2016 MMC ILX spied
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My guess is:
2.0L gets axed
There's no point of a 6MT anymore with the 8DCT, so that will get axed too.
Which leaves us with 2.4L 8DCT powertrain.
The question is:
Will the 2.4L carryover from TLX untouched or will it be detuned
Will AWD be announced at launch
2.0L gets axed
There's no point of a 6MT anymore with the 8DCT, so that will get axed too.
Which leaves us with 2.4L 8DCT powertrain.
The question is:
Will the 2.4L carryover from TLX untouched or will it be detuned
Will AWD be announced at launch
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IMO, it's not (necessarily) an 'either or' proposition. They could keep the engine/transmission exactly as in the TLX and have size/refinement be the differentiator without making an all out sport model. The current ILX weighs 2900 lbs but lacks a lot of things like a power passenger seat. They could use the extra power to offset weight gains for better luxury equipment. The way I see it, everyone is always down on Acura for being 'cheap' and the 'cheap' thing to do is to change nothing vs retuning (unless really simple like tuned for regular gas @200 hp).
yes, but de-tuning happens across all of Honda/Acura's line up.
they're all different in hp ratings, type of gas, etc.
if they market it as the new "rsx" with 2.4l 8DCT, it could sell very well.
they're all different in hp ratings, type of gas, etc.
if they market it as the new "rsx" with 2.4l 8DCT, it could sell very well.
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That 2.4L 8DCT combo in an ILX would make it a rocket and approach 0-60 near or under 6 seconds. That type of launch may need the readdition of a limited-slip diff like in the TL Type S back in the day(or like the Civic Si).
There's a chance they will detune. But I'm leaning more towards them leaving the engine combo alone at 206hp like in TLX.
In regards to the ILX encroaching on TLX sales, I dont think it matters anymore. Look at BMW, MB, & Audi. They use the same engine across all their models with the same power ratings. Who cares if it encroaches on a model up, in this cut throat business a sale is a sale as long as it doesnt go to a competitor.
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Maybe "potent new engine" doesn't refer to the TLX's 4 cylinder. Is there that much to gain from the TLX's 4 cylinder over the current 2.4 that they would call it a "potent new engine". Obviously replacing the 2.0 with the TLX's 2.4 makes sense because it's already mated to the 8DCT, but I don't know that it's too exciting of a draw for people who were already looking at the ILX 2.4 6MT.
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I agree with you in terms of the old Honda/Acura. But this new reinvigorated Honda Co seems to be catching onto the trends in the market and that is to use the same powertrain across as many models as possible to decrease costs. The MDX & TLX V6 are the same displacement, HP, and torque. That's NOT how Honda did it in the past.
That 2.4L 8DCT combo in an ILX would make it a rocket and approach 0-60 near or under 6 seconds. That type of launch may need the readdition of a limited-slip diff like in the TL Type S back in the day(or like the Civic Si).
There's a chance they will detune. But I'm leaning more towards them leaving the engine combo alone at 206hp like in TLX.
In regards to the ILX encroaching on TLX sales, I dont think it matters anymore. Look at BMW, MB, & Audi. They use the same engine across all their models with the same power ratings. Who cares if it encroaches on a model up, in this cut throat business a sale is a sale as long as it doesnt go to a competitor.
That 2.4L 8DCT combo in an ILX would make it a rocket and approach 0-60 near or under 6 seconds. That type of launch may need the readdition of a limited-slip diff like in the TL Type S back in the day(or like the Civic Si).
There's a chance they will detune. But I'm leaning more towards them leaving the engine combo alone at 206hp like in TLX.
In regards to the ILX encroaching on TLX sales, I dont think it matters anymore. Look at BMW, MB, & Audi. They use the same engine across all their models with the same power ratings. Who cares if it encroaches on a model up, in this cut throat business a sale is a sale as long as it doesnt go to a competitor.
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I agree with you in terms of the old Honda/Acura. But this new reinvigorated Honda Co seems to be catching onto the trends in the market and that is to use the same powertrain across as many models as possible to decrease costs. The MDX & TLX V6 are the same displacement, HP, and torque. That's NOT how Honda did it in the past.
That 2.4L 8DCT combo in an ILX would make it a rocket and approach 0-60 near or under 6 seconds. That type of launch may need the readdition of a limited-slip diff like in the TL Type S back in the day(or like the Civic Si).
There's a chance they will detune. But I'm leaning more towards them leaving the engine combo alone at 206hp like in TLX.
In regards to the ILX encroaching on TLX sales, I dont think it matters anymore. Look at BMW, MB, & Audi. They use the same engine across all their models with the same power ratings. Who cares if it encroaches on a model up, in this cut throat business a sale is a sale as long as it doesnt go to a competitor.
That 2.4L 8DCT combo in an ILX would make it a rocket and approach 0-60 near or under 6 seconds. That type of launch may need the readdition of a limited-slip diff like in the TL Type S back in the day(or like the Civic Si).
There's a chance they will detune. But I'm leaning more towards them leaving the engine combo alone at 206hp like in TLX.
In regards to the ILX encroaching on TLX sales, I dont think it matters anymore. Look at BMW, MB, & Audi. They use the same engine across all their models with the same power ratings. Who cares if it encroaches on a model up, in this cut throat business a sale is a sale as long as it doesnt go to a competitor.
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The ILX 2.4 uses the engine from the Civic Si, which is more or less the same as the one from the TSX. Doesn't make much sense to be to use the TSX K24.
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Keeping the 'old' TSX motor (ie current 2.4) for the 6MT would be one way around this issue. Or, if the Si were to get the DI 2.4 with the MT then there might be enough volume to justify getting it certified. Or if they moved over the Accord Sport DI + 6MT combo. However, this would do little to reinforce their efforts to provide some separation between the brands.
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If they offer it with a 6MT, I am interested in buying it. Especially if I can get all the other goodies (Nav, dual climate control, etc). No 6MT, no sale.
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The redesigned ILX is probably going to be a temporary fix with some cosmetic changes, new tech. packages and TSX drivetrain. Don't expect something big but hopefully they don't blow it this time.
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I know you guys are all thinking TLX 2.4, but I think it will be brand new engine for ILX (Maybe TLX 2.4 will be used as performance model). My instinct tells me will be 1.5L turbo making similar hp to Audi A3 1.8. Honda's been saying on the record that they will introduce 1.0 Turbo, 1.5 Turbo and 2.0 Turbo. 1.0 Turbo won't make hp that will appease Acura buyers, but I think 1.5 will.
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I know you guys are all thinking TLX 2.4, but I think it will be brand new engine for ILX (Maybe TLX 2.4 will be used as performance model). My instinct tells me will be 1.5L turbo making similar hp to Audi A3 1.8. Honda's been saying on the record that they will introduce 1.0 Turbo, 1.5 Turbo and 2.0 Turbo. 1.0 Turbo won't make hp that will appease Acura buyers, but I think 1.5 will.
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http://www.autonews.com/article/2013...ed-dual-clutch
The 1.5-liter is expected to hit the market in 2016, probably early in the year, and is geared toward North America and Asia, Matsumochi said. Honda is considering use in such vehicles as the Acura ILX and Honda Civic and Accord, but nothing is decided, he said. "It has potential for a wide range of vehicles," he said. The 1.5-liter engine is seen as a replacement for 1.8-liter powerplants. Compared with a 1.8-liter naturally aspirated engine, Honda said, the 1.5-liter turbocharged unit provided 15 percent better fuel economy and 45 percent better torque.
The 1.5-liter is expected to hit the market in 2016, probably early in the year, and is geared toward North America and Asia, Matsumochi said. Honda is considering use in such vehicles as the Acura ILX and Honda Civic and Accord, but nothing is decided, he said. "It has potential for a wide range of vehicles," he said. The 1.5-liter engine is seen as a replacement for 1.8-liter powerplants. Compared with a 1.8-liter naturally aspirated engine, Honda said, the 1.5-liter turbocharged unit provided 15 percent better fuel economy and 45 percent better torque.
