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Old Jan 30, 2009 | 01:55 PM
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Question Gold?

OK, so we have a bunch of money in some investments, but have been seriously considering pulling them out and buying some gold.

Seems like a smart move, no? Now for the dumb part of this topic... how does one buy gold and where does one keep it? It's not like I can walk into the bank and buy gold... right?

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Old Jan 30, 2009 | 02:54 PM
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I was wondering the same thing but with oil futures. If you find out be sure to let us know.
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Old Jan 30, 2009 | 03:08 PM
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^ about the notification on the gold thing.

Oil futures are easy... just use a Commodities Broker.
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Old Jan 30, 2009 | 03:17 PM
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Originally Posted by juniorbean
OK, so we have a bunch of money in some investments, but have been seriously considering pulling them out and buying some gold.

Seems like a smart move, no? ....

TIA

Well, all except for the "Buy Low; Sell High" theory of investment.

Gold is pretty high right now, although it's off it's all time peak from spring 2008. Historically gold has rarely cost more than it does right now today. And all of those times were in 2008.

The question is will it continue to hold that value and/or increase more than other options. History says it is unlikely, but then again a modern global mega-recession was historically pretty unlikely too.

Also if those "other investments" are at or near a bottom, you're might be shooting yourself in the foot twice (once Selling (other stuff) Low than again when you Buy (gold) High).


BTW - I'd think a commodities broker would work for gold as well. If you want he Physical thing, buy Canadian Maple Leafs, Kruggerands or the US version (Liberty or Double Eagles or something; 1oz coins 0.9999 percent pure)

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Old Jan 30, 2009 | 03:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Bearcat94
Well, all except for the "Buy Low; Sell High" theory of investment.

Gold is pretty high right now, although it's off it's all time peak from spring 2008. Historically gold has rarely cost more than it does right now today. And all of those times were in 2008.

The question is will it continue to hold that value and/or increase more than other options. History says it is unlikely, but then again a modern global mega-recession was historically pretty unlikely too.

Also if those "other investments" are at or near a bottom, you're might be shooting yourself in the foot twice (once Selling (other stuff) Low than again when you Buy (gold) High).

...gold had a run-up, true, but it's at a dip right now. Also keep in mind these are unprecedented times. In the history of the USA, there has been NOTHING close to what's happening currently.

If you're asking yourselves the questions that you are stating above, I would highly recommend taking a PERSONAL RISK ASSESSMENT test or questionnaire. Bottom line, everyone is different.

I don't deal in gold directly, but I'll post links where you can call should you decide to take that route. I'll get them up sometime over the weekend......no time right now.
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Old Jan 30, 2009 | 03:31 PM
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^^ That's why I want to buy some oil because I think its pretty low right now. Gold seems a bit high.

Originally Posted by juniorbean
^ about the notification on the gold thing.

Oil futures are easy... just use a Commodities Broker.
So would I just be able to use something like Etrade?
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Old Jan 30, 2009 | 03:40 PM
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Originally Posted by special-ed
...gold had a run-up, true, but it's at a dip right now. Also keep in mind these are unprecedented times. In the history of the USA, there has been NOTHING close to what's happening currently.

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Gold has been climbing slowly but steadily since aorund 2004. Lately it has not had a "run up", it's had a spike. And I wouldn't call $75 off of a $1000 peak a "dip" especially considering that it has been very volatile the past several months.

IOW - might be a good day to speculate, but not necessarily to invest.

At the previous Spike, it dropped back but held most of it's value and then continued to climb slowly, but did not get back to it's Spike price. That leads up to the recent Spike.

EXCEPT for the fact of these "unprecidented times" which I acknowledged in my post. Even then, you might end up worse off than you start (i.e Buy today at ~$925 and get out at less sometime in the future).
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Old Jan 30, 2009 | 04:26 PM
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my mom just bought gold and silver.
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Old Jan 30, 2009 | 04:28 PM
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Sounds to me like the OP is looking for an investment vehicle that will protect him from hyper inflation (gold bullion/coins/whatever) more so than profiting in trading the physical commodity and futures contracts.
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Old Jan 30, 2009 | 06:36 PM
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Old Jan 30, 2009 | 07:01 PM
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Originally Posted by The Dougler
Sounds to me like the OP is looking for an investment vehicle that will protect him from hyper inflation (gold bullion/coins/whatever) more so than profiting in trading the physical commodity and futures contracts.


It's pretty simple to buy and sell...especially in the age of the interweb

http://www.kitco.com/
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Old Jan 30, 2009 | 07:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Bearcat94
Gold has been climbing slowly but steadily since aorund 2004. Lately it has not had a "run up", it's had a spike. And I wouldn't call $75 off of a $1000 peak a "dip" especially considering that it has been very volatile the past several months.

IOW - might be a good day to speculate, but not necessarily to invest.

At the previous Spike, it dropped back but held most of it's value and then continued to climb slowly, but did not get back to it's Spike price. That leads up to the recent Spike.

EXCEPT for the fact of these "unprecidented times" which I acknowledged in my post. Even then, you might end up worse off than you start (i.e Buy today at ~$925 and get out at less sometime in the future).
Like any other investment, that's the risk you take. If you believe in the system that's in place, no problem, keep on doing whatever you doing but what happens if the dollar crashes or significantly devalues? If you like being caught with your pants down, then there's nothing I can say to change your mind otherwise. I don't mind risk losing some dollars if it helps me to sleep better at night.
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Old Jan 30, 2009 | 08:33 PM
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http://www.cash4gold.com/index.html

Who could possibly feel comfortable sending gold in the mail.
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Old Jan 30, 2009 | 08:42 PM
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http://www.cash4gold.com/index.html

Who could possibly feel comfortable sending gold in the mail.

I wonder that same thing every time I see that commercial.
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Old Jan 30, 2009 | 09:25 PM
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in the stock market just do ticker GLD... its an etf (exchange traded fund) for gold.

or if you want a basket of gold miners, GDX.

David Einhorn's greenlight capital ($5 billion hedge fund) recently added both: http://www.marketfolly.com/2009/01/p...-einhorns.html
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Old Jan 30, 2009 | 09:55 PM
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Originally Posted by The Dougler
Sounds to me like the OP is looking for an investment vehicle that will protect him from hyper inflation (gold bullion/coins/whatever) more so than profiting in trading the physical commodity and futures contracts.
This is correct...


Originally Posted by special-ed
Like any other investment, that's the risk you take. If you believe in the system that's in place, no problem, keep on doing whatever you doing but what happens if the dollar crashes or significantly devalues? If you like being caught with your pants down, then there's nothing I can say to change your mind otherwise. I don't mind risk losing some dollars if it helps me to sleep better at night.
... and this is why.
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Old Jan 30, 2009 | 10:07 PM
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I'm investing in SLV i-shares instead because Silver is outperforming Gold and probably will for the foreseeable future. This trend started in early December and is continuing now. SLV ishares are trading at 12.52 today up .26 or 2.12% in -2.28% SP500 day. GLD closed at $91.81 up 1.81 or 2.02% for the day. GLD once again under-performed SLV with today being another example.
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Originally Posted by special-ed
Like any other investment, that's the risk you take. If you believe in the system that's in place, no problem, keep on doing whatever you doing but what happens if the dollar crashes or significantly devalues? If you like being caught with your pants down, then there's nothing I can say to change your mind otherwise. I don't mind risk losing some dollars if it helps me to sleep better at night.
Agreed.

I was thinking from a "traditional" investment stand-point.

As a "hedge" or a kind of personal liquid asset, in these uncertain times, you are correct.
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Old Jan 31, 2009 | 01:19 PM
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Traditional thinking would have you think its a bad time to buy gold. But if things get worse maybe its not too late

I bought mine a few years ago and I sure don't regret it in the least!
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Old Jan 31, 2009 | 01:20 PM
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I'm not completely about how aquiring gold, but depending on how much gold you bought as well as how much they (box) cost, you could always store it in a security/safe box at your bank, right?
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I'm not completely about how aquiring gold, but depending on how much gold you bought as well as how much they (box) cost, you could always store it in a security/safe box at your bank, right?
You could

Or you could build a hardened bunker somewhere safe..
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Or just wear it around your neck, wrists, waist, ankles, etc.
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Originally Posted by LaCostaRacer
I'm investing in SLV i-shares instead because Silver is outperforming Gold and probably will for the foreseeable future. This trend started in early December and is continuing now. SLV ishares are trading at 12.52 today up .26 or 2.12% in -2.28% SP500 day. GLD closed at $91.81 up 1.81 or 2.02% for the day. GLD once again under-performed SLV with today being another example.

In the last 3-4 weeks, I've allocated my discretionary income available for purchase of hard assets almost entirely to silver. Paper assets maybe easier to get in and out of, but I ain't touching em'. But that's just me.
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Old Jan 31, 2009 | 05:13 PM
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Or just wear it around your neck, wrists, waist, ankles, etc.
Thats a better economic policy than what our treasury department has done in the past couple years
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In the last 3-4 weeks, I've allocated my discretionary income available for purchase of hard assets almost entirely to silver. Paper assets maybe easier to get in and out of, but I ain't touching em'. But that's just me.
I own some hard assets too if things get really bad. For Silver, the pre-1965 coin route is a good one to get into- it's 90% pure silver and easily divisible and tradable. Try to use a gold coin or bar, to barter for something in the future- might be a bit difficult like breaking a $100 bill at a lemonade stand.

I bought $1000 face value back in 1994 for around $2800. That investment now is worth around 10K. You essentially get 2 large bags of coins, mostly quarters and dimes.

Here's a link for anyone interested: http://news.silverseek.com/GoldIsMoney/1212338328.php
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I was doing some research to sell some gold when i came across this forum:
http://goldismoney.info/forums/index.php

It got me wanting to dump some $$ into PMs (Precious Metals) but not at this time. I have an 8oz 24k gold chain that i want to sell since gold is so high, and then hopefully buy back some coins/plates when the price drops back down again. I've been watching the gold prices go up from the $700s to about now but never considered buying (up till now).

Buy from here:
http://www.apmex.com/
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Originally Posted by Chr8808
I was doing some research to sell some gold when i came across this forum:
http://goldismoney.info/forums/index.php

It got me wanting to dump some $$ into PMs (Precious Metals) but not at this time. I have an 8oz 24k gold chain that i want to sell since gold is so high, and then hopefully buy back some coins/plates when the price drops back down again. I've been watching the gold prices go up from the $700s to about now but never considered buying (up till now).

Buy from here:
http://www.apmex.com/
don't rule out silver either
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don't rule out silver either

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Eric Sprott, the Canadian money manager who last year predicted banking stocks would collapse, said the U.S. is at the beginning of an economic depression that will help gold prices more than double.

Bullion may top $2,000 an ounce in coming years amid a series of financial catastrophes, the chairman and founder of Toronto-based Sprott Asset Management Inc. said yesterday in an interview. Banks will battle to replenish capital, Treasury auctions stand the risk of failing and the moribund economy will create a dire operating outlook for many companies, he said.

“The trend is down, and there’s not one signpost that says it’s changing yet,” Sprott said yesterday from Toronto. “We’ll stand by to wait to see those, and until it does, you have to assume it gets worse.”

Sprott, who manages $4.5 billion, said in March that the world was in a “systemic financial meltdown,” a call that presaged the collapse of financial institutions including Bear Stearns & Co. and Lehman Brothers Holdings Inc. Since then, the U.S. has entered the worst economic slowdown since the Great Depression, credit markets have tightened and asset prices have dropped as companies and funds sell portfolios to raise cash.....
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?p...d=acQ4RaOnhRK4

^^ I've followed these guys for about six years - they are a boutique shop based out of Toronto. They turned me on to oil before the run up and influenced some of my positioning on a personal basis. I thought they were overly pessimistic about the resiliency of the US economy and even though I was bearish on the economy because of the housing/credit bubble -- in hindsight clearly I wasn't bearish enough!
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y not platinum while ur at it, its almost at the levels as gold is and history has shown at times of recession or depression platinum is hit hard. Mainly because car manufacturers are a big consumer of it, and once things pick back up, it can easily be double the value of gold like it used to be.
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y not platinum while ur at it, its almost at the levels as gold is and history has shown at times of recession or depression platinum is hit hard. Mainly because car manufacturers are a big consumer of it, and once things pick back up, it can easily be double the value of gold like it used to be.
platinum coins don't exist AFAIK.
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Should there ever be a concern that it would be hard to personally sell such a physical commodity at your convenience?
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don't rule out silver either
I just bought some 1oz Silver Coins (American Eagles and Austrlia Silver Dollars -Year of the Pig) and a 10oz brick for $200 .. I got the Pig coin as a keepsake for when my kid was born.

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How is silver doing?
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How is silver doing?

Send him a PM, but he's doing quite well.


http://silverbearcafe.com/
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Who could possibly feel comfortable sending gold in the mail.
LOL... scary town...
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