM
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Re: CART or IRL
Originally posted by Red Rider
Who's into U.S. open wheel racing and which series do you follow ? I love CART, with their turbo charged engines and racing primarily on road courses on several continents. I think the IRL is a joke, minor league engines racing on ovals week after week. Unfortunately they have the Indy 500 and that is the race every sponsor wants their teams at which has created problems for CART. I wish we had one series again.
Who's into U.S. open wheel racing and which series do you follow ? I love CART, with their turbo charged engines and racing primarily on road courses on several continents. I think the IRL is a joke, minor league engines racing on ovals week after week. Unfortunately they have the Indy 500 and that is the race every sponsor wants their teams at which has created problems for CART. I wish we had one series again.
CART is dead!! They are losing Honda and Toyota next year. They only have 1 motor. If anything, CART will merge with IRL, otherwise they have no chance to survive. When Hondo and Toyota decided to go to IRL, it was a stake in the heart for CART!
07-21-2002, 10:49 AM
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Originally posted by Astroboy
altho I dunno where you were looking, but we did see Zanardi in person....
altho I dunno where you were looking, but we did see Zanardi in person....
i didnt see em.
and i meant id like to see him race sucka
07-21-2002, 01:17 PM
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Originally posted by soopa
exactly!
CART I dig. But i don't enjoy quite as thoroughly as F1.
On TV it all looks gravy... but
After attending the Montreal Formula 1 Grand Prix this year followed by the CART Molson Indy in Toronto...... their two totally different worlds.
F1 OWNZ LIVE.
Although, CART is quite... umm... pleasent on the ears... hehe... the engines sound weak and tired. Not an incredibly pleasing sound... but very quite in comparison to a screaming F1 car.
We sat front row behind the pits in Toronto... THAT was cool.
Regardless... I do dig CART, wish I had seen Zanardi in person.
In fact, I just got done playing SEGA Flag to Flag racing
Heres some shots from the Molson Indy.
AND the money shots of Ashley Judd bending over in front of us
exactly!
CART I dig. But i don't enjoy quite as thoroughly as F1.
On TV it all looks gravy... but
After attending the Montreal Formula 1 Grand Prix this year followed by the CART Molson Indy in Toronto...... their two totally different worlds.
F1 OWNZ LIVE.
Although, CART is quite... umm... pleasent on the ears... hehe... the engines sound weak and tired. Not an incredibly pleasing sound... but very quite in comparison to a screaming F1 car.
We sat front row behind the pits in Toronto... THAT was cool.
Regardless... I do dig CART, wish I had seen Zanardi in person.
In fact, I just got done playing SEGA Flag to Flag racing
Heres some shots from the Molson Indy.
AND the money shots of Ashley Judd bending over in front of us
07-21-2002, 01:19 PM
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Originally posted by Pull_T
Haven't been to an F1 race before
Trying to finagle a way to go to the US Grand Prix this year though
When my lotto numbers hit, I am going to follow the series around the globe for an entire season.
Haven't been to an F1 race before
Trying to finagle a way to go to the US Grand Prix this year though
When my lotto numbers hit, I am going to follow the series around the globe for an entire season.
07-21-2002, 01:22 PM
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Originally posted by Chief F1 Fan
tony George Aztec. IRL=Indy Retirement League and IMHO, bushleague series. I cannot stand and will not watch the IRL b/c it took the best open wheel series in the US and fractured it at a time when CART was really gaining momentum internationally as well. I've been to Fontana (2x Miller Lite suite next to Penske's); Toronto (dozens); Mid-Ohio; Michigan; a 500 miler at Pocono; and we are going to Montreal in August. I love CART almost one-tenth as much as I LOOOOOOVE F1. WOOooHOoo! Monza here I come (September).
tony George Aztec. IRL=Indy Retirement League and IMHO, bushleague series. I cannot stand and will not watch the IRL b/c it took the best open wheel series in the US and fractured it at a time when CART was really gaining momentum internationally as well. I've been to Fontana (2x Miller Lite suite next to Penske's); Toronto (dozens); Mid-Ohio; Michigan; a 500 miler at Pocono; and we are going to Montreal in August. I love CART almost one-tenth as much as I LOOOOOOVE F1. WOOooHOoo! Monza here I come (September).
07-21-2002, 01:23 PM
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Originally posted by Astroboy
my feelings pretty much echo Adam's...
altho I dunno where you were looking, but we did see Zanardi in person....
my feelings pretty much echo Adam's...
altho I dunno where you were looking, but we did see Zanardi in person....
07-21-2002, 01:30 PM
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Re: Re: CART or IRL
Originally posted by Rips CL
Dude,
CART is dead!! They are losing Honda and Toyota next year. They only have 1 motor. If anything, CART will merge with IRL, otherwise they have no chance to survive. When Hondo and Toyota decided to go to IRL, it was a stake in the heart for CART!
Dude,
CART is dead!! They are losing Honda and Toyota next year. They only have 1 motor. If anything, CART will merge with IRL, otherwise they have no chance to survive. When Hondo and Toyota decided to go to IRL, it was a stake in the heart for CART!
07-21-2002, 02:12 PM
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Originally posted by Red Rider
Me either, i've heard the engines are so loud that ear plugs are a must. Revs to almost 20k times 22 cars
Me either, i've heard the engines are so loud that ear plugs are a must. Revs to almost 20k times 22 cars
if your anywhere close to the race, even with ear plugs F1 cars are deafening (sp?)
not only that, but the field gets soooo spread out that cars are passing you non-stop.
its like a dentist drilling on your teeth for 3 hours non stop.
but its soooooooo cool.
07-21-2002, 02:22 PM
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Anyome that knows, how does the sound of F1 cars compare to NHRA fuel cars?
I would imagine the fuel cars are louder.
(not making any call as too which is "better", just trying to get a volume comparo)
I would imagine the fuel cars are louder.
(not making any call as too which is "better", just trying to get a volume comparo)
07-21-2002, 02:22 PM
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Originally posted by Chief F1 Fan
tony George Aztec. IRL=Indy Retirement League and IMHO, bushleague series. I cannot stand and will not watch the IRL b/c it took the best open wheel series in the US and fractured it at a time when CART was really gaining momentum internationally as well. I've been to Fontana (2x Miller Lite suite next to Penske's); Toronto (dozens); Mid-Ohio; Michigan; a 500 miler at Pocono; and we are going to Montreal in August. I love CART almost one-tenth as much as I LOOOOOOVE F1. WOOooHOoo! Monza here I come (September).
tony George Aztec. IRL=Indy Retirement League and IMHO, bushleague series. I cannot stand and will not watch the IRL b/c it took the best open wheel series in the US and fractured it at a time when CART was really gaining momentum internationally as well. I've been to Fontana (2x Miller Lite suite next to Penske's); Toronto (dozens); Mid-Ohio; Michigan; a 500 miler at Pocono; and we are going to Montreal in August. I love CART almost one-tenth as much as I LOOOOOOVE F1. WOOooHOoo! Monza here I come (September).
07-21-2002, 02:25 PM
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Originally posted by Astroboy
my feelings pretty much echo Adam's...
altho I dunno where you were looking, but we did see Zanardi in person....
my feelings pretty much echo Adam's...
altho I dunno where you were looking, but we did see Zanardi in person....
07-21-2002, 02:28 PM
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Re: Re: Re: CART or IRL
Originally posted by Red Rider
Don't agree at all !!! The guy who has taken over CART, Chris Pook is an incredible businessman who started the Long Beach Grand Prix. At first he was open to reconcile with the IRL, but now it's war and they have the better format on engines and tracks. Honda and Toyota will be back after they're bored building low tech engines. In the meantime, CART will have Cosworth Turbocharged engines screaming around. Paul Tracy said it best, the IRL is the Indy 500 and a bunch of races nobody goes to. CART will race to over 400k in Mexico City, and they have huge crowds in Australia, Canada, Japan and most tracks in the U.S.
Don't agree at all !!! The guy who has taken over CART, Chris Pook is an incredible businessman who started the Long Beach Grand Prix. At first he was open to reconcile with the IRL, but now it's war and they have the better format on engines and tracks. Honda and Toyota will be back after they're bored building low tech engines. In the meantime, CART will have Cosworth Turbocharged engines screaming around. Paul Tracy said it best, the IRL is the Indy 500 and a bunch of races nobody goes to. CART will race to over 400k in Mexico City, and they have huge crowds in Australia, Canada, Japan and most tracks in the U.S.
07-21-2002, 02:29 PM
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Originally posted by soopa
more then a must.
if your anywhere close to the race, even with ear plugs F1 cars are deafening (sp?)
not only that, but the field gets soooo spread out that cars are passing you non-stop.
its like a dentist drilling on your teeth for 3 hours non stop.
but its soooooooo cool.
more then a must.
if your anywhere close to the race, even with ear plugs F1 cars are deafening (sp?)
not only that, but the field gets soooo spread out that cars are passing you non-stop.
its like a dentist drilling on your teeth for 3 hours non stop.
but its soooooooo cool.
07-21-2002, 02:31 PM
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Originally posted by Pull_T
Anyome that knows, how does the sound of F1 cars compare to NHRA fuel cars?
I would imagine the fuel cars are louder.
(not making any call as too which is "better", just trying to get a volume comparo)
Anyome that knows, how does the sound of F1 cars compare to NHRA fuel cars?
I would imagine the fuel cars are louder.
(not making any call as too which is "better", just trying to get a volume comparo)
07-21-2002, 02:38 PM
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Re: Re: Re: CART or IRL
Originally posted by Red Rider
Don't agree at all !!! The guy who has taken over CART, Chris Pook is an incredible businessman who started the Long Beach Grand Prix. At first he was open to reconcile with the IRL, but now it's war and they have the better format on engines and tracks. Honda and Toyota will be back after they're bored building low tech engines. In the meantime, CART will have Cosworth Turbocharged engines screaming around. Paul Tracy said it best, the IRL is the Indy 500 and a bunch of races nobody goes to. CART will race to over 400k in Mexico City, and they have huge crowds in Australia, Canada, Japan and most tracks in the U.S.
Don't agree at all !!! The guy who has taken over CART, Chris Pook is an incredible businessman who started the Long Beach Grand Prix. At first he was open to reconcile with the IRL, but now it's war and they have the better format on engines and tracks. Honda and Toyota will be back after they're bored building low tech engines. In the meantime, CART will have Cosworth Turbocharged engines screaming around. Paul Tracy said it best, the IRL is the Indy 500 and a bunch of races nobody goes to. CART will race to over 400k in Mexico City, and they have huge crowds in Australia, Canada, Japan and most tracks in the U.S.
"The Championship Auto Racing Teams event scheduled for Sept. 21 at Lausitz, Germany, was canceled Tuesday because organizers could not meet their financial responsibilities."
And Manufactures are moving on too IRL. You can wish and dream all you want, there isn't enough demand for 2 racing leagues!!! Which ever one has the advantage, the other one will go by the way side. The down hill fall has begun for CART...
07-21-2002, 02:41 PM
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Originally posted by AztecRol
I am GUESSING that NHRA cars are louder, but you only have to listen to them 5 seconds at a time. The F1 cars are the SAME noise lever for 3 hours!!!!! Your ears don't get a break, where in NHRA, your ears get a break after every run. Just my guess!!
I am GUESSING that NHRA cars are louder, but you only have to listen to them 5 seconds at a time. The F1 cars are the SAME noise lever for 3 hours!!!!! Your ears don't get a break, where in NHRA, your ears get a break after every run. Just my guess!!
I like F1 for pure racing, but the NHRA is incredible in person. Stand at the rails at the 1/8 mile (about 100 feet fom the track here in Houston) as the fuel cars go by and it feels like the sound wave is going to knock you down.
NHRA is more like a roller coaster ride, fun purely for the visceral experience.
07-21-2002, 02:52 PM
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Yeah, that's what I would think.
I like F1 for pure racing, but the NHRA is incredible in person. Stand at the rails at the 1/8 mile (about 100 feet fom the track here in Houston) as the fuel cars go by and it feels like the sound wave is going to knock you down.
NHRA is more like a roller coaster ride, fun purely for the visceral experience.
Yeah, that's what I would think.
I like F1 for pure racing, but the NHRA is incredible in person. Stand at the rails at the 1/8 mile (about 100 feet fom the track here in Houston) as the fuel cars go by and it feels like the sound wave is going to knock you down.
NHRA is more like a roller coaster ride, fun purely for the visceral experience.
you analogy!!!!!
07-21-2002, 03:17 PM
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IRL is much more americanized then the rest... thats why it does well.
Not only that, but because one can sit in the stands and SEE the WHOLE race. Thats why ovals are popular...
street/road courses spectators get very limited action unless you pay BIG BUCKS for the money seats.
that is why IRL is so popular to the average nascar lovin joe.
Not only that, but because one can sit in the stands and SEE the WHOLE race. Thats why ovals are popular...
street/road courses spectators get very limited action unless you pay BIG BUCKS for the money seats.
that is why IRL is so popular to the average nascar lovin joe.
07-21-2002, 05:15 PM
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Re: Re: Re: Re: CART or IRL
Originally posted by Rips CL
The writing is on the wall. Teams are leaving to go to IRL. Races are being canceled.
"The Championship Auto Racing Teams event scheduled for Sept. 21 at Lausitz, Germany, was canceled Tuesday because organizers could not meet their financial responsibilities."
And Manufactures are moving on too IRL. You can wish and dream all you want, there isn't enough demand for 2 racing leagues!!! Which ever one has the advantage, the other one will go by the way side. The down hill fall has begun for CART...
The writing is on the wall. Teams are leaving to go to IRL. Races are being canceled.
"The Championship Auto Racing Teams event scheduled for Sept. 21 at Lausitz, Germany, was canceled Tuesday because organizers could not meet their financial responsibilities."
And Manufactures are moving on too IRL. You can wish and dream all you want, there isn't enough demand for 2 racing leagues!!! Which ever one has the advantage, the other one will go by the way side. The down hill fall has begun for CART...
07-21-2002, 05:17 PM
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Originally posted by soopa
IRL is much more americanized then the rest... thats why it does well.
Not only that, but because one can sit in the stands and SEE the WHOLE race. Thats why ovals are popular...
street/road courses spectators get very limited action unless you pay BIG BUCKS for the money seats.
that is why IRL is so popular to the average nascar lovin joe.
IRL is much more americanized then the rest... thats why it does well.
Not only that, but because one can sit in the stands and SEE the WHOLE race. Thats why ovals are popular...
street/road courses spectators get very limited action unless you pay BIG BUCKS for the money seats.
that is why IRL is so popular to the average nascar lovin joe.
07-21-2002, 05:33 PM
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i believe that too.
i have a hard time believing many people would actually follow IRL. nobody cares about it. heh
but at the same time for the average person just wanting to see a local race... you do probably get a little more bang for your buck with IRL assuming it draws in a crowd.
simple fact that ya see more action.
watching cart or F1 on a road course is sorta like watching boxing from top row on the balcony... ya would get a better view on TV.
dont get me wrong, I love watching both live... the people... the sounds... mmmm. but ya really dont get much action.
i have a hard time believing many people would actually follow IRL. nobody cares about it. heh
but at the same time for the average person just wanting to see a local race... you do probably get a little more bang for your buck with IRL assuming it draws in a crowd.
simple fact that ya see more action.
watching cart or F1 on a road course is sorta like watching boxing from top row on the balcony... ya would get a better view on TV.
dont get me wrong, I love watching both live... the people... the sounds... mmmm. but ya really dont get much action.