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Old 06-09-2019, 01:00 AM
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I think Jon Ikeda has a brilliant plan to bring Acura back to its glory days (early 2000s) but because Acuraís never had to develop their own platform or infotainment system it going to take awhile, that why the 2020 2nd gen TLX was delayed and the 2020 4th gen MDX was because if you look at Acuraís release cycle the next gen or refresh MDX is alway releases the year after the RDX next gen or refresh and their car life cycle typically run for 5-6 years (the ilx is the longest generation of a modern Acura)
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Old 06-10-2019, 01:26 PM
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I still don't understand why Acura is spending money developing their own platform when 99% of the buying public doesn't know a thing about what platform underpins what cars. Lexus and Audi are able to reuse their Toyota/VW platforms just fine and they're selling well. The one thing I'll concede is that platform sharing inhibits their ability to build a RWD car or drop in a V8, but it's not like Acura has any plans to do that, and the Honda platforms can be adapted for SH-AWD, so what exactly is there to gain?
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^AFAIK, the new Honda platforms cannot accommodate V6 and SH-AWD. Perfect example is the new RDX.
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Old 06-10-2019, 11:11 PM
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I still don't understand why Acura is spending money developing their own platform when 99% of the buying public doesn't know a thing about what platform underpins what cars. Lexus and Audi are able to reuse their Toyota/VW platforms just fine and they're selling well. The one thing I'll concede is that platform sharing inhibits their ability to build a RWD car or drop in a V8, but it's not like Acura has any plans to do that, and the Honda platforms can be adapted for SH-AWD, so what exactly is there to gain?
Itís probably for the new Acura exclusive twin turbo v6 I donít think any current Honda platform can fit out carry a twin turbo v6. They explain why they changed the original CRV platform for the 3rd gen RDX in the debut at Detroit last year
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Old 06-10-2019, 11:15 PM
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I still don't understand why Acura is spending money developing their own platform when 99% of the buying public doesn't know a thing about what platform underpins what cars. Lexus and Audi are able to reuse their Toyota/VW platforms just fine and they're selling well. The one thing I'll concede is that platform sharing inhibits their ability to build a RWD car or drop in a V8, but it's not like Acura has any plans to do that, and the Honda platforms can be adapted for SH-AWD, so what exactly is there to gain?
Lexus performance cars such as the IS, RC, GS, LC, LS donít share a platform with Toyota models
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Lexus performance cars such as the IS, RC, GS, LC, LS don’t share a platform with Toyota models

Exactly, Audi and Lexus share platforms with their mainstream brands only at the low end of their model range.. the only exceptions are the big and soft Lexus SUVs (RX, GX, LX) which have no sporting pretensions whatsoever and do share their bones with similar Toyota models with the additions of layers of luxury fit and finish, features and better acoustic insulation...in this class of cars sharing it's ok if well done and with enough differentiation.

The sportier and pricier Lexus sedans and coupes do not share any chassis elements with Toyota...only the "senior retirement special" ES shares its platform with the Avalon.
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Old 06-11-2019, 01:53 PM
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Lexus performance cars such as the IS, RC, GS, LC, LS don’t share a platform with Toyota models
Actually, the IS, RC, and GS are based on a revised version of the old N platform, which is used on a few other JDM Toyota models. The next generation of those cars is based on the modular TNGA platform, which is already being used in performance-oriented cars like the Prius, Corolla, and Camry.

Not to mention, those cars also have RWD and (other than the current IS) can be had with a V8, so at least they're getting something out of it that Toyotas generally don't. Can someone point me to a RWD or V8 Acura? I'll believe the V6TT when I see it.
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Originally Posted by 4G-Lover View Post
Exactly, Audi and Lexus share platforms with their mainstream brands only at the low end of their model range.. the only exceptions are the big and soft Lexus SUVs (RX, GX, LX) which have no sporting pretensions whatsoever and do share their bones with similar Toyota models with the additions of layers of luxury fit and finish, features and better acoustic insulation...in this class of cars sharing it's ok if well done and with enough differentiation.

The sportier and pricier Lexus sedans and coupes do not share any chassis elements with Toyota...only the "senior retirement special" ES shares its platform with the Avalon.
That's fair, but as far as I can tell, the TLX has more in common with the ES than it does with the IS and GS, so....
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Originally Posted by 4G-Lover View Post
Exactly, Audi and Lexus share platforms with their mainstream brands only at the low end of their model range.. the only exceptions are the big and soft Lexus SUVs (RX, GX, LX) which have no sporting pretensions whatsoever and do share their bones with similar Toyota models with the additions of layers of luxury fit and finish, features and better acoustic insulation...in this class of cars sharing it's ok if well done and with enough differentiation.

The sportier and pricier Lexus sedans and coupes do not share any chassis elements with Toyota...only the "senior retirement special" ES shares its platform with the Avalon.
I thought the GX was a Highlander and LX was based on a Land Cruiser?
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I thought the GX was a Highlander and LX was based on a Land Cruiser?
RX is a highlander, GX is based on the Land Cruiser Prado.
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Actually, the IS, RC, and GS are based on a revised version of the old N platform, which is used on a few other JDM Toyota models. The next generation of those cars is based on the modular TNGA platform, which is already being used in performance-oriented cars like the Prius, Corolla, and Camry.

Not to mention, those cars also have RWD and (other than the current IS) can be had with a V8, so at least they're getting something out of it that Toyotas generally don't. Can someone point me to a RWD or V8 Acura? I'll believe the V6TT when I see it.
Iím pretty sure certain that parts of the chassis would be changed on the IS, GS, RC, etc of Lexus performance cars than Toyota mainstream Camry or Corolla
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Actually, the IS, RC, and GS are based on a revised version of the old N platform, which is used on a few other JDM Toyota models. The next generation of those cars is based on the modular TNGA platform, which is already being used in performance-oriented cars like the Prius, Corolla, and Camry.

Not to mention, those cars also have RWD and (other than the current IS) can be had with a V8, so at least they're getting something out of it that Toyotas generally don't. Can someone point me to a RWD or V8 Acura? I'll believe the V6TT when I see it.
you should watch this video it explain what the new ďAcura Exclusive PlatformĒ mean
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Actually, the IS, RC, and GS are based on a revised version of the old N platform, which is used on a few other JDM Toyota models. The next generation of those cars is based on the modular TNGA platform, which is already being used in performance-oriented cars like the Prius, Corolla, and Camry.

Not to mention, those cars also have RWD and (other than the current IS) can be had with a V8, so at least they're getting something out of it that Toyotas generally don't. Can someone point me to a RWD or V8 Acura? I'll believe the V6TT when I see it.
Steven Frey Chief Engineer for the RDX basically clarifies what I said previously that current Honda platforms arenít able to accommodate what they have in mine for Acura
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I would not be surprised if all next-gen Acura sedans share a single platform. The volume of individual sedan models sold today don't justify the development cost for unique platforms. Toyota now uses TNGA for it's newest vehicles, there are about five or six variations of the single platform. Lexus appears to be included in this strategy. The IS, GS and RC are based on old platforms and should no longer be used to support the case for unique platforms. The new ES, LS and LC are based on variations of this single platform. SUV's are too. The next IS and RC will either share or get a variation of a single platform. Most are speculating the GS is dead after the current model year.

Platform sharing is no longer taboo. It has as much to do with gaining efficiency in the manufacturing process as the construction of the vehicle.

Personally, I just want Acura to tell us the plan, and am getting tired of waiting. Their sedans are all old. The new ES F Sport is appealing to me. No match for a SH-AWD, but 80% of my driving us up and down the interstate to and from work. I'm not sure I consider it essential. I prefer to buy fifth consecutive Acura and will hang out to September to see the RLX/Legend before making a decision, but between the new Genesis G80 and Lexus, Acura has some serious competition.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toyota...l_Architecture

https://pressroom.toyota.com/tnga/
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I am eager to see the new sedans, but the pending new Genesis G80 is very appealing to me or even a G70.

I am eager to the see the RLX replacement soon and will decide if they are for me. I am less than impressed with the dash on my wife's 19 RDX. Not digging the gauge cluster and the new Navi screen is just not up to par.

Pebble beach will be interesting if the RLX/Legend is shown in near production form.

While I am a sedan guy, looking at the new videos on the 2020 Explorer ST looks enticing. Love the digital gauge cluster not sure I lie the Tesla like tablet infotainment.
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