Been shopping for some major appliances for a big renovation. Went to Lowe's and the top of the line Samsung dishwasher: Shop Samsung 48-Decibel Built-In Dishwasher with Hard Food Disposer (Stainless Steel) (Common: 24-in; Actual 24.75-in) ENERGY STAR at Lowes.com

The Samsung rep was there and talked us into buying, I didn't mind because I needed an appliance for free delivery of other stuff anyway. After looking through online reviews though, it seems like it is a HORRIBLE dishwasher (1 star review on Amazon?!)


So I come to my beloved AZ, where have you guys gotten yours? I may start looking at Sears, they seem somewhat solid review-wise.

 

I have that exact dishwasher (it came installed brand new at my new house) honestly it looks nice, but it sucks compared to my old dishwasher, you practically have to pre-wash the dishes if you want stuff to come out clean, and it takes forever to do a load like 3 hours. while it is very quiet i would take my old very loud one over it because it cleaned the dishes much better, and was faster.

 

^that must suck.

going from a high pressure rinse to a rink a dink sprinkle....

 

Yeah it looked GREAT at lowe's! i dug the stainless steel tub and other features but wow those negative reviews are pretty spot on.. I'll just have to return it then.. Some of the Kenmore Elite dishwashers look sort of nice. Thanks for the input!

 

Most dishwashers suck now because of very long cycle times. Thanks Stunna/Al Gore.

You will find complaints about every brand. I have a KitchenAid which is really just a dressed up Whirlpool. It does have an option for a 1hour cycle which actually does a good job. I can't really complain about it's performance. Nice and quiet and the stuff does come out clean.

Now a days it seems if a dishwasher lasts 8 years you did really well. They are just as likely to have a failed circuit board as a leak.

Bosch is supposed to be good but I heard they don't really have a drying cycle?

 

I have a GE profile with food dispenser, auto soap dispensor in all stainless steel including the tub. It was pretty expensive but it's whisper quiet and does a good job cleaning the dishes. A full cycle takes an hour. Highly recommended, but I have no idea what the actual model is.

Similar to this one

GE Profile Top Control Dishwasher in Stainless Steel with Stainless Steel Tub-PDT750SSFSS - The Home Depot

 

Picked up a Kenmore Elite this year to replace our ancient dw.
Love it so far. Biggest issue was one of the plastic clips that hold the top rack tines fell off and landed on the heating element. Melted.

 

I replaced mine this year because the door latch broke and then the heating element crapped out. Lowes is my go to store mostly because I get 5% off with their credit card. We ended up with this one, but paid less than $400.

Shop Whirlpool 53-Decibel Built-In Dishwasher (Monochromatic Stainless Steel) (Common: 24-in; Actual 23.875-in) ENERGY STAR at Lowes.com

To reiterate others complaints, I don't think you are going to find a washer today that will perform the same way they did 10 years ago. They run longer because they use less water and energy. As such, you have to wash them longer, but the net energy is still lower. My first 3 cycles with this one had me seriously concerned and very close to returning it. I don't know if there were some first time gremlins to work out, but everything since then has been fine.

Things I have changed from using my old one:
- I am more cautious to not overload it
- I run the "Heavy" cycle (I think it takes 2 hours, but I use the 4-hour delay feature so that it runs in the middle of the night.)
- I use a rinse aid and the heated dry (We have very hard water, and I had a lot of residue on the first runs. These two things resolved that.)

Honestly, it was the cheapest stainless steel model (the day I was there) that had more than 3 stars and from a reputable brand, so that's why I chose it. Overall, I am happy with it. I would rate it 4.5/5.

 

I have a Kenmore Elite, it was in the house when I bought it. It's decent, does it's job has a bunch of features I never used.

My parents have a Bosch, quiet as hell. That's all I know about it, my parents are hardly home to use a dishwasher.

 

One tip I have that helps. Before you turn it on, run the hot water on the kitchen faucet until the water coming out is hot. These washers only suck in a few gallons of water. If you don't run the facet until it's hot all you will get in the washer is cold water.

 

I do this as well and it definitely helps.

 

You could also put in a small water heater under the kitchen sink.


Edit: That may not be as cheap as I expected.

 

My F&P and I thought other brands use internal heaters to get the water hot if needed.

 

They do. That's what the heating element is for, but that can take extra time away from a potentially short wash cycle. It's probably why mine does much better on the heavy cycle.

OP, I forgot to mention that you should really consider getting a model with an integrated disposer/food grinder. Some models fore go that part to keep the noise down, but their reviews are riddled with complaints about rotten food getting trapped in the bottom of the tub or filter.

 

Mine doesn't have a grinder and I'm surprised by how little I find in the filter. There is usually a film of gunk around the filter but very little bits of food. I guess the detergent disintegrates it. I clean the filter every couple of months.

Still, having the grinder is nice because no filter to check. I'd just assume have one then not.

 

They all do that now to save water. Mine basically filters and recycles the water during the wash cycle to clean everything with less water. So yes it runs longer but uses less water and less energy to do so. I don't really care because I'm not in dire need of a dish that's in the washer. If I am then I can just hand wash it...

Bosch uses high temp water to heat all the shit (mainly the glass) in your dishwasher up and then uses the radiant heat from the stuff to dry the remaining water off. I think it has a fan in there too to help move the air around. My Kitchen Aid does the same thing, works quite well. I don't ever run the heated dry to save on energy costs.

Never had a problem with the filter on mine. The way it was explained to me is that it uses the metal screen of the filter to basically grind the food up using water flow. I only every have small residue to wash out once a month or so. No smell at all.

OP, I have a Kitchen Aid and love it. Got it last year and it has a stainless tub and requires zero pre-rinse. Even has a setting that will clean a glass baking dish (for like lasagna) from completely dirty to completely clean with zero rinsing. Once piece of advice is to not get the third rack. I got it and regret paying more, not worth it. I think mine is rated to 48dB and I'd believe it. I'd highly recommend one without the third rack.

 

Wow,

lots of great information in here.. glad i asked!


Where and which KitchenAid model did you guys get? I'm leaning toward theirs now or the Kenmore Elite / Whirlpool lines.. The food disposer sounds interesting but having come from NO dishwasher, it may be unnecessary. I'll gladly look into it though.


Looks like I may have to increase my budget for dishwasher though..

 

I also have a Whirlpool purchased from Lowes and it has worked great for us thus far. I believe this is the one we have:


Shop Whirlpool Gold 51-Decibel Built-in Dishwasher (Monochromatic Stainless Steel) (Common: 24-in; Actual 23-in) ENERGY STAR at Lowes.com

 

I have this one but didn't pay anywhere close to the MSRP for price:
Shop Online at the Official KitchenAid Page | KitchenAid[KDTE404DSS]-406924/KDTE404DSS/

 

Switch to Miele u wont be dissapointed !
Well its pricey !

 

While we're on the topic, how long do these things last? Mine does not clean dishes like it used to. It's 8 years old now. Leaves food on dishes where before it would wipe them all clean. Is it time to buy a new one or do some kind of maintenance on it?

 

Check the spray arms for clogs. Also check the lines the feed those arms for leaks.
The spray arms can be a pain to clean if they are clogged, maybe just buy new ones.

Also check if it has a filter, maybe you never cleaned it in 8 years

I tend to have bad luck with these things. In my limited experience if you can get 8 years out of it without a problem that's pretty good. If you op to repair it you can probably keep it going quite some time.

BTW mine is KUDE20FBWH, which looks to now be discontinued.

I got a good deal on it from my local dealer. Two mail in rebates FTW.

 

Note to self:

Turn heated dry off..

*Also, I usually run my dishwasher before bed. So by the morning time it's already done.

 

Put 1/2 gallon of White Vinegar in and run a pots & pans cycle.

 

I have no personal experience with a non-disposer (unless my previous one didn't have it???). I was just reiterating reviews I had read which probably only apply to certain models that have nothing to do with either of your experiences.
It is worth a try, but it may be necessary. I never used heated dry prior to my newest machine. We do use Finish detergent to reduce the hard water deposits, but even that wasn't enough to overcome my newest machine's capabilities. I was raised a tree-hugger, but I am willing to realize that technology can be beneficial to the luxuries in life (like spotless glasses).
The acid will break down the lime/calcium/rust deposits that clog fixtures and appliances. I found an old pair of wire cutters half buried in the yard that were rusted shut. I left them in vinegar for two weeks, and they were back to normal.

 

Bosch. Hands down.

 

We had just purchased an lg for around $600. It has a 10 year motor warranty and is quiet as fuck. I can't believe how quiet it is.

 

Don't you ninjas have kids? Best option, plus they clean, mow the grass, iron, etc. Takes a few trial runs to iron out the kinks, like you guys suggested, but high reliability. Maybe a switch replacement now and then.


Right now my dishwasher is mostly for drying duty, air dry, no heat required.

 

Power cord recall on some Bosch dishwashers.
https://boschdishpowercord.com/

 

I really hate dishwashers. I never have luck with them. My Kitchenaid is about 3 years old the top drawer just fell off the rails because a couple of plastic clips failed. I guess the detergent ate the plastic. Pisses me off.

 

Bought a Kenmore Elite 10 years ago for ~$400 on sale (some Kenmore's were subject to a recall for the control panel smoking). Still going strong, gets all the scum off with very little spotting. Pretty quite but not as quiet as Bosch. I never rinse my dishes and run it on the auto-sense cycle with sani-rinse and heated dry, delayed start. Fuck the environment

 

So I looked up the warranty for this thing and the racks are covered for 5 years. So I'll be ringing up customer service tomorrow. The replacements parts are $30 online but apparently there is a new version that has metal clips that I should be able to get from customer service. This video details my failure. Interestingly a year or two later in the comments the guy says that he ended up trashing the machine because it leaked. He replaced it with the cheapest thing he could find. I may do the same if I can't get long life out of this one.

 

Here's a video that shows the metal replacements. Definitely getting these!

 

And it's dead. In the last few years cleaning performance was dropping and the final failure was that it stopped heating water. Maybe the heater slowly died over time? I probably could have fixed it but my wife had enough. I was hoping to get a Bosch or even a Miele but they are almost impossible to find. I went to a Miele official showroom and they told me 2023 for availability.

I always try to support local business for appliances but they had very little to choose from. There was plenty of available LG dishwashers so I bought an LDP6810BD from Best Buy. So far, so good! It cleans much better than the old machine. It's extremely quiet. I only hear it fill, drain and the occasional click as it changes functions. I thought drying would be a problem, since it doesn't heat dry, but so far that has not been an issue.

I'll update when it fails.

 

I got a Bosch early into covid after my Whirlpool that came with the house died. Love that thing. You can't even tell it is on if you are not standing next to it and even then barely. The only time it gets loud is the three times it drains the unit during the cycle. They are definitely on crazy backorders though. I ordered all new kitchen appliances when I did it, the oven took 13months.

 

Our new house has an LG, wouldn't have been my first choice, but it does a good job. Having 3 drawers & the top 2 having some vertical adjustment is nice.
Very quiet, but I could do without the musical tones (LG oven does the same).

 

WTF are you doing to your dishwashers??? Our Kitchenaid is going on 9 years old and still works like a champ. Have you been cleaning the filter out? Do you have super hard water and no water softener?

New house comes with GE profile so we'll see how that goes.

 

Hah. We are also looking for a new dishwasher.

Pretty much everywhere I've looked has Bosch as the top pick and that is what I am leaning towards at the moment. The lady at Lowes recommended Kitchenaid over Bosch for the sole reason that they have a heating coil and Bosch doesn't. However, I heard you should use the heating element sparingly because it can lower the life expectancy... anyways not really taking that into consideration.

 

Our just started grinding a lot and making noise so it's on it's last legs, GE too!

I'm looking at a front controlled one, going to go to a few places tomorrow and see what they have to say.

Best buy shows bosch with heated dry in the filters so not sure if they are correct, or the lowes lady...

 

Apparently there is a difference in how they heat dry.